Help with New build...

[Jfoster99 80]

This is the Thordson Stock... In comparison to the cost of the rifle it is very expensive indeed...

[High Exposure 5,662]

Looks at the Ares SCR lower. Much better option IMO.

 

Then you can keep that lower to build something else.

[Jfoster99 80]

The Ares SCR is an awesome concept... I would even consider building one for use here in NJ. This would be my dream.

 

 

For these Budget Builds I am working thru half of a 10 pack of Anderson Lowers I already own.

[Jfoster99 80]

A quick family portrait while they are all still together. The three on the floor will be making their way to new homes. A fourth already left on Sunday... similar to the NY Safe Act build but with regular pistol grip and muzzle break.

[Vlad G 345]

You should probably not be advertising that you are in the business of building guns for others. You might be getting close to running against certain ATF rules. 

[Jfoster99 80]

As I mentioned the receivers were purchased by me and for me... but due to the recent political change I decided I don't need to own as many... Hence my decision to help put a few of them into deserving homes of shooting enthusiast for free in one case ( for my brother) and at significant financial loss to a few friends who otherwise would not purchase an AR-15. I'm not sure why me accessorizing the receivers before selling would matter?

 

In any case if it is illegal I don't want to hide it by not discussing it.... I want to get advice on how to go about this 100% above board.... what is the best way to ensure this is done legally...

 

The NY build is already going thru an FFL to be transferred. The other my plan was to just have a COE filled out... to be in the "Business" doesn't that mean for a profit? This is all being done at a significant loss to help promote our 2A cause.

[JT Custom Guns 956]

Technically, to manufacture a firearm w/o a Class 7 lic is against the law.

Do people do it?

Yes, all the time, but when you do several and go public - it can come back to bite you.........

[Malice4you 627]

Technically, to manufacture a firearm w/o a Class 7 lic is against the law.

Do people do it?

Yes, all the time, but when you do several and go public - it can come back to bite you.........

 

Doesn't manufacturing consist of turning the block of aluminum into the finished lower?  I can buy an 80% lower, and until I do whatever needs to be done to that 80% lower to turn it into a completed lower, an 80% is considered the same as the chunk of metal it originally was, legally speaking (correct?).  Is finishing that machining that not the manufacturing part?  Once it has been completed, it is the firearm, and any accessories added are just that...though New Jersey decides some of those accessories are deadlier than others, like that shoulder thing that goes up.

 

My understanding is that it is legal to get an 80% lower in the state of New Jersey.  It is legal for me to bring that 80% to a friend's house in PA and complete the work on it, making it a 100% lower.  I can then legally bring it back to NJ, assembling the lower with a parts kit, adding on an upper and whatever other parts I want or need, as long as those other parts don't make it an assault weapon or anything else restricted by the state or ATF.  Then, after shooting it, I could decide that firing an AR is horrifying, menacing and very very loud, and decide to sell it off to another buyer or give it to a friend or family member who has their FID and COEs, which again I am led to believe is still perfectly legal to do.

 

Now, I understand that after a certain point of doing the above, it is no longer simply collecting and selling legal items, but where is the line?  What number does the ATF say is legal to sell in say, a year, as a private citizen with no FFL of any kind?  And if someone's plans to make say 5 or 10 AR style rifles out of legally purchased stripped 100% lowers, purchased from an FFL before the election, were to change when the results of the election were better than expected, how exactly is it a problem for them to be gifted away or sold?

 

I have been doing a bit of research on an 07 FFL the last few months, and I hope that it is in my cards for the future.  I just don't think any of this theoretical situation has anything to do with an 07, other than maybe someone buying those lowers got them from an 07 instead of an 01.  In case I'm wrong, I'd like to know.

[JT Custom Guns 956]

We are not discussing 80% lowers, nor are we discussing someone changing their mind

and reselling the lowers they no longer want.

 

We were discussing someone who purchased a number of lowers and is building rifles

and selling them. Whether he makes money or loses money is not a deciding factor, he

is still mfg. rifles and there is a possibility that the ATF may have an issue with that.......

[vladtepes 1,060]

Doesn't manufacturing consist of turning the block of aluminum into the finished lower?  

 

 

 

no.. in NJ it means EXACTLY this.. 

 

 

"Manufacturer" means any person who receives or obtains raw materials or parts and processes them into firearms or finished parts of firearms, except a person who exclusively processes grips, stocks, and other nonmetal parts of firearms. The term does not include a person who repairs existing firearms or receives new and raw materials or parts solely for the repair of existing firearms. 

 

and if curious the exact law you would be breaking would be...

 

 

3:54-4.2 Registration required

No person shall manufacture or sell at wholesale any firearm or part of a firearm unless he has been registered by the Superintendent under the provisions of this chapter. 

 

not sure what the penalty is.. or if there are additional charges..