PSUPilot 0 Posted April 21, 2016 Hi all. New to the forum and a new (personal) gun owner. I have a few questions for all of you. I am a NJ resident for mail, taxes, etc. I have an apartment in Philly, as I work out of there. I recently got my NJ Firearms ID card, and the handgun purchase permit, and yesterday bought a Sig P226. (I have a HK also, but that is a separate fed issue and does not have anything to do with the state of NJ). 1) Am I able to take my gun to my place of residence in PA? Do I need to do ANYTHING with the state of PA to make it legal to bring my gun across the border from NJ? 2) Is there anyway to get a CCW in the state of PA these days? I was reading about the FL/UT loopholes, but it appears the liberal Attorney General in PA has made up her own laws to end this. 3) I thought about applying for the FL permit, as it seems relatively straight-forward. Has anyone done this recently, and can I still do it through mail as a non-resident of Florida? I'm sure I'll have more questions, but this is a start. Thanks for the insight! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeteF 1,044 Posted April 21, 2016 You didn't specify, so. Are any of your mags capable of holding 16 rounds? If so, leave them in Pa. I see no reason that a properly transported firearm should be an issue between Nj and Pa. Use FOPA rules. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted April 21, 2016 PA's handgun transport laws are essentially the same as NJ's in that you are only allowed to transport to a few exempted locations (range, home, FFL, etc). However, if you have a license/permit to carry from any state, then you can transport without restriction (except specified restrictions like school property). I'm sure mipafox will chime in if I got that wrong. Adios, Pizza Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brucin 923 Posted April 21, 2016 If you use your PA address and transfer your drivers license to PA you can get you PALTC. That's the only way since you don't already have a permit from the state you reside in. I would just make PA my residence I really don't see the downside to that. As for bringing you handgun to PA there are some weird transport like NJ (home,range, that sort of thing) but they don't apply if you have a CCW from another state be it resident or non-resident. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted April 25, 2016 If you use your PA address and transfer your drivers license to PA you can get you PALTC. That's the only way since you don't already have a permit from the state you reside in. I would just make PA my residence I really don't see the downside to that. As for bringing you handgun to PA there are some weird transport like NJ (home,range, that sort of thing) but they don't apply if you have a CCW from another state be it resident or non-resident. +1 If for some reason you can't make PA your home state yes you can get Florida CCW as non-resident by mail. Non-Resident Florida CCW counts as any state carry permit in PA which will allow you to transport in your vehicle in PA including carrying on your person. Once you exit vehicle you would need to open carry. This does not apply in Philly. Do not attempt to carry in Philly. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted April 25, 2016 +1 If for some reason you can't make PA your home state yes you can get Florida CCW as non-resident by mail. Non-Resident Florida CCW counts as any state carry permit in PA which will allow you to transport in your vehicle in PA including carrying on your person. Once you exit vehicle you would need to open carry. This does not apply in Philly. Do not attempt to carry in Philly. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk No, Not anymore. FL and UT non-resident permits are not recognized in PA as of last year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted April 25, 2016 No, Not anymore. FL and UT non-resident permits are not recognized in PA as of last year.They are not recognized for concealed carry; I didn't mention that. Any other state permit is recognized for vehicle transport carry. Any U.S. Citizen over age 21 not restricted to own firearms can open carry in PA. This has been thoroughly discussed on PAFOA Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted April 25, 2016 Any U.S. Citizen over age 21 not restricted to own firearms can open carry in PA. Except in cities of the first class. AKA: Philadelphia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted April 26, 2016 Except in cities of the first class. AKA: PhiladelphiaCorrect which is currently only Philly. That's why I said don't carry in Philly. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ricky_Bobby 130 Posted April 27, 2016 They are not recognized for concealed carry; I didn't mention that. Any other state permit is recognized for vehicle transport carry. Any U.S. Citizen over age 21 not restricted to own firearms can open carry in PA. This has been thoroughly discussed on PAFOA ^^This I did not know but it is good to know as a NJ resident approx 40 mins from PA - I am getting my non-res Florida CCW for non-PA use (family and friends in NC and we visit down there quite often) - but nice to know if we go to the mountains or visit my buddies cabin that OC is not a problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boo 6 Posted April 27, 2016 I hate to complicate things but you also can't OC without an ltcf if within 1000 ft of school zone (you'd be surprised how many school zones there might be in a given town) or if the governor has declared a state of emergency. For the latter, go to pema.pa.gov and look under Governors Proclamations. I mention this because a state of emergency was declared due to an impending snow storm in January, but not formally lifted until late March. OC without an ltcf during that entire time was illegal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boo 6 Posted April 27, 2016 Actually, reading OPs situation, I think it's debatable as to whether he can use a UT or FL permit for car carry. He'd have to argue that he isn't a PA resident despite having his name on a PA lease. Conversely, I wonder if that lease would be enough to get him a PA resident ltcf. I think it's enough for him to buy handguns in PA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted April 27, 2016 ^^This I did not know but it is good to know as a NJ resident approx 40 mins from PA - I am getting my non-res Florida CCW for non-PA use (family and friends in NC and we visit down there quite often) - but nice to know if we go to the mountains or visit my buddies cabin that OC is not a problem.You need the Florida Carry Permit or any carry permit for that matter in PA to transport in the car on your person. You can transport open or concealed. Just when you get out of car it has to be OC. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
varna 9 Posted April 28, 2016 You need the Florida Carry Permit or any carry permit for that matter in PA to transport in the car on your person. You can transport open or concealed. Just when you get out of car it has to be OC. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk I didn't know this either. So, if I'm traveling in my motor home through PA and stop to overnight in a public parking lot, I can have my handgun with me, loaded and if I OC I can walk around outside my motor home? I do have my FL non-resident permit. Well...........I'll have to check on Michigan.......I know they don't honor FL non-resident CCW just like PA but not sure of having it in my motor home while traveling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ricky_Bobby 130 Posted April 28, 2016 You need the Florida Carry Permit or any carry permit for that matter in PA to transport in the car on your person. You can transport open or concealed. Just when you get out of car it has to be OC. Good to know, thank you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekend_junkie 129 Posted April 28, 2016 Actually, reading OPs situation, I think it's debatable as to whether he can use a UT or FL permit for car carry. He'd have to argue that he isn't a PA resident despite having his name on a PA lease. Conversely, I wonder if that lease would be enough to get him a PA resident ltcf. I think it's enough for him to buy handguns in PA.Ive been down this path. In short, he would need a state issued photo ID confirming his residence in PA. That's either a drivers license or a non-driver ID. Subsequent to the Real ID Act, he would have to surrender his NJ license to get either in PA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted April 29, 2016 I didn't know this either. So, if I'm traveling in my motor home through PA and stop to overnight in a public parking lot, I can have my handgun with me, loaded and if I OC I can walk around outside my motor home? I do have my FL non-resident permit. Well...........I'll have to check on Michigan.......I know they don't honor FL non-resident CCW just like PA but not sure of having it in my motor home while traveling.In PA that is correct as long as you are not in Philly and the Open Carry is not in a restricted area. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted April 29, 2016 Ive been down this path. In short, he would need a state issued photo ID confirming his residence in PA. That's either a drivers license or a non-driver ID. Subsequent to the Real ID Act, he would have to surrender his NJ license to get either in PA.Yes he would need a PA Drivers License to be considered a PA Resident or at the bare minimum he filed his taxes as a PA Resident. In which case problem solved get a PA Carry Permit. You can't be a resident of 2 States so a NJ Drivers License with Residence in NJ makes you a NJ Resident. There are restrictions on Open Carry other than just not in Philly such as not in school, state park, federal facility, adult or juvenile detention center. Now an oddity to PA Carry laws is PA Residents must have a PA carry permit to transport a loaded handgun on their person. An out of state license does not qualify for PA Residents for car carry. Also it isn't just car carry it is any mode of transportation including a bicycle. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekend_junkie 129 Posted April 29, 2016 Now an oddity to PA Carry laws is PA Residents must have a PA carry permit to transport a loaded handgun on their person. An out of state license does not qualify for PA Residents for car carry. Also it isn't just car carry it is any mode of transportation including a bicycle. That's news to me. Are you saying my TX CHL won't permit to carry concealed while driving? If so, where in the law is this specified? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted April 29, 2016 That's news to me. Are you saying my TX CHL won't permit to carry concealed while driving? If so, where in the law is this specified?It is case law and only applies to PA Residents. PA Residents must have PA Carry License. http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/10/pa_residents_must_have_pa_perm.html Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites