What is a Bullpup?

[AlDente67 563]

I was reading a recent issue of Rifleman and came across several mentions of this.  To me, it seems the same as a pistol-caliber carbine, or maybe a really short AR variant.

 

Is there a difference?

[PD2K 115]

Maybe not be the technical definition, but a Bullpup has the action in the back behind trigger so to lessen recoil.

[High Exposure 5,664]

Lessening recoil is not the primary reason for the design.

 

The action goes behind the trigger to reduce overall length while retaining the ballistics of a full length barrel.

[Screwball 483]

Lessening recoil is not the primary reason for the design.

 

The action goes behind the trigger to reduce overall length while retaining the ballistics of a full length barrel.

That is correct.

 

If you go into the books on M1903s, there were bullpup variations of the rifle in the inter-war years. Think it was Patton that had a hand in it.

[AlDente67 563]

So do people like them?  I'm always interested in a design where I don't have to go through pistol paperwork.

[Lambo2936 297]

Some do, some don't.

I haven't shot a real one, but have held them and they feel Odd to me. There is no doubt that it is, in theory, a superior design in that you can maintain a full length barrel without the size of a full length rifle.
Try one out; maybe find somewhere you can rent one, and see how you like it. I always thought it'd be odd to try and reload with the mag well being behind the pistol grip. I'd imagine if you got used to it, it could certainly be a fantastic piece.

The TAVOR seems to be fairly popular.

[Pine Baron 10]

There you go.

[Rob0115 1,105]

The above photos are of a Steyer Aug, these are bull pups.  Cute eh?

 

[NJGF 375]

Here is a review of the Tavor by Jerry Miculak:

 

And Hickok45:

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

Poor trigger feel (because usually there's some kind of long linkage running from the trigger to the actual hammer/sear) and bad ergonomics for magazine changes are the main criticisms of bullpups.  They also tend to be downright hostile to "wrong-handed" users (bullpup set up for right-handed shooter will discharge brass directly into the face of a left-handed shooter trying to use it).

 

I have a Tavor with "maximum" trigger upgrades - geiselle trigger pack and their "lightning bow" trigger/linkage, and I think the trigger is AWESOME.

Reaching into my armpit with my support hand to effect magazine changes is less awesome though...

[High Exposure 5,664]

I love my MSAR:

 

I have a 2020 sear in the trigger pack and the trigger is as good as my Geissele SSA.

 

I don't have an issue with the reloads. Drop the stock into the crook of your arm. Lift your elbow 6 inches and the mag is right where you need it. Adds maybe 3/4 of a second to my reloads on the timer. I'll take it for a rifle shorter than my issued Colt 11.5" SBR and still retains the ballistics of 5.56 with a 16" barrel.

 

Comparison of my 16" MSAR/AUG and my issued 11.5" Colt:

[bhunted 887]

I love my MSAR:

 

I have a 2020 sear in the trigger pack and the trigger is as good as my Geissele SSA.

 

I don't have an issue with the reloads. Drop the stock into the crook of your arm. Lift your elbow 6 inches and the mag is right where you need it. Adds maybe 3/4 of a second to my reloads on the timer. I'll take it for a rifle shorter than my issued Colt 11.5" SBR and still retains the ballistics of 5.56 with a 16" barrel.

 

Comparison of my 16" MSAR/AUG and my issued 11.5" Colt:

Sort of In the words of Arnold in Predator.... That's one ugly muthafooker.

 

 

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[n4p226r 105]

What's with the mini mag in the commando?

[High Exposure 5,664]

Fits in the safe that way.