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#1 DirtyDigz

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 09:02 PM

Just received a speed camera ticket in the mail from Maryland when I was down visiting family over Christmas.

 

It's a civil citation, not moving violation, so I believe it can't be reported to insurance, and as far as I can tell the only real penalty for not paying is a hold placed on vehicle registration when you go to renew. 

 

Anyone know if their "reach" extends to NJ registrations, or just MD registrations?

 

I'd really enjoy telling them to go pound if I can.



#2 siderman

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 09:10 PM

I got one a few yrs ago, 2AM thru a non working construction zone the pricks. I thought about blowing it off too but I make a handful of runs thru MD during the yr and did not want to risk getting pulled over with a outstanding ticket, especially witha gun in the car. I just payed it and let it go.
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#3 HBecwithFn7

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 09:18 PM

Just received a speed camera ticket in the mail from Maryland when I was down visiting family over Christmas.


Anyone know if their "reach" extends to NJ registrations, or just MD registrations?

 

 

I wouldn't put it past them. Remember that MD has MCAC.  I'm sure that means that Info. goes *both* ways. 



#4 CageFighter

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 09:39 PM

cant u write a letter to fight it?  such a bogus crock of sh*t! 


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#5 DirtyDigz

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 08:20 AM

So after more research elsewhere, it appears that MD cannot prevent me from renewing a NJ vehicle registration.

 

It's a civil complaint only, so if I ignore it it will not result in a warrant or show up on a criminal record.

 

However, failure to respond to it will result in a cascade of penalties and fees and eventually a civil judgement which can affect my credit rating.

 

Looks like I'm paying.



#6 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 08:36 AM

MD put a hold on my drivers license renewal due to a regular speeding ticket there. They are really vindictive bastards.

Between the high EZ Pass tolls and speed traps, it's a big MD/DE tax collection scam for people driving through. Highway robbery by the state.

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#7 T Bill

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 08:47 AM

Here's a partial answer anyway.

http://davidwaranch....camera-tickets/


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#8 howard

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 09:26 AM

My wife was in DE about 9 years ago with my son and one of these cameras caught them going through a red light.  They send me a ticket in the mail, to which I replied I had not be in DE in years.  They sent me the photo of the car plate and one showing it behind the stop line when the light was red and one in the middle of the intersection.  They told me if it was not me driving that I could get off by telling them who was the driver.  I replied that there were multiple drivers in the car and unless they could send me a picture of the driver I was not going to risk perjury by just picking which one it might have been and that the drivers had no recollection of going through a red light or who was driving at the time.  That was the last I heard from the company in MA that runs their system.


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#9 HBecwithFn7

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 10:10 AM

My wife was in DE about 9 years ago with my son and one of these cameras caught them going through a red light.  They send me a ticket in the mail, to which I replied I had not be in DE in years.  They sent me the photo of the car plate and one showing it behind the stop line when the light was red and one in the middle of the intersection.  They told me if it was not me driving that I could get off by telling them who was the driver.  I replied that there were multiple drivers in the car and unless they could send me a picture of the driver I was not going to risk perjury by just picking which one it might have been and that the drivers had no recollection of going through a red light or who was driving at the time.  That was the last I heard from the company in MA that runs their system.

 
Yeah,  that's been one of the issues regarding "cam" tickets... not knowing who was the driver, as the "violation" almost always goes against the driver's record, not the car owner.   I wonder if that's what's keeping the fruition of violation cameras.  BTW, I happen to know where there's a nasty little set of them in Warren County.

 

Intersection of Rt. 519 and US 22, near Phillipsburg Mall.

 

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These, I believe are more "red light & improper turn" cams than speed, but... I've actually seen them work.  In evening (dark) hours, you can see the flashes pop off when someone "commits a violation."

 

I believe it's also true that (at least in re: true LEO stops) that out of state drivers get targeted more than in state... the logic being that out of state drivers are less likely to be available to challenge the violation in court.  Easier just to pay the fine, or so they believe.... but when one has points and insurance premiums on the line, it makes more sense to make the required effort to challenge the violation if possible.



#10 CageFighter

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 10:37 AM

It's a civil complaint only, so if I ignore it it will not result in a warrant or show up on a criminal record.

Looks like I'm paying.

 

"Just because the photo enforced cameras take a picture does not mean it tells the whole story. For instance, you may not have been driving the car at the time or you may think the camera improperly recorded your speed that day. If so, you are allowed to challenge the citation, so long as you contest the ticket at least five days before the due date of the fine. Such challenges will be conducted din Maryland District Courts and specific details about how to challenge such tickets are listed on the back of each citation."


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#11 T Bill

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 12:48 PM

The P'burg cameras went offline a couple of years ago.  Political hot spot between two towns over revenue from the cameras and lawyers killing them on freedom of information requests.  One of the few 'wins' for the people of NJ.


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#12 DirtyDigz

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 01:14 PM

"Just because the photo enforced cameras take a picture does not mean it tells the whole story. For instance, you may not have been driving the car at the time or you may think the camera improperly recorded your speed that day. If so, you are allowed to challenge the citation, so long as you contest the ticket at least five days before the due date of the fine. Such challenges will be conducted din Maryland District Courts and specific details about how to challenge such tickets are listed on the back of each citation."

 

Yes, I read the ticket closely and I have the right to contest it * * in person * * back in Maryland.  No "by mail" challenges entertained. 

 

8 hours of travel time round trip to contest it.  If I lose, I will still owe the fine, plus undetermined court costs.  Risk/reward ratio not favorable on this action.

 

Yet I did drive 4 hours round trip in the snow to attend the NJ2AS conference this past Saturday.  Priorities.



#13 HBecwithFn7

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 05:23 PM

The P'burg cameras went offline a couple of years ago.  Political hot spot between two towns over revenue from the cameras and lawyers killing them on freedom of information requests.  One of the few 'wins' for the people of NJ.

 

Interesting.  I think the last time I went through there was, roughly, late July, 2015, and I saw them "operating" (i.e. flashes in the dark when a violation was caught). Whether or not that means tickets were actually being issued or sent, I don't know.



#14 1LtCAP

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 09:28 PM

Yes, I read the ticket closely and I have the right to contest it * * in person * * back in Maryland.  No "by mail" challenges entertained. 

 

8 hours of travel time round trip to contest it.  If I lose, I will still owe the fine, plus undetermined court costs.  Risk/reward ratio not favorable on this action.

 

Yet I did drive 4 hours round trip in the snow to attend the NJ2AS conference this past Saturday.  Priorities.

they do that for exactly why you stated.........they make it so it's not worth your time to risk fighting it so you'll just mail in the money.

 

 on the other hand.....wonder what'd happen if one had ir led's strong enough to "blind" those cameras........



#15 bry@n

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 01:10 PM

Were you speeding? If so, just pay it.

#16 DirtyDigz

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 04:37 PM

Were you speeding? If so, just pay it.

 

Yes.  47 in a 35, per the camera.



#17 Malsua

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 05:56 PM

Yes.  47 in a 35, per the camera.

 

Sucks.   Invest in a detector.  Contrary to common belief, they still work.    I use a Valentine 1 that I've had since 1994 and I've upgraded it twice.   


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#18 siderman

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 06:07 PM

Sucks.   Invest in a detector.  Contrary to common belief, they still work.    I use a Valentine 1 that I've had since 1994 and I've upgraded it twice.   

Do you think they'd work on high overhead pole mntd cameras/detecters vs the ones in patrol cars?



#19 Malsua

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 02:48 PM

Do you think they'd work on high overhead pole mntd cameras/detecters vs the ones in patrol cars?

 

The higher up, the better, it gives a longer over the horizon shot.  Too high and it won't be able to accurately get a speed, so there's a limit.


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