Ft.Lauderdale airport?

[YankeeSC 1,204]

They will want to ban extended mags.

[bhunted 887]

I wouldn't put it past the libtards, that they orchestrated all this. Quite a coinkadink that the Hudson Bill has been on the news and ccw recipr. being pushed down as one the number one focused items. I don't put anything past these pukes anymore.

 

 

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[GRIZ 3,369]

why's that? doesn't have anything to do with this incident. also, this took place in a gun free zone remember, so no guns would have been allowed anyway. except for the ones the bad guy used of course

Firearms are prohibited in nonsecure areas of airports in FL. The only exception is if you're traveling with the gun and it's unloaded and in your checked luggage. There is current legislation in FL to change this and allow people with a CCW to carry in the non secure area of airports.

 

Absent any state law, there is no Federal law prohibiting a person carrying legally from carrying in a non secure area of the airport. Federal jurisdiction at airports is in the secure area only.

 

This guy apparently was flying from Anchorage to FL. It was an Air Canada flight which had to make a stop in Canada. Foreign carriers are not permitted to fly passengers directly from one US destination to another.

[mipafox 438]

Well, I certainly missed that the times I went to Florida. And I checked, too. It sounds like you are correct but I don't know why I couldn't figure it out.

[Howard 538]

Firearms are prohibited in nonsecure areas of airports in FL. The only exception is if you're traveling with the gun and it's unloaded and in your checked luggage. There is current legislation in FL to change this and allow people with a CCW to carry in the non secure area of airports.

 

Absent any state law, there is no Federal law prohibiting a person carrying legally from carrying in a non secure area of the airport. Federal jurisdiction at airports is in the secure area only.

 

This guy apparently was flying from Anchorage to FL. It was an Air Canada flight which had to make a stop in Canada. Foreign carriers are not permitted to fly passengers directly from one US destination to another.

The entire thing is rather strange. Why fly with a gun in checked baggage to do this as you are limited in how much ammo you can have checked. I believe this guy ran out of ammo and then surrendered. Would make much more sense to just drive to an airport if that was your goal and walk in with a gun and lots more ammo. But who ever said criminals and crazy people are logical

[Mrs. Peel 7,157]

Is it weird that one of my very first thoughts upon hearing this was: I'm so glad Hillary is not the President-Elect...? Lots (LOTS) of things I don't like about Trump, but can you imagine the legislation that would be rammed through after this if he wasn't, in fact, the Pres-Elect?

[voyager9 3,434]

A bunch of "gun owners" calling into 101.5 saying they should ban checked ammo on flights.

 

 

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[Howard 538]

A bunch of "gun owners" calling into 101.5 saying they should ban checked ammo on flights.

 

 

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A bunch of dumber than dirt gun owners at that.

[Zeke 5,504]

A bunch of people calling into a talk show that say they own guns

[GRIZ 3,369]

The entire thing is rather strange. Why fly with a gun in checked baggage to do this as you are limited in how much ammo you can have checked. I believe this guy ran out of ammo and then surrendered. Would make much more sense to just drive to an airport if that was your goal and walk in with a gun and lots more ammo. But who ever said criminals and crazy people are logical

The ammo restriction still covers several boxes of handgun ammo. I don't think he fired 100 or 200 rds.

 

I agree he could have done more damage if he just drove to the airport. He could have used a "AK 47" and 100 rd drums.

 

BTW they just showed on Fox the flight was Anchorage to Minneapolis to FL. I forgot there are exemptions for some foreign air carriers to travel directly from and to US cities.

 

Intetesting, Gov Scott talked to Trump but not Obama. I guess Obama can't be bothered. Maybe he's playing golf somewhere.

 

Fox also said the perpetrator was given a General Discharge from the Alaska National Guard in August 2016. That would indicate there's something wrong with this guy.

[Krdshrk 3,877]

Fox also said the perpetrator was given a General Discharge from the Alaska National Guard in August 2016. That would indicate there's something wrong with this guy.

 

From what I saw it was an honorable discharge so ???

 

[voyager9 3,434]

General or Honorable? ABC was saying Honorable Discharge.

 

 

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[Cereza 106]

here's your "white hispanic". allegedly...

 

https://www.instagram.com/estebansantiago64/

 

Wrong instagram. 

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/esteban-santiago-identified-gunman-fort-lauderdale-shooting-article-1.2937904

[Mrs. Peel 7,157]

Story getting a little more "colorful" already... from cbs in Miami: http://miami.cbslocal.com/2017/01/06/sen-bill-nelson-identifies-suspected-fll-gunman/

 

Pertinent parts here:

Law enforcement said he was found with an active military ID and is an American citizen, born in New Jersey. Previous known addresses include Penuelas, Puerto Rico and Anchorage, Alaska.

 

They add that in November 2016, he walked into an FBI office in Anchorage claiming that he was being forced to fight for ISIS. He was sent to a psychiatric hospital. In 2011 or 2012, he was investigated by Homeland Security Investigations for child porn. Three weapons and a computer were seized, but there was not enough evidence to prosecute, according to law enforcement sources.

 

Santiago also has a record for minor traffic violations and was evicted in 2015 for not paying rent.

[Krdshrk 3,877]

Don't see how that last line has anything to do with anything.  But this does seem like a big mental health issue - especially with a post-deployment veteran who potentially has PTSD.

[Zeke 5,504]

Hmmmn Sherlock Peel...

[mipafox 438]

General is usually "under honorable conditions" without a court martial so it confuses civies.

[HBecwithFn7 296]

General or Honorable? ABC was saying Honorable Discharge.

 

 

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I saw one tweet today indicating it was a "General discharge due to some unsatisfactory performance." But nothing rising to the level of a "bad conduct" or "Dishonorable" discharge.

[Zeke 5,504]

Honorable medical would prolly be a better pc

 

Depends on the co

[GRIZ 3,369]

General or Honorable? ABC was saying Honorable Discharge.

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A General Discharge can be Honorable or Other Than Honorable. It seems this guy was wasn't all there in the head

 

Please don't play the PTSD card. That's way overplayed IMO.

[HBecwithFn7 296]

Firearms are prohibited in nonsecure areas of airports in FL. The only exception is if you're traveling with the gun and it's unloaded and in your checked luggage. There is current legislation in FL to change this and allow people with a CCW to carry in the non secure area of airports.

 

Absent any state law, there is no Federal law prohibiting a person carrying legally from carrying in a non secure area of the airport. Federal jurisdiction at airports is in the secure area only.

 

This guy apparently was flying from Anchorage to FL. It was an Air Canada flight which had to make a stop in Canada. Foreign carriers are not permitted to fly passengers directly from one US destination to another.

 

 

Well, I certainly missed that the times I went to Florida. And I checked, too. It sounds like you are correct but I don't know why I couldn't figure it out.

 

This is correct.  That said, there's a bill introduced that, oddly enough, is scheduled for committee review this coming Tues. (01/10) to allow concealed carry in the non-sterile areas of a FL airport (as well as other places where it is currently prohibited by FL Statute).   Certainly, this incident complicates that debate. But I listened to Gov. RIck Scott's press conference at FLL, and he did not take the reporter's bait over those committee meetings, staying that "This is not the time to politicize... it's time to grieve for the victims, and to bring the perp to justice." 

 

We have high hopes it will still pass, but we'll see...

[mipafox 438]

A General Discharge can be Honorable or Other Than Honorable. It seems this guy was wasn't all there in the head

 

Please don't play the PTSD card. That's way overplayed IMO.

General is general, not honorable. See my earlier post. You are going to confuse these guys. You are thinking of "under honorable conditions."

[mipafox 438]

 

 

 

This is correct. That said, there's a bill introduced that, oddly enough, is scheduled for committee review this coming Tues. (01/10) to allow concealed carry in the non-sterile areas of a FL airport (as well as other places where it is currently prohibited by FL Statute). Certainly, this incident complicates that debate. But I listened to Gov. RIck Scott's press conference at FLL, and he did not take the reporter's bait over those committee meetings, staying that "This is not the time to politicize... it's time to grieve for the victims, and to bring the perp to justice."

 

We have high hopes it will still pass, but we'll see...

Well, the current law certainly didn't stop him.

 

Your typical sheep don't think this stuff through. They think "airport" and "OMG guns!" Security at airports is intended to prevent hijackings, obviously. Baggage claim is no different than the battery of checkout counters at Walmart. It's not any more of a security threat than any other place where you have a space and have people. Of course, I'm preaching to the choir here.

[Mrs. Peel 7,157]

Don't see how that last line has anything to do with anything.  But this does seem like a big mental health issue - especially with a post-deployment veteran who potentially has PTSD.

 

Taken alone, an eviction could mean nothing, I agree. Taken together with all of the other things... it starts to create a portrait of a messy life. The reason for the mess, who knows? PTSD? Depression? Some other underlying mental condition? Or just a belligerent attitude that says "the rules don't apply to me"? Way too early to tell. But, how many of us have had negative interactions with the FBI, Homeland Security... and our landlord? Again, just very messy. I guess we'll hear more as the details role out. It's just amazing though how often these mass shooters have popped up on the radar screens in a multitude of ways prior to their big act.

[gleninjersey 2,139]

Taken alone, an eviction could mean nothing, I agree. Taken together with all of the other things... it starts to create a portrait of a messy life. The reason for the mess, who knows? PTSD? Depression? Some other underlying mental condition? Or just a belligerent attitude that says "the rules don't apply to me"? Way too early to tell. But, how many of us have had negative interactions with the FBI, Homeland Security... and our landlord? Again, just very messy. I guess we'll hear more as the details role out. It's just amazing though how often these mass shooters have popped up on the radar screens in a multitude of ways prior to their big act.

He didn't have negative interactions with FBI according to the story. He actually walked into their office. In a way it sounds that he was seeking their help.

 

Just because he was evicted doesn't mean it was negative. I'm a landlord. I've evicicted people. Most times it's not negative or positive. I even had one young woman who realized she wouldn't be able to afford the rent going forward. We talked and she agreed to move out prior to me filing evictionn.

 

Let's not read more into a developing story than is there. The news has already reported he was on an Air Canada flight. Now this story is reporting that Air Canada denies they had any passengers with that name. Now it's being reported he was on a Delta flight.

 

How about we wait a few days or weeks for more clarity and better reporting.

[mipafox 438]

Dude killed a bunch of people. His motivation doesn't matter unless he is connected with other people that need to be arrested or have bombs dropped on them. We'll never come up with an explanation that makes us feel better about what this bastard did, and we'll never glean some nugget of wisdom that allows us to prevent this in the future. Some people are unpredictable in some ways and life doesn't always make sense to our feeble minds.

[HBecwithFn7 296]

Well, the current law certainly didn't stop him.

 

Your typical sheep don't think this stuff through. They think "airport" and "OMG guns!" Security at airports is intended to prevent hijackings, obviously. Baggage claim is no different than the battery of checkout counters at Walmart. It's not any more of a security threat than any other place where you have a space and have people. Of course, I'm preaching to the choir here.

 

Indeed, you are. 

 

And allowing concealed carry in non-sterile areas has nothing to do with the what happened today.  This guy, Santiago, actually followed the correct procedure for transport of a weapon.  And, once he retrieved his checked luggage, it became the same as if someone just walked in from the outside with a weapon...  I don't think banning weapons in airports or banning their transport will resolve anything.  And when I heard some retired TSA guy say, when asked if the *entire* airport should become sterile and the security checkpoints begin at the main entry/exit doors. The TSA guy responding by saying that it would result in horrific delays in travel if that were to happen, that people simply wouldn't fly anymore.

 

I know I wouldn't....

[PK90 3,570]

I carry a loaded gun all the time at the PHX airport, and I suspect others also do. There is a doctor who frequently carries a loaded AR slug across his back there also. As long as you don't attempt to pass the fat black lady standing at the security gate, you are good to go.

[deerpark 83]

NBC and Fox reported that he walked into a Sheriff's office and an FBI field office to complain about the "CIA brainwashing him with ISUS videos"...

Starting to feel like an MK Ultra/Manchurian Candidate.

His timing was impeccable, right on que to counter national concealed carry.

[kirk2022 43]

Not going to jump into the normal this that and so on. I tend to stay out of theses topics.  That said this one has hit close. They have started releasing names, One of the Victims is originally from our town, My wife went to school with him.  Thoughts go through my mind but not the ones I read when things like this happen.