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I've never tried it, but the bumpfire stocks are awesome. This can't be as good.

 

I was thinking in terms of stability...  I've never personally tried bumpfire so I mean I could be wrong, but isn't it a bit hard to keep the weapon on target when the whole thing is shaking around like that?  I always thought bump fire was just simply for dumping mags for fun.  This seemed like it'd be far more stable, eh?

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I was thinking in terms of stability...  I've never personally tried bumpfire so I mean I could be wrong, but isn't it a bit hard to keep the weapon on target when the whole thing is shaking around like that?  I always thought bump fire was just simply for dumping mags for fun.  This seemed like it'd be far more stable, eh?

For an amateur, I think the bumpfire stocks are actually easier to get a smaller cone of fire on target. I was stunned. If you know what you are doing, real full auto is better and more accurate. I'm talking from a shooting up targets standpoint, not going to war or anything. You'd have to be nuts to use one of them for real.

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This looks extremely dangerous, you can never fire only 1 round, always have to fire 2. What If you forget and release the trigger when not on target. When you train for trigger control how often do you think about if its safe to release the trigger?

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This looks extremely dangerous, you can never fire only 1 round, always have to fire 2. What If you forget and release the trigger when not on target. When you train for trigger control how often do you think about if its safe to release the trigger?

If you're finger's on the trigger, it should be pointed in a safe direction.

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This looks extremely dangerous, you can never fire only 1 round, always have to fire 2. What If you forget and release the trigger when not on target. When you train for trigger control how often do you think about if its safe to release the trigger?

 

it says on their website that while the trigger is depressed, you can switch the selector back to normal semi-auto mode and release without firing.

 

definitely sounds dangerous as hell.

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If you're finger's on the trigger, it should be pointed in a safe direction.

I didn't say unsafe direction, i said not on target. Your muzzle can be pointing in a safe direction and not be on target. But that's not the point, when does anyone think about if its safe to RELEASE the trigger?

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I didn't say unsafe direction, i said not on target. Your muzzle can be pointing in a safe direction and not be on target. But that's not the point, when does anyone think about if its safe to RELEASE the trigger?

Well I mean as far as I know this is a first-of-it's-kind type of trigger so of coarse nobody really thinks about it...I do get what you mean, though.  But if you put one of these on your rifle I'd hope you'd be aware of it.  lol

 

And I agree, Chris... Dangerous as hell?  I'll take 2!

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Years ago, they had a mod for the mini 14, same deal, fire on pull as well as release! I bought one and put in in, it scared the shit out of me so I pulled it out and trashed it!!!! Just not safe IMHO!!!!

BTW, no option to not fire the second round on that one!!

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Years ago, they had a mod for the mini 14, same deal, fire on pull as well as release! I bought one and put in in, it scared the shit out of me so I pulled it out and trashed it!!!! Just not safe IMHO!!!!

BTW, no option to not fire the second round on that one!!

Yeah I was actually planning this tax season to buy a M&P-15/22 and fit a bumpfire stock on it...  But I'd much rather have this if I can get it.  What made you feel unsafe about it?  Just the pseudo-auto or was there something in particular?  I *really* want this trigger lol

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Yeah I was actually planning this tax season to buy a M&P-15/22 and fit a bumpfire stock on it...  But I'd much rather have this if I can get it.  What made you feel unsafe about it?  Just the pseudo-auto or was there something in particular?  I *really* want this trigger lol

I believe the bump fire stock is not legal in the PRNJ! Since the stock is able to move, even slightly!!! Besides, which range in NJ will allow such rapid fire??? I doubt any!!

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I believe the bump fire stock is not legal in the PRNJ! Since the stock is able to move, even slightly!!! Besides, which range in NJ will allow such rapid fire??? I doubt any!!

 

This is precisely why I was going with a .22 LOL!  It's relatively quiet compared to larger rounds.  I generally only shoot at USANA or R-14, and USANA during the week there's usually nobody else around so I doubt shooting a .22 with a bumpfire would bother anyone.  If someone complains about it there I can always just save it for my trips to my buddy's farm out in west-ish PA.  

 

And ya know I never thought about the bumpfire stock not being NJ legal because it moves...  Damnit!  Now I HAVE to get this trigger!  lol

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Well if that's their literal definition then it's a perfect gray area.  Technically, it does require the trigger to be "pressed" for each shot... It just so happens the "releasing" press is done by a spring in the trigger mechanism.  :)  Counting this trigger under the category of "more than one shot per press of the trigger" would require an explicit interpretation of the word "pressed" to mean something other than "To be acted upon by a steady force or weight".  That happens in BOTH directions of the trigger.  So, as of right now...  It should be NJ-compliant.  I'm willing to take my chances if I can get my hands on this thing.  :)

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 I will never understand the dumbassery of "rapid fire" widgets like bump fire stocks and this inbred contraption. Just shoot faster, you will be shocked how fast you can shoot a good trigger with far more control by actually practicing.

 

This thing in particular is completely idiotic. I so want a gun that fires by itself if I let go of it for whatever accidental reason after the trigger was pressed. Oh wait .. no .. the opposite of that.

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 I will never understand the dumbassery of "rapid fire" widgets like bump fire stocks and this inbred contraption. Just shoot faster, you will be shocked how fast you can shoot a good trigger with far more control by actually practicing.

 

This thing in particular is completely idiotic. I so want a gun that fires by itself if I let go of it for whatever accidental reason after the trigger was pressed. Oh wait .. no .. the opposite of that.

 

Dude that's the same thing as saying, "I so want a gun that fires by itself if I accidentally pull the trigger"...  If you have this trigger on your firearm, then you KNOW it's going to fire on both actions of the trigger.  A couple people have said this, and I really don't get it: Who holds the trigger down after the shot, then moves the muzzle in another direction before releasing the trigger?  

 

And in any case it comes with a selector, so what's the difference between this and a 3-round burst?  If you pull the trigger on a 3-round burst there's 3 shots coming out nomatter what you do...  Ya gonna say, "Well what if after the first 2 of the burst my muzzle isn't pointed in a safe direction and I don't want the third round to come?"  Who does that?  lol...

 

I'm with ya on bumpfires - I wanna put one on a .22 just for shits and giggles and fucking around, it's a pretty unstable thing imho.  I'd never put it on anything bigger.  THIS trigger, though, I'd put on anything...  And want to :)

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 Who holds the trigger down after the shot, then moves the muzzle in another direction before releasing the trigger?  

 

 

Anyone who knows how to follow through and ride the reset.

 

That isn't really the point though, because manipulating the safety leaver while holding down the trigger is a stupid thing to do as well.

 

You can feel free to buy whatever silly gear you want, but to me just watching that video made me feel like everyone should have been wearing big red noses. The "staff" at this outfit has mostly terrible stance, can't control the recoil of an AR, and everyone single one of them goes full retard with the forward grip. To say nothing of their music ... I'm not sure they are even qualified to understand why their own product is a terrible idea, I get the feeling there was a lot of Bevis and Butthead laughter around the office when they came up with that idea.

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In the video the first 1/3 is their staff, then the first timers.

 

ATF issue aside, that also kinda breaks one of the basic rules of guns safety, keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire. After the first shot, that gets complicated.

 

So, generally, what would you say the difference is between this and your standard 3-round burst trigger?  I'm kinda curious about what makes you so passionately opposed to this trigger...

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I don't know that I passionately oppose these few bits of metal, however feel that it is a product unsafe by design, a probably the worst implemented attempt I've seen so far to work around the full auto legal issues.

 

Personally I couldn't care less about full auto of 3 shot bursts, I've shot them and I can consistently get more rounds on target faster with a good match trigger, certainly beyond 50 yards. I'm sure that there are people there that are very good at controlling them because they have more practice and such, but ultimately I think they are a waste of ammo. I don't think they should be illegal, but I have no use for one. I fully admit that other people could see a lot of value in the feature, just not me.

 

That said, the various workarounds like the bumpfire stocks and this thing, are all far worst solution to a non-existent problem. To answer your question, the primary difference that with a 3rd burst you commit to the action, and 3 rounds are gun before you can really change your mind following a single action on your part. With this thing, you commit to the action, and now you have to make explicit effort to NOT fire again. It isn't as simple as even a fully auto setup where relaxing your hand stops the process, in this case relaxing your hand makes a round fire.

 

Its just dumb.

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This is precisely why I was going with a .22 LOL!  It's relatively quiet compared to larger rounds.  I generally only shoot at USANA or R-14, and USANA during the week there's usually nobody else around so I doubt shooting a .22 with a bumpfire would bother anyone.  If someone complains about it there I can always just save it for my trips to my buddy's farm out in west-ish PA.  

 

Johnny will still know. Even if he isn't working that day, he will call up from home and report he hears rapid fire on the range. lol.

 

All jokes aside, even though he will yell at you over the loudspeaker for so much as lifting a leg over the staging line to fart during a cease fire, he is a nice guy.

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