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S532 Title: Strengthens State's assault weapons ban.

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I wouldn't be surprised. since we all know these crap bills don't actually serve a purpose toward public safety, we can assume they are a sad attempt to push legal gun owners to "give up" on having all the fun tacticool weapons we like. In there eyes all we should need is a rape whistle, so if they chip away at evil eatures features gradually, they believe we will say " oh well i guess we cant own an AR-15"...Guess what, F**ck them, look what they did in NJ with the pistol grip stock ar-15's

 

If we gave up or guns for just 48 hours the police would be the ones blowing the rape whistles the hardest. Can you imagine what kind of criminal amusement park NJ would become? How would they respond to 70,000 burglaries in progress?(and that's just in Newark)

 

With all the budget cuts, and layoffs, you would think the cops would appreciate us a little more as just one more reason they don't have to respond to triple the calls for help.

 

Instead FPIDs take 6 months to forever to get.

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OK, I get the mag limits, because they foolishly believe that mass shooters will adhere to them. But what do they really hope to accomplish by banning cosmetic features?

So they can hold one in front of cameras, call it a "machine gun" and watch the low information votes roll in.

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Seven rounds, highly scientific number reflecting a "safe" number, or just a lucky feeling?

No, I think it's a highly scientific number based on the number of rounds a 1911 holds, so they can claim that they're not doing away with all handguns in common use.

 

It makes no sense attached to an AWB, but I believe that was the intention in the SAFE act. So it became the new magic number they need to meet not to be outdone by their neighbors.

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This is nothing new. The same or a similar bill was introduced last year and wasn't even brought to committee. At this point, it's all political kabuki (I hate that term, BTW, because it makes no sense in this context,) because they know CC will veto. I don't know what the political motive is, especially this late in the legislative calendar. Maybe she wants her name in the local paper. Maybe they have some nefarious strategy to delay putting a bunch of bills on CC's desk, and that's why they delayed the 10 round bill. I have no idea how these morons think.

 

To be honest, I'm glad they're introducing this, because I think the next round of judicial combat is going to have to be about the contours of "common use." In my mind, the one feature line crosses the line, because it pretty much bans every production AR-type rifle out there, and AR is the most popular platform in the country. Sure, you can get around it with one of the new NY-compliant stocks, but that's not the point.

 

One observation I want to add is that, I have to admit, after last year, I have felt like going to Trenton is a waste of time. But I realize a lot of good came of it this year. We got one of the tyrants to put his foot in his mouth by mentioning a magazine exchange, and Collandro gave them a taste of just how expensive that would be. We don't know, but that may be one of the reasons why the bill is on ice. And it have a platform to launch that young girl into the national spotlight, which can only do us good.

 

Last year, we got "confiscate, confiscate, confiscate" on tape, and it's possible that by raising the profile of the committee hearing, we gave Cryan a public forum in which to tell Sweeney to FU when he defected on the "centerpiece bill."

 

Don't give up the fight.

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There is only one solution: vote them out of office. We could do it.

 

I went through the numbers of vulnerable democrat legislators, gun owners, voter participation percentages, margins of victory, etc. It's more than possible. We need a network of election volunteers to work in those "vulnerable" districts. Organization. Ask gun shops to carry literature and remind customers to vote...and urge their spouses to vote. Instead of killing a day going to Trenton, spend that day xeroxing fliers and talking to gun shop management. "If we don't get out the vote you could go out of business" is a pretty good start to a fruitful exchange of ideas.

 

Griping here won't do it. Nor will emailing them or calling their offices, or threatening and lecturing them during public testimony. Tony Colandro is a great guy, but "I will not comply" has two effects: laughter and even firmer resolve to fukc NJ gun owners. Don't be surprised if this proposed legislation wasn't some sort of payback. 

 

Breaking news: THEY DON'T LISTEN and WE ARE A MINORITY in this state. 12% gun ownership rate, one of the lowest in the U.S. Most people in NJ only think about guns when they hear of a shooting. At best they don't give a crap. At worst they probably believe as an educated, "conservative" 50-year-old member of my family recently told me, chuckling, "Don't you think the 'right to carry a gun' is a bit outdated?"

 

If they are not voted out we are definitely screwed in 2017. Every single one of these cockamamie bills will not only pass, but the next governor is 100% certain to sign every one. 10-round mag, 7-round mag, before you know it six-shooters will become assault weapons.

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Ready to leave NJ yet.....?

 

 

This is all inevitable UNLESS they get voted out.. WHICH they won't as gun owners are out numbered as a voting block

 

What does it tell you when some states strengthen gun rights and others weaken them?

 

Does it not make sense to leave the less friendly State to one that is more in line with your thinking?

 

This entire battle in this state is pointless, unless you can win in the courts..... Imo if the scotus does not hear the current case from NJ.. Might as well back it in....

We don't have to be a majority voting block. In a state (scratch that, as a COUNTRY) where voter turn out is laughable, the margin of victory is substantially less than 10%. Obama won 51.1 versus 47.2% against Romney. If every single gun owner came out and voted against the anti gun politicians in Trenton (and we will assume only about 45% typically turn out based on average voter turnouts) that means at least 6% more votes for the pro gun politicians then that is enough to vote out the antis out of office...

 

 

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We don't have to be a majority voting block. In a state (scratch that, as a COUNTRY) where voter turn out is laughable, the margin of victory is substantially less than 10%. Obama won 51.1 versus 47.2% against Romney. If every single gun owner came out and voted against the anti gun politicians in Trenton (and we will assume only about 45% typically turn out based on average voter turnouts) that means at least 6% more votes for the pro gun politicians then that is enough to vote out the antis out of office...

 

 

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Yes, but between apathy and the fact that some gun owners are democrats and gay marriage, food stamps, the environment are more important to some of these people than their 2A rights.

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To prove (or disprove) that NJ 2A community has no serious membership, here is my offer.  I will donate $10 for each member (NJ Resident) who files for CCW permit and join (and stay) in a class action CCW case against NJ. 

 

If 1000 signup, i will donate $10,000.

If 10,000 signup, I will work all year and donate $100,000 .

 

I am serious about this offer.  Any takers ?

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I am hoping that in the mid-terms and in 2016 the issue of guns will be as decisive as it was in 1994.  If it is we'll see massive change for the better.  If we don't see that sort of voter turnout, then 2A probably is toast not just here but nationwide.

 

Given the brouhaha over the past 18 months, you'd have to be living under a rock to not know which party is anti-2A.

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Yup, I'll do it--right after you do

 

 

To prove (or disprove) that NJ 2A community has no serious membership, here is my offer.  I will donate $10 for each member (NJ Resident) who files for CCW permit and join (and stay) in a class action CCW case against NJ. 

 

If 1000 signup, i will donate $10,000.

If 10,000 signup, I will work all year and donate $100,000 .

 

I am serious about this offer.  Any takers ?

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If 100% of the 12% (ie the gun owners) would for once just a) get on the same page and b] get out and actually vote they would be a significant majority.

 

Primaries in this state are determined by less than 1% of the eligible voters.

It is true not all of the 12% are voting, but it is also true not all of the 12% are voting the way you think they would. At least one moderator on this forum voted for Obama. I think plenty of our membership is voting against our cause. And I think more of the gun owners at large are doing the same.

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