How not to pull a kid over a hedge...

[Barms 98]

With your pistol holding hand.

 

Just google "Anaheim officer"

 

And they haven't figured out how the gun went off?!?

[jackandjill 683]

[Shawnmoore81 623]

Officer was cleared, kid was arrested

 

 

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[tattooo 220]

The officer was not charged at the scene but is not cleared.....He is on administrative leave while the PD is conducting an investigation and the case is in route to be sent to the DA within a few weeks

[Shawnmoore81 623]

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/02/23/anaheim-protest-arrests/

 

Article from today.

 

 

Not sure how that state works. But my friend shot to disable a vehicle that was attempting to run over another cop and he caught a 6 month unpaid suspension.

 

 

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[Cereza 106]

The officer was not charged at the scene but is not cleared.....He is on administrative leave while the PD is conducting an investigation and the case is in route to be sent to the DA within a few weeks

 

^^^this^^^ 

I have no idea what the outcome of the DA's investigation will be, but it was exceedingly stupid for the officer to let things progress to that level. Teenagers are aggravating creatures, but if he couldn't keep his anger in check to deal with them then the gun should have been left inside. All he needed was a camera to prove who was on his property, and if he felt they presented an actual threat he should have called on-duty policemen to deal with it. Even if the kids walked away or got only a warning, it would have been better than the optical sh*tshow the officer now stars in which has collectively been viewed almost a million times. 

 

One cops take on the situation:

 

[SIGMan Freud 93]

I pretty much agree with Izzo above. Watching the original 8 minute video, you knew right away this went on far too long and wouldn't end well. The news reports said there was history between the cop and the kids and he had called the local PD before on the issue, so there was already bad blood between them. 

 

I don't buy the "warning shot" theory. I don't know a department in the country that allows warning shots. If you get a chance to see the other video, taken from a different angle, you can see the cop pull out his weapon with his free (left) hand, and then try to use that hand to continue to pull the kid over the hedge. Looks like a ND to me. 

 

The kids were being total jackasses, but that cop should have had the presence of mind to de-escalate the situation.

 

No charges against the off-duty cop (yet). Hard to see how he isn't coming out of this without at least some adminstrative sanctions. 

[Shawnmoore81 623]

I think he was fine drawing. Exhausted he was assaulted and they were closing in. But the shot will hurt him.

 

 

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[PK90 3,570]

Didn't watch the video. To me, he used Constructive Force, which is okay. If a ND, oops. If warning shot, bad. If he shot one of them, a good shoot.

 

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[High Exposure 5,664]

Watching the video, it sounds like one of the kids threatened to shoot the cop.

 

In any event, shit show decision process/problem solving aside, lots of learning to be had in this video.

 

By his holster setup, he is right handed. Unfortunately he decided to grab the kid with his right hand forcing him to have to draw with his left hand. You can see how unpracticed he is. Takes him a few tries to get his cover garment off the gun, then he has that funky cavalry draw.

 

That shot was no warning shot. That was a perfect example of parasympathetic reflex: What his right hand does - grips as he holds on to the kid and drags him over the bush, the left hand wants to do - grips the gun hard, unfortunately with his finger on the trigger.

 

This is what I was talking about in a few other threads here. He probably trains strong side a lot, weak side hardly at all - if ever. Training isn't just shooting, it's also not shooting, and doing things like keeping your finger off the trigger.

 

There are times for hands on, there are times for guns out. Those two should really never be simultaneous. If he felt in enough danger to draw, he should have let the kid go. Why would you want a deadly threat in arms distance to you? With divided attention and at least one gun definitely in play - yours - it's recipe for disaster.

[tattooo 220]

Well said HE

[Barms 98]

The both hand relax grip thing is new to me but it sounds reasonable. It's insane there is a warning shot theory. It's 100% obvious he lunged with left hand to pull the kid over with his hand on the pistol. remember two years ago the cop shot the kid in the stairwell in the projects? He was turning the door knob with the pistol hand

 

Sorry I didn't link the video guys. I'm on the mobile.

[jm1827 284]

Watching the video, it sounds like one of the kids threatened to shoot the cop.

 

In any event, shit show decision process/problem solving aside, lots of learning to be had in this video.

 

By his holster setup, he is right handed. Unfortunately he decided to grab the kid with his right hand forcing him to have to draw with his left hand. You can see how unpracticed he is. Takes him a few tries to get his cover garment off the gun, then he has that funky cavalry draw.

 

That shot was no warning shot. That was a perfect example of parasympathetic reflex: What his right hand does - grips as he holds on to the kid and drags him over the bush, the left hand wants to do - grips the gun hard, unfortunately with his finger on the trigger.

 

This is what I was talking about in a few other threads here. He probably trains strong side a lot, weak side hardly at all - if ever. Training isn't just shooting, it's also not shooting, and doing things like keeping your finger off the trigger.

 

There are times for hands on, there are times for guns out. Those two should really never be simultaneous. If he felt in enough danger to draw, he should have let the kid go. Why would you want a deadly threat in arms distance to you? With divided attention and at least one gun definitely in play - yours - it's recipe for disaster.

HE, as always, thank you for providing an excellent perspective.  Much appreciated!