SCOTUS to hold closed door conference on NJ gun law case

[Fred2 367]

The timing of this is interesting, as it is supposed to be the day this case has it's closed door.

 

Gov. Greg Abbott on Friday asked the U.S. Supreme Court to block California's limits on concealed carry permit holders in a brief filed with eight other governors.

 

https://article.wn.com/view/2017/02/17/Gov_Greg_Abbott_wants_Supreme_Court_to_block_California_gun_/

[Alex V 99]

They will screw us. The supreme dipshits don't interpret The Constitution, they write the laws. They will generally take the path of greatest oppression. Without oppressing someone, be it The States or The People, they have no power.

 

Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.

 

FATW

Way to quote O'Brian from 1984 lol. Love it and agree.

[Downtownv 1,775]

Well there's this and National Reciprocity. A Double Barrel for Our lovely, old witch Loretta Weinberg.

God, I want to see her clutch her exploding heart...

[mipafox 438]

LOL

[HBecwithFn7 296]

Well there's this and National Reciprocity. A Double Barrel for Our lovely, old witch Loretta Weinberg.

God, I want to see her clutch her exploding heart...

 

 

LOL

 

Precisely.  Does anyone really think a little thing like "National Reciprocity" is going to stop someone like Weinberg?     I can almost hear her saying "Bring it on..."   They will find all kinds of ways around it.  Or they'll simply refuse to comply and then slug it out with the feds in court... knowing that it could take years, or that a single plaintiff probably doesn't even have 1% of the financial & legal resources NJ has to fight it out there, and/or knowing the difficulty in trying to build a "class action."  And it sure ain't like the ACLU is going to step in and help... 

 

I keep saying... the only way to ensure that NJ complies with pro 2A federal laws/regs is to tie compliance with the receipt of any federal funds NJ receives (just as they did with "incentivizing" all the states to raise the drinking age to 21).

 

Money talks!

[Downtownv 1,775]

Money talks especially with our whores in Trenton!

[mipafox 438]

Well, this is the time to get our shot, and it may not be around again soon. Nothing wrong with a couple irons in the fire, everybody do their part to see what we can get moving.

[Newtonian 453]

Does anyone have any idea what he is saying? Blue Book?

 

Either way SCOTUS is going on a year without a 9th Justice. I don't think Dems will try and drag it out and further turn public opinion against them. Plus there is nothing stopping the GOP from using Nuclear Option to confirm Justice. I'm going with 60 days tops. If Cert is granted (only takes 4) 9 will hear the case and 5 will rule for the Second Amendment. This could be big depending how the majority opinion is written.

 

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As recently as a month ago I would have agreed. As the midget said in the porn movie, "but not no more."

 

The only thing we can take for granted is that we can't take anything for granted. 

 

Trump's win was an f-ing mathematical miracle. Why did "they" let it happen? More states than ever respect the right to keep and bear arms, with a record number allowing constitutional carry. Given how our other rights have almost disappeared, how could "they" let that happen? How does that fit into the bigger agenda?

[Fred2 367]

Well there's this and National Reciprocity. A Double Barrel for Our lovely, old witch Loretta Weinberg.

God, I want to see her clutch her exploding heart...

Seeing this come to NJ, and shoving it down "Confiscate Confiscate Confiscate" 's throat would be a wonderful thing.

[Downtownv 1,775]

Tom McArthur Signed onto National reciprocity!

PLEASE Thank him!!!!

https://macarthur.house.gov/contact

 

 

Lobiando is a Limb Dick Pussy!  I requested he grows a Spine..... Never responded. Douche Bag!

[Fred2 367]

Shit

 

Feb 21 2017 Petition DENIED.

[tattooo 220]

Why am I not surprised

[Fred2 367]

I would be nice to know what went on behind the closed doors, but I guess that is the reason for closed doors.

[raz-0 1,259]

I would be nice to know what went on behind the closed doors, but I guess that is the reason for closed doors.

 

That's a secret, but in this case it is pretty easy to guess. 

 

At BEST, you have any RKBA case heading into a 4-4 split. That's not a win. I'd expect to see the lefty side of the court right now trying to bring any RKBA case in it can to shut it down and deny cert so that they have to work their way all teh way back up the ladder to benefit from and Trump appointments to SCOTUS or the federal courts. It's a win win for them. They turn the worst case of a loss into a massive delay, and they still have the hail mary that trump will be impeached before he gets to appoint any quantity of judges. Right now, it is incredibly easy for any circuit court decision to be upheld without SCOTUS actually weighing in on it. 

[Donobieus 15]

That's a secret, but in this case it is pretty easy to guess. 

 

At BEST, you have any RKBA case heading into a 4-4 split. That's not a win. I'd expect to see the lefty side of the court right now trying to bring any RKBA case in it can to shut it down and deny cert so that they have to work their way all teh way back up the ladder to benefit from and Trump appointments to SCOTUS or the federal courts. It's a win win for them. They turn the worst case of a loss into a massive delay, and they still have the hail mary that trump will be impeached before he gets to appoint any quantity of judges. Right now, it is incredibly easy for any circuit court decision to be upheld without SCOTUS actually weighing in on it. 

I agree with you 100% and I'm sure that you're right.....But it doesn't make me feel any better about it.  The Stephan's case was a good one.

[ChrisJM981 924]

I agree with you 100% and I'm sure that you're right.....But it doesn't make me feel any better about it. The Stephan's case was a good one.

Only four judges need to vote yes to hear a case. Perhaps there was a flaw in the petitioner's argument.

[Vlad G 345]

Only four judges need to vote yes to hear a case. Perhaps there was a flaw in the petitioner's argument.

 

But only 4 idiots would vote to hear a case they don't think they have 5 votes for.

[tattooo 220]

Good point Vlad

[Fred2 367]

Does he get to try again later, or is he SOL?

[raz-0 1,259]

Does he get to try again later, or is he SOL?

 

It's SCOTUS. He is done. 

[xXxplosive 824]

So what was the verdict.....................?

[tattooo 220]

??????

[JackDaWack 2,895]

So what was the verdict.....................?

Cert denied, so lower courts ruling holds.

[raz-0 1,259]

And as a point if it wasn't clear. This case is done. That doesn't mean the premise doesn't get another shot if another case is there. It just has to climb the ladder from scratch. 

[John Willett 70]

And as a point if it wasn't clear. This case is done. That doesn't mean the premise doesn't get another shot if another case is there. It just has to climb the ladder from scratch. 

 

Cert filed last week for Peruta case with supporting briefs from NRA, a bunch of state governors, and a bunch of 2A organizations. 

 

If you like to read:

http://michellawyers.com/guncasetracker/perutavsandiego/

 

Some amicus briefs aren't listed there yet. 

[mipafox 438]

It could have been worse.

[Princetonian58 53]

Cert filed last week for Peruta case with supporting briefs from NRA, a bunch of state governors, and a bunch of 2A organizations. 

 

If you like to read:

http://michellawyers.com/guncasetracker/perutavsandiego/

 

Some amicus briefs aren't listed there yet. 

 

Yesterday, Peruta was distributed to SCOTUS for conference on March 24, 2017.

[Fred2 367]

Even if they win, NJ will figure out a way it does not apply to us.

[mipafox 438]

Even if they win, NJ will figure out a way it does not apply to us.

They can't hold out forever in the climate of recent decades. I've always said, the only thing standing between Jersey and carry is that people in Jersey don't understand that carry is normal and whenever they leave the state they are surrounded by guns. That is slowly changing.

 

Then again, there is always the possibility the climate will change as well. They have had control of our kids for several years now, so we must fight their bullshit and brainwashing, and put them out of business.

[NJRulz 82]

If these liberal politicians were smart in our state, they should look as "shall issue" CCW as a huge revenue opportunity.  I am surprised they haven't touched the FID fees in all these years and those don't expire either (don't want to jinx it).

 

They can charge a significant amount for the initial CCW app (eg $500) plus $$$ per renewal.

 

The politicians can use the funds anyway they wish, for training gun safety etc or plugging any other pension hole they need.

 

Win-Win for everyone!