Newtonian 453 Posted February 19, 2017 When did Almeida write that? He has acknowledged to me personally that his case might have been construed as, and achieved nothing more than strengthening JN. I've been hard on him and on that point but there's no doubt he's an honorable man. He brings up a point, however, about numbers. He cites 1.7 million FID holders in the state. Others say 1.2 or 1.0 million. Folks nobody in this state gives a crap about our gun rights (and their own) except for gun owners themselves. This is not WV or PENN or AZ. We have a negative gun culture in NJ. The average person, D and R, thinks guns are horrible. I know plenty of folks who vote Republican who would be aghast at CC in this state. We can wait until this Hudson bill percolates through, the challenges, the literal shit-storm of lies and scare tactics by the national and local media that is going to occur. That's a 100% certainty. This bill will go down as another characterization of the current climate as the equivalent of Nazism. The reaction will be INSANE. Only 3 states don't have shall-issue CC and only 4 others limit it in some way, but wait till this passes. That is why the only way to send a real message is to begin un-electing vulnerable state assembly-critters and senate-critters. I don't think many of you need convincing that NRA, NJARPC, etc. are more or less tits on a bull when it comes to NJ gun rights. 1) Start a protest by not renewing your NRA membership and include a note in the SASE telling them why. You'll still have all your certifications, certificates, signet rings, $2 complimentary pocket knives, and funny three-cornered hats. They don't give a crap about us. Why give them money to convince the Utah legislature to allow howitzers at girl scout picnics on Sundays in church parking lots? 2) Stop listening to our pro-2A organizations NOW. Nothing but failure from them. Stop the silly whiny emails to Loretta Weinberg. News flash: She's not reading them. 3) Plan to tap into those 1.0, 1.2, 1.7 whatever million voters by using them to replace two or three vulnerable legislators with pro-2A people. I've set the numbers out in excruciating detail on numerous occasions. 4) Buy stock in adult diaper manufacturing companies. Nothing scares these worthless parasitic vermin turds more than losing their cushy jobs. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parker 213 Posted February 19, 2017 "Folks nobody in this state gives a crap about our gun rights (and their own) except for gun owners themselves. This is not WV or PENN or AZ. We have a negative gun culture in NJ. The average person, D and R, thinks guns are horrible. I know plenty of folks who vote Republican who would be aghast at CC in this state." True! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 19, 2017 That culture is changing. New ranges? Who would have thought. Women n taking a huge market share. National Reciprocity bill. NH going constitutional..... etc. Changing gun culture in NJ starts with each one of us talking to our friends and associates. Changing the prejudices that we are hillbillies or gangbangers. And SUPPORT your 2a groups! Only in this state is everybody an expert. If all these tribes could come together and coordinate, we could actually storm the castle! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Willett 70 Posted February 19, 2017 When did Almeida write that? He has acknowledged to me personally that his case might have been construed as, and achieved nothing more than strengthening JN. I've been hard on him and on that point but there's no doubt he's an honorable man. 1) Start a protest by not renewing your NRA membership and include a note in the SASE telling them why. You'll still have all your certifications, certificates, signet rings, $2 complimentary pocket knives, and funny three-cornered hats. They don't give a crap about us. Why give them money to convince the Utah legislature to allow howitzers at girl scout picnics on Sundays in church parking lots? 2) Stop listening to our pro-2A organizations NOW. Nothing but failure from them. Stop the silly whiny emails to Loretta Weinberg. News flash: She's not reading them. 3) Plan to tap into those 1.0, 1.2, 1.7 whatever million voters by using them to replace two or three vulnerable legislators with pro-2A people. I've set the numbers out in excruciating detail on numerous occasions. 4) Buy stock in adult diaper manufacturing companies. Nothing scares these worthless parasitic vermin turds more than losing their cushy jobs. Honorable people don't take money under false pretenses. So we should abandon all the 2A groups, but then, somehow, formulate and execute a strategy to influence the votes of a million people or more. I'm been somewhat disillusioned with "orgs" for the past couple years, but this doesn't make any sense. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matroskin 29 Posted February 19, 2017 Zeke, you are touching interesting point. I work in corporate sales in NYC/NJ area. 5 - 7 years ago engineers that I was working with where interested in playing golf, tasting expensive wine and sugar. Nowadays at least 50% of hobby related conversations are related to guns, hunting, mud races and other physicaly challenging outdoor activities. It may be the age of the people but I also see much more liberals so it looks like IT society is splitting and becoming much less uniform. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 19, 2017 Honorable people don't take money under false pretenses. So we should abandon all the 2A groups, but then, somehow, formulate and execute a strategy to influence the votes of a million people or more. I'm been somewhat disillusioned with "orgs" for the past couple years, but this doesn't make any sense. This is his talking point/strategy since I've been here. Cmon guys follow me, we are going streaking! It's gonna be greathttps://youtu.be/20g3QIUnOgY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 19, 2017 Zeke, you are touching interesting point. I work in corporate sales in NYC/NJ area. 5 - 7 years ago engineers that I was working with where interested in playing golf, tasting expensive wine and sugar. Nowadays at least 50% of hobby related conversations are related to guns, hunting, mud races and other physicaly challenging outdoor activities. It may be the age of the people but I also see much more liberals so it looks like IT society is splitting and becoming much less uniform. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk Nj/ Ny make it hard for purchase but not impossible. I think that's a planned deterrent.Obama was the best salesman ever! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Willett 70 Posted February 19, 2017 That culture is changing. New ranges? Who would have thought. Women n taking a huge market share. National Reciprocity bill. NH going constitutional..... etc. Changing gun culture in NJ starts with each one of us talking to our friends and associates. Changing the prejudices that we are hillbillies or gangbangers. Zeke, you are touching interesting point. I work in corporate sales in NYC/NJ area. 5 - 7 years ago engineers that I was working with where interested in playing golf, tasting expensive wine and sugar. Nowadays at least 50% of hobby related conversations are related to guns, hunting, mud races and other physicaly challenging outdoor activities. It may be the age of the people but I also see much more liberals so it looks like IT society is splitting and becoming much less uniform. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk I have to agree, growing the number of people engaged in shooting is the most important long term goal, IMO. And we are watching it happen. (Thanks in part to some people engaged in this kind of outreach, and in part because shooting is fun in and of itself) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matroskin 29 Posted February 19, 2017 Nj/ Ny make it hard for purchase but not impossible. I think that's a planned deterrent. Obama was the best salesman ever! That's right, my guy's call it Obama package: ar15+handgun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,134 Posted February 19, 2017 Somehow I think a democrat Assembly, Senate and Gov may have a different outlook on our gun culture than some folk here. This and only this is what they see: http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.anjrpc.org/resource/resmgr/ds-email/gun_control_list_03-22-13.pdf 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 19, 2017 Somehow I think a democrat Assembly, Senate and Gov may have a different outlook on our gun culture than some folk here. This and only this is what they see: http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.anjrpc.org/resource/resmgr/ds-email/gun_control_list_03-22-13.pdfVote bro.Organize Fight Teach We are American Citizens regardless of our ZipCode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer 241 Posted February 20, 2017 Somehow I think a democrat Assembly, Senate and Gov may have a different outlook on our gun culture than some folk here. This and only this is what they see: http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.anjrpc.org/resource/resmgr/ds-email/gun_control_list_03-22-13.pdfThey see a campaign donation check from Bloomberg. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites