Picked up a Ruger Precision Rifle; Now, what brake to get?

[Shane45 807]

Why would you say I want to doubt Ruger? All Im saying is that in any testing of anything, its hard to make comparisons from one test to another unless at a minimum both tests were at least  calibrated to the same standard and run the same way. As I said earlier, Ive had a number of 308's with no brake at all and don't find the recoil an issue. I agree with David Tubb that return to target is the most important thing, at least in 308. If anyone wants to shoot my 338Lapua Magnum without a brake, they might get a lesson about when recoil reduction becomes important. But from at least my perspective, the cost difference in a brake is insignificant to the costs of this kind of effort. Consider that many say to truly become proficient in LR shooting, you need to shoot 3 to 5 thousand rounds in varying conditions. In a 6.5, if you don't reload, that could be almost $7000 in just ammo. Figure roughly $3200 wrapped up in rifle and scope. At least another 600 to 2500 wrapped up in accessories, depending on how good a spotting scope you get. So figure you could be in for up to 12k in this venture, what is the significance of $100? Since it would be rather hard to test for yourself, all we have is the tests people do and looking at what the top competitors are using as they tend to test extensively and chase 10 10ths.

[GRIZ 3,369]

I say you want to doubt Ruger because you are questioning what their test criteria is. Could be Ruger's is a better test. We can't be sure. I would think Ruger has a lot more resources to employ. I already explained why Ruger can make a better product for less money. The brake either reduces recoil to a certain degree or it doesn't.

 

Yes one spends a lot of money if they seriously get into long range shooting. I'm very aware of that. $100 more in the total cost is small. However, I don't think that's what Lambo's intent is. I think the Ruger brake will work fine for her. Even if you're not sure it will work as well as one costing more.

[Shane45 807]

Griz, you really are making a LOT of assumptions tonight. Please indicate where I questioned Rugers criteria. If you actually read the article I linked you would have seen that the tester came up with his own test equipment, methodology and criteria as he could not find any standards for doing so. I have no idea what Rugers is. But that would be a strong indication that the testing methodology, equipment and criteria and controls are likely different. And as such I think that comparing the results of the two likely different methodologies may be flawed. I like my GP's weight scale over my specialists weight scale because it reads 10 pounds less, but they are both calibrated right?   But if I stick to my comparisons on a single scale I can reasonably believe the rate of change should be accurate but I cant necessarily compare the results of one with the other unless I actually know what the deviation is. You seem to want to paint me in a corner of having an issue with factory brakes. My most expensive precision rifle wears the factory brake. With that being said, if the factory brake was not of good quality or performance in the category Im looking for, it would absolutely be replaced. My last 338 Lapua had, wait for it, wait for it, another manufacturers factory brake because it was reported as having excellent performance. I don't give a shit if the brake was 10 bucks and came on a century AK, if it has great performance in the criteria Im looking for, Im in. However that hasn't been my experience and I have based some of my choices from talking with those that have way more experience with specific products than I do. People can buy or use whatever they want. Makes no difference to me, but opinions where asked for and that's what I provided. If you re-read my posts, you should come away with the conclusion that I am saying different tests using different methods and equipment may not be directly comparable. If you don't come away with that conclusion, let this sentence serve to clarify my position.

[GRIZ 3,369]

Griz, you really are making a LOT of assumptions tonight. Please indicate where I questioned Rugers criteria. If you actually read the article I linked you would have seen that the tester came up with his own test equipment, methodology and criteria as he could not find any standards for doing so. I have no idea what Rugers is. But that would be a strong indication that the testing methodology, equipment and criteria and controls are likely different. And as such I think that comparing the results of the two likely different methodologies may be flawed. I like my GP's weight scale over my specialists weight scale because it reads 10 pounds less, but they are both calibrated right?   But if I stick to my comparisons on a single scale I can reasonably believe the rate of change should be accurate but I cant necessarily compare the results of one with the other unless I actually know what the deviation is. You seem to want to paint me in a corner of having an issue with factory brakes. My most expensive precision rifle wears the factory brake. With that being said, if the factory brake was not of good quality or performance in the category Im looking for, it would absolutely be replaced. My last 338 Lapua had, wait for it, wait for it, another manufacturers factory brake because it was reported as having excellent performance. I don't give a shit if the brake was 10 bucks and came on a century AK, if it has great performance in the criteria Im looking for, Im in. However that hasn't been my experience and I have based some of my choices from talking with those that have way more experience with specific products than I do. People can buy or use whatever they want. Makes no difference to me, but opinions where asked for and that's what I provided. If you re-read my posts, you should come away with the conclusion that I am saying different tests using different methods and equipment may not be directly comparable. If you don't come away with that conclusion, let this sentence serve to clarify my position.

I agree with your last two sentences. I said that before.

 

You finally said what I've been saying all along when you say, "...don't care if the brake costs $10...".

[Lambo2936 297]

I say you want to doubt Ruger because you are questioning what their test criteria is. Could be Ruger's is a better test. We can't be sure. I would think Ruger has a lot more resources to employ. I already explained why Ruger can make a better product for less money. The brake either reduces recoil to a certain degree or it doesn't.

 

Yes one spends a lot of money if they seriously get into long range shooting. I'm very aware of that. $100 more in the total cost is small. However, I don't think that's what Lambo's intent is. I think the Ruger brake will work fine for her. Even if you're not sure it will work as well as one costing more.

I'm a him, haha

I Appreciate you looking into it. I Think that's exactly what i'm going to do.. I can pick both up for 80$, test both out, and keep running whatever i find to work better for my needs. I Think that's a no brainer. In the meantime i'm hoping to hit the range this weekend or whenever possible to see how the rifle is on its own. At a minimum i'll put the flash hider on, though.

[GRIZ 3,369]

I'm a him, haha

I Appreciate you looking into it. I Think that's exactly what i'm going to do.. I can pick both up for 80$, test both out, and keep running whatever i find to work better for my needs. I Think that's a no brainer. In the meantime i'm hoping to hit the range this weekend or whenever possible to see how the rifle is on its own. At a minimum i'll put the flash hider on, though.

Sorry about the gender thing.

 

Happy to have been of help. You have any question about how either is supposed to be oriented call Ruger Customer Service.

[Lambo2936 297]

Sorry about the gender thing.

 

Happy to have been of help. You have any question about how either is supposed to be oriented call Ruger Customer Service.

That's alright; Lambo2936 isn't exactly the type of username to give away ones gender.

Thanks again for the info.

[Shane45 807]

I agree with your last two sentences. I said that before.

 

You finally said what I've been saying all along when you say, "...don't care if the brake costs $10...".

I understood your position. Our problem arose when you assumed mine and made declarative statements on my position without actual statements from me supporting your suppositions.

[GRIZ 3,369]

I understood your position. Our problem arose when you assumed mine and made declarative statements on my position without actual statements from me supporting your suppositions.

Okay.

[bhunted 887]

My head hurts. [emoji12][emoji856]

 

 

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[Shane45 807]

Okay.

[Lambo2936 297]

Just a quick update; Got to shoot it today. Shot great, got it sighted in somewhat for now, though im sure i could use a bit more fine tuning (was gettin cold), but its pretty much spot on at 100.
Can certainly use a brake; i'll probably end up picking something up soon.. Has a fair amount of kick and i'm pretty small. Their benches are a bit tall so i have to sit on my leg to shoot off a bipod, which doesn't help my posture. Wish i had a home based range, id build a nice custom one..

[lexcruiser 12]

Gaaaadd dang it.  Thought I was done for a while... then had to poke my nose into the precision rifle forum.  

So... since the RPR's are bolt action, anything goes with regards to adjustable stocks, hiders, etc. yea?  So long as they meet the capacity, 16" barrel and overall length requirements?

[T Bill 649]

Yes,

[Lambo2936 297]

Reviving this..
So what's the general consensus on brakes? Seems like even the ruger hybrid brake is fairly expensive.
Budget of 100$ or less. Barrel rise seems to be an issue for me so ports facing up would be a plus, i think.

[Bully 749]

I got a Gen1 APA Little bastard installed on a 308.  It was awesome.  I highly recommend them.  

https://www.americanprecisionarms.com/products-page/muzzlebrakes/little-bastard-brake/

[MartyZ 692]

I put the VG6 Gamma on my AR10 and I love it, will also be putting it onto my savage 10 build once I get the barrel threaded. It reduces recoil significantly on my AR10, and almost no muzzle rise.

[Rob0115 1,105]

3 hours ago, Bully said:

I got a Gen1 APA Little bastard installed on a 308.  It was awesome.  I highly recommend them.  

https://www.americanprecisionarms.com/products-page/muzzlebrakes/little-bastard-brake/

+1 on the little bastard.  I use it on my 300 WM and 6.5.  Excellent. 

[bhunted 887]

+1 on the little bastard.  I use it on my 300 WM and 6.5.  Excellent. 

+2 on lil bastardo.

Haven’t we gone through this a year ago Lambo? Stop cheaping out again.

Geeze...

 

 

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[Old School 611]

On ‎1‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 6:34 PM, GRIZ said:

People buy too many things for rifles because they "look good".

With you GRIZ   Gonna shoot it or make it into a lamp.

Just for what it's worth.  I shoot F-Class and the majority of the F/TR guys shoot 308.  NO BRAKES.

But they all have long barrels.

Thread protector $6.96 on ebay.

On ‎1‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 7:43 PM, bhunted said:

No problem. You got a good deal on a great rifle. Don't skimp on decent parts for it though. Good luck....

 

 

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Such BS

[Scorpio64 5,147]

Just an FYI, if you plan on shooting in competitions, having a brake/comp may disqualify that rifle.
 

From the NRA HP rule book

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Barrel Accoutrements/Devices

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Standard, factory installed “flash hiders” are permitted.

Competition style muzzle brakes, compensators, and barrel tuners are prohibited. 

Suppressors are prohibited.

 

 

If I'm not mistaken, most competition shooters do not use threaded barrels, I believe a target crown is the most common muzzle profile.  Those that do have a threaded muzzle use a thread protector or whatever flash hider came stock.  More good news, a standard A2 flash hider is also (to some extent) a compensator.

If I am mistaken, I'm sure someone will come along and set things straight.

[bhunted 887]

Such BS

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[Lambo2936 297]

51 minutes ago, Scorpio64 said:

Just an FYI, if you plan on shooting in competitions, having a brake/comp may disqualify that rifle.
 

From the NRA HP rule book

 

If I'm not mistaken, most competition shooters do not use threaded barrels, I believe a target crown is the most common muzzle profile.  Those that do have a threaded muzzle use a thread protector or whatever flash hider came stock.  More good news, a standard A2 flash hider is also (to some extent) a compensator.

If I am mistaken, I'm sure someone will come along and set things straight.

Thanks for the heads up but no, this is just a plinker. 

 

2 hours ago, bhunted said:

+2 on lil bastardo.

Haven’t we gone through this a year ago Lambo? Stop cheaping out again.

Geeze...

 

 

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Haven't purchased a firearm in a few months (A record, actually, i think) so i figured id finally order the brake and sights for my Glock... lol.. every time i got serious about purchasing something id find a good deal on a firearm and drop far more $$ than i'd like.
 

[GRIZ 3,369]

2 hours ago, Old School said:

With you GRIZ   Gonna shoot it or make it into a lamp.

Just for what it's worth.  I shoot F-Class and the majority of the F/TR guys shoot 308.  NO BRAKES.

But they all have long barrels.

Thread protector $6.96 on ebay.

Such BS

The only rifle I have a brake on is my Savage Scout because it came with one.

[T Bill 649]

 

[shooter28 153]

Area 419 Hellfire. 2 piece system allows you to use their brake or quickly screw on a multitude of different suppressor if you ever shoot in a free state. 

http://www.area419.com/product/hellfire_st/