Applying for FPID and permits and...

[Limey 1]

I'm immediately aware that my Township (Manchester) require me to fill out a form in addition to the NJSP requirements that requires me to list the people I live with.

 

So I know this is unlawful from reading what I have on this forum and elsewhere.

 

Question is, how best to tackle this when go in to submit the paperwork?

 

Lawyer up immediately?

 

I plan on chronicling this process for those interested!

[orangesolo 26]

Lawyer up immediately?

 

If it was myself, I would let them know that under NJ laws, that is illegal. If they say sucks for you, you're not getting your license then I would threaten with a lawyer. If they laugh in your face and continue to deny you your license based on that, lawyer up. Nice lawsuit coming their way.

[Limey 1]

Gotcha. It's no secret either, it's on their website:

 

 

http://www.manchesterpolicenj.com/support-services-bureau/reports/firearms-applications/

 

I'm aware of a case that this was challenged under, tried to dig this out of Google but had little luck.

[T Bill 649]

Get the Association on the case.

 

http://www.anjrpc.org/?page=A_Strikeforce

[HBecwithFn7 296]

You should also bring it to the attention of "Operation Strikeforce." I forget who's spearheading it, but they're on here and there are plenty of threads about it. Look them up.

 

Edited to add: Ah, T Bill just beat me to it....

[DirtyDigz 1,811]

If I can find it, I'll send you a copy of a letter that went out from the NJ Attorney General's office that essentially tells municipal PD's to knock it off with the illegal extra forms.

I've posted it here on NJGF before, but it's been a while and this site's search is close to useless.

 

Giving Manchester PD a copy of that letter might be all that's needed for them to drop the "cohabitants" form requirement.

[DirtyDigz 1,811]

Ahh, here it is:

 

http://www.nj.gov/lps/dcj/agguide/directives/2016-4_Permits-to-Carry-Firearms_Directive.pdf

 

Page 2, middle of 2nd paragraph (my emphasis added, any typos are probably mine):

 

 

... Police agencies serving in the capacity of firearms licensing authorities are prohibited from applying different policies and standards reflecting local or personal views for the appropriate regulation of civilian firearms, and are prohibited from requiring the submission of forms or the provision of information that goes beyond the the items of information authorized by N.J.S.A.  2C:58-3(e), the State Police application forms, or judicial authority interpreting the law. ...

[Limey 1]

Thank you for the feedback so far gents. DirtyDigz, I appreciate the help there; that will be printed off and taken with me.

 

My next opportunity to get the application in is next Friday, so I'll update this then.

[Hairless_Ape 76]

ANJRPC won't do anything. I emailed them half a dozen times about Gloucester Twp having an extra (illegal) form. Didn't receive a single response.

[68chris 20]

What does "immediatley aware" mean?

[Limey 1]

It means I logged onto Manchester Townships website, looked at the list of requirements for a FID and became 'immediately aware' they were up to mischief.

 

It was something that stood out on what should have been a list of two forms.

[The brew guy 22]

Maybe contact NJ2AS? They did a series of hidden camera visits to a few municipalities a while ago and might be interested if you happen to have your phone in your shirt pocket and recording while you discuss this extra requirement.

[68chris 20]

It means I logged onto Manchester Townships website, looked at the list of requirements for a FID and became 'immediately aware' they were up to mischief.

It was something that stood out on what should have been a list of two forms.

I am not sure you can become "immediately aware"

The act of becoming aware is instantaneous in and of itself..

 

You were "unaware" before reading the requirements.

You became "aware" after reading the documents.

[Limey 1]

Of course you can; I was immediately aware of it because it stood out on the list of requirements.

 

If I'd noticed it later on I'd have said I became aware but for whatever reason it was the first thing my eyes found when I scrolled past the header.

 

If I had become aware of this at the PD it would be in a delayed context of becoming aware of something.

[Hairless_Ape 76]

I am not sure you can become "immediately aware"

The act of becoming aware is instantaneous in and of itself..

You were "unaware" before reading the requirements.

You became "aware" after reading the documents.

 

Come on now, that's enough. You're being a prick just for the sake of being a prick.

[Zeke 5,504]

Limey, when you visit your Pd with the letter, and Pd becomes immediately aware of their violation,

Let us know how it goes.

You can always contact the AG office after the visit if you made zero headway.