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Oh, my... this is really quite poignant. What a cute little toddler... stood for 2 hours saluting the passing funeral procession of a cop. Those of you with small kids know how near impossible it is to keep a kid that age focused on anything for 2 hours! https://www.littlethings.com/police-officers-cohen-chastain/

Sorry for the way this is formatted. Unintentional. Don’t know why it came out like this? Anyhow, long but quite good. Enjoy & appreciate. Timely. On Nov 13, 2010, Lt General John Kelly, USMC, gave a speech to the Semper Fi Society of St. Louis , MO. This was four days after his son, Lt Robert Kelly, USMC, was killed by an IED while on his 3rd Combat tour. During his speech, General Kelly spoke about the dedication and valor of our young men and women who step forward each and every day to protect us. During the speech, he never mentioned the loss of his own son. He closed the speech with the moving account of the last six seconds in the lives of two young Marines who died with rifles blazing to protect their brother Marines. "I will leave you with a story about the kind of people they are, about the quality of the steel in their backs, about the kind of dedication they bring to our country while they serve in uniform and forever after as veterans. Two years ago when I was the Commander of all U.S. and Iraqi forces, in fact, the 22 ND of April 2008, two Marine infantry battalions, 1/9 "The Walking Dead," and 2/8 were switching out in Ramadi. One battalion in the closing days of their deployment going home very soon, the other just starting its seven-month combat tour. Two Marines, Corporal Jonathan Yale and Lance Corporal Jordan Haerter, 22 and 20 years old respectively, one from each battalion, were assuming the watch together at the entrance gate of an outpost that contained a makeshift barracks housing 50 Marines. The same broken down ramshackle building was also home to 100 Iraqi police, also my men and our allies in the fight against the terrorists in Ramadi, a city until recently the most dangerous city on earth and owned by Al Qaeda. Yale was a dirt poor mixed-race kid from Virginia with a wife and daughter, and a mother and sister who lived with him and whom he supported as well. He did this on a yearly salary of less than $23,000. Haerter, on the other hand, was a middle class white kid from Long Island . They were from two completely different worlds. Had they not joined the Marines they would never have met each other, or understood that multiple America 's exist simultaneously depending on one's race, education level, economic status, and where you might have been born. But they were Marines, combat Marines, forged in the same crucible of Marine training, and because of this bond they were brothers as close, or closer, than if they were born of the same woman. The mission orders they received from the sergeant squad leader I am sure went something like, "Okay you two clowns, stand this post and let no unauthorized personnel or vehicles pass. You clear?" I am also sure Yale and Haerter then rolled their eyes and said in unison something like, "Yes Sergeant," with just enough attitude that made the point without saying the words, "No kidding, we know what we're doing." They then relieved two other Marines on watch and took up their post at the entry control point of Joint Security Station Nasser, in the Sophia section of Ramadi, Al Anbar, Iraq . A few minutes later a large blue truck turned down the alley way - perhaps 60-70 yards in length, and sped its way through the serpentine of concrete jersey walls. The truck stopped just short of where the two were posted and detonated, killing them both catastrophically. Twenty-four brick masonry houses were damaged or destroyed. A mosque 100 yards away collapsed. The truck's engine came to rest two hundred yards away knocking most of a house down before it stopped. Our explosive experts reckoned the blast was made of 2,000 pounds of explosives. Two died, and because these two young infantrymen didn't have it in their DNA to run from danger, they saved 150 of their Iraqi and American brothers-in-arms. When I read the situation report about the incident a few hours after it happened I called the regimental commander for details as something about this struck me as different. Marines dying or being seriously wounded is commonplace in combat. We expect Marines regardless of rank or MOS to stand their ground and do their duty, and even die in the process, if that is what the mission takes. But this just seemed different. The regimental commander had just returned from the site and he agreed, but reported that there were no American witnesses to the event - just Iraqi police. I figured if there was any chance of finding out what actually happened ant to live. For about two seconds more, the recording shows the Marines' weapons firing non-stop the truck's windshield exploding into shards of glass as their rounds take it apart and tore in to the body of the ( Ideleted) who is trying to get past them to kill their brothers - American and Iraqi-bedded down in the barracks totally unaware of the fact that their lives at that moment depended entirely on two Marines standing their ground. If they had been aware, they would have known they were safe because two Marines stood between them and a crazed suicide bomber. The recording shows the truck careening to a stop immediately in front of the two Marines. In all of the instantaneous violence Yale and Haerter never hesitated. By all reports and by the recording, they never stepped back. They never even started to step aside They never even shifted their weight. With their feet spread shoulder width apart, they leaned into the danger, firing as fast as they could work their weapons. They had only one second left to live. The truck explodes. The camera goes blank. Two young men go to their God. Six seconds. Not enough time to think about their families, their country, their flag, or about their lives or their deaths, but more than enough time for two very brave young men to do their duty into eternity. That is the kind of people who are on watch all over the worldtonight - for you. We Marines believe that God gave America the greatest gift he could bestow to man while he lived on this earth - freedom. We also believe he gave us another gift nearly as precious - our soldiers, sailors, airmen, U S Customs and Border Patrol, Coast Guardsmen, and Marines - to safeguard that gift and guarantee no force on this earth can ever steal it away. It has been my distinct honor to have been with you here today. Rest assured our America, this experiment in democracy started over two centuries ago, will forever remain the "land of the free and home of the brave" so long as we never run out of tough young Americans who are willing to look beyond their own self-interest and comfortable lives, and go into the darkest and most dangerous places on earth to hunt down, and kill, those who would do us harm. God Bless America , and SEMPER FIDELIS !" IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE National boycott of the NFL for Sunday November 12th, Veterans Day Weekend. Boycott all football telecast, all fans, all ticket holders, stay away from attending any games

A bunch of us were pretty fired up about the "apply to be denied idea". As others have said, the state went to the 3rd federal circuit court and said that NJ issues permits to more than 90% of applicants so that proves that NJ isn't denying anyone their rights. Since nobody ever applies, this was true. The federal circuit court ruled that NJ's law is just fine as it is. After several weeks (maybe months) of bitching about it, a dozen of the regulars here decided to meet to work out a plan. We met with an attorney who wasn't crazy about our plan - but we weren't' discouraged. I think it fizzled when there was a lot to do and nobody really wanted to take on the work. I had initiated the first meeting but wasn't interested in leading the group and nobody else seemed that interested either. It was then that I understood that it's a lot of work and dedication to run an organization. We may not like NJ2AS tactics sometimes (or other groups) but I appreciate the hard work those groups are willing to put in to joust at windmills. I'd apply if there was a movement but I'm not sure another case will be heard in the federal courts from NJ and I don't know that NJ would use the same argument again. Truth is, I'm not sure NJ even needs to have any sort of argument to justify it's actions.. The more I follow federal gun rights cases, it becomes obvious that the constitution, facts, and truth have little weight in court. Activist judges will do back flips to come up with contrived, ridiculous, rational to keep people from exercising their rights - facts be damned. If nothing else, i was nice to put some faces to the people on this board.

I'm not buying shit. I have had everything thing I needed for over a year now. If they ban online ammo sales, then I will drive to PA and stock up when I need it. And I will buy my gas while I'm in PA.

The crazier this gets the more likely it won’t hold up in court.

I don't think NJ has any use for common sense. They are obviously going to target us and this has nothing to do with stopping crime. It is all politics and the fear that people have. It will all make sense to the general uneducated population. His agenda includes things like sanctuary state status which will have an impact on crime. It is going to be a long cold 4 years. Lots of this will effectively make criminals out of those that don't comply. We already effectively have handgun registration in NJ for newly acquired guns .The state police has all the info they need. The scary question is he so crazy that he will try to confiscate guns from people in their houses. So far I don't believe any state has tried this (correct me if I am wrong). For example in Connecticut there was extremely low compliance with their "assault weapon" ban. I had read the registrations came mainly from law enforcement (which I understand as their jobs are at stake). Otherwise the governor there declared they were not going to go house to house to seize the now illegal weapons. My real hope (I know that hope is not a strategy) is that they go so far that finally we get a case going to SCOTUS (similar to the MA case on stun guns) that even SCOTUS can overturn and possibly strike a lot of our gun laws. The Trump judges in the 3rd circuit will help. My real plan is winning the lottery and getting out of Dodge. One can hope anyway.

I refuse to have the Sky IS Falling attitude...... A lot of those bills will never see the light of day.... 2 things will come down.... 10rd magazines and some severe restriction or even elimination of AR platform

Buy 5 or 6 quality mags. Shoot with them to verify function and reliability. Once your satisfied they function in your rifle, load them up with your chosen SD/HD ammo and stuff them in a bandoleer, chest rig, bag, belt pouches, or whatever you want to carry them in - just make sure it something that you can fight from and that you can grab on the go. Keep them near your rifle. (I keep 5 pinned GI mags loaded with Federal 64gr TRU SP in a Gray Ghost Gear bandloeer with my primary HD rifle) Once a year, shoot the ammo in them and fill them back up with your chosen ammo. These are social mags only. They aren’t for training, they aren’t for range days. They are for the worst day of your life. I consider the minor cost a worthy investment that I hope to never need.

So I am not a lawyer and the rest of this post is strictly my opinion which may be very wrong due to a lack of political experience. I grabbed a few cups of coffee and did a search of firearms bills that were particularly dangerous to the shooting community in the past several years. Here is my take on this. Please pour a stiff drink and take it for what it's worth coming from a green horn when it comes to politics and law. This is simply how I see it. I did a little lunch time work yesterday and cleaned it up last night. So if history is about to be made it’s going to be based on the following high impact list of bills that were tried over and over again but vetoed by Christie. I’m sure you can expect all of them to come back around in full force. A preview, the impacts range from having to have 5 references for a handgun purchase, 2 of which must be by a professional (your bosses), and one from a licensed health care provider in NJ, picture id’s on your FID and on all pistol permits, An all-out gun registration, micro-stamped parts on all handguns, an all-out ban on “traditional handguns” once smart gun technology becomes available for sale, The ability for everyone from a regular nurse to a “marriage counselor” being able to deem you unfit and therefore they take away your guns, 10 round magazines with 180 days to get rid of your higher capacity, unlawful to have a loaded gun or magazine in your home, A driver’s license FID endorsement which then would allow officers to have probable cause to search your vehicle if your stopped for a simple traffic violation, to more taxes and so on. Some of these bills have been sponsored in 2017, 206, 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, and 2011. If you go searching for these bills on the NJ legislative site and come up with a different bill title for the same number you’re in the wrong year. Happy reading, by the way there are a lot more bills but these are the ones that will sting the most and will shut down gun ownership in NJ. Some of the bills introduced in past years will make it easier but don’t count on them ever coming up again. S804 Requires criminal history record background check for rifle and shotgun purchases. Say goodbye to face to face transactions in NJ. S816 Establishes commission to approve personaliized handguns; requires firearm retailers to sell personalized handguns.* This one has a lot of bad history and may come back as a devistaing bill. The original bill introduced "BANS" the sale of traditional handguns when personalized handguns become readily avilable. In Christie's veto statement he specifically called out this provision and chastized the Dem's for even trying that. It was removed in a vain attempt to get Christie to sign the bill which now requires a retailer to carry for sale a selection of personalized handguns on their premisis. The fear here is now the restraints are gone and you can expect an amendment to this bill which again moves to make all traditional handguns illegal to sell once smart guns become readily available, an open statement. S2417 Requires newly manufactured handguns to be micro-stamped; establishes handgun database. Yes, this is handgun registration. You will be required to register all of your firearms in the state. Two big problems. First any dealer that sells or transfer's a firearm that is not microstamped is subject to a $10,000 fine and/or up to 18 months in prison. Secondly it directs all retail firearms dealers to report handgun sales to the State Police (which I thought we already did by way of the permit). This puts all the FFL's out of business. Who is going to subject themselves to potential fines and jail while transfering a gun unless there is a way to be sure the gun is "micro-stamped". S3477 Establishes criminal penalties for sale and possession of certain firearm components. This one is not even available for review yet but word has it that it expands the 80% lower ban and includes any component that could be put on a firearm that would make it illegal (Adjustable Stock? etc) SCR117 Prohibits adoption of State Police proposed rule expanding justifiable need standard for issuing handgun carry permits. So in March 2016 The State Police attempted a rule change to allow the expansion of the justifiable need. Wouldn't have done much good, it was a minor expansion but bravo for them trying. This senate resolution by our wonderful D.Weinberg killed that attempt. A350 Disqualifies person named on federal Terrorist Watchlist from obtaining Firearms identification card or permit to purchase handgun. Last Session Bill Number: A253 Last Session Bill Number: A4680 S3062 Hopefully should not have any affect on legal gun owners in this state. A608 Requires successful completion of Firearms education program to obtain initial Firearms purchaser identification card and permit to purchase a handgun. Last Session Bill Number: A3764 S2355 Last Session Bill Number: A4859 Impact: On all individuals applying for an initial firearms purchaser identification card or permit to purchase a handgun. A1211 Revises certain laws concerning domestic violence and Firearms. Identical Bill Number: S805 Last Session Bill Number: A4218 (2R) S2786 (1R) Last Session Bill Number: A3697 S529 Impact: Chages make it easier to presume guilty and confiscate firearms and ID's. A2938 Requires Firearms seizure when mental health professional determines patient poses threat of harm to self or others. Identical Bill Number: S2615 Last Session Bill Number: A674 Impact: This one is particularly dangerous. First of all it allows for "Any person who is licensed in the State of New Jersey to practice psychology, psychiatry, medicine, nursing, clinical social work, or marriage counseling" to be able to act under this bill. Think about it, marriage counsler among others? Read this one, it's scary. A3327 Reduces maximum capacity of ammunition magazines to 10 rounds; exempts Firearms with .22 caliber tubular magazines from 10 round limitation. Identical Bill Number: S818 Last Session Bill Number: A2006 (1R) S993 (1R) Impact: Nothing to be said here, Anything for any reason over 10 rounds (LEO exempt) will be illegal and you have 180 days to get rid of 15 round magazines. A4071 Requires color photo on Firearms identification cards, permits to purchase handgun, and permits to carry handgun. Identical Bill Number: S2496 This one is a royal pain in the ass. Not only on the FID card but also on each purchase permit for a handgun. REGARDLESS of the fact that you must provide a valid government photo id anyway for purchase. How many pictures of a person do you need Mr. Singleton to be sure your looking at the right guy. A4179 Requires Firearms purchaser identification card, permit to purchase handgun, or permit to carry handgun for temporary transfer of firearm at firing range. Identical Bill Number: S2666 That's right, carry your FID card and make sure you don't let anyone without one try out your gun. This law is unlikely to mean anything because LEO generally isn't policing ranges, or are they? A4180 Requires Firearms purchaser identification card, permit to purchase handgun, or permit to carry handgun for use of firearm at firing range. Identical Bill Number: S2667 Same comment as above. A4791 Establishes crime of purchasing components to unlawfully manufacture untraceable Firearms. Better get rid of your 80% lowers. A4913 Increases fee for Firearms purchaser identification card; requires color photo on Firearms purchaser identification cards, permits to purchase handgun, and permits to carry handgun. Identical Bill Number: S3124 Can't require a picture on your FID without charging you more. You will probably be required to go to CVS and buy passport photos anyway. $5 -> $30 A673 Requires Firearms to be unloaded and securely locked or stored within home. Last Session Bill Number: A3752 Oh wait a minute Mr. Home Invader. First I have to unlock my gun, then load it. "Freeze Please". And tell me, under who's authority are you entering my house to see if my gun is loaded? A851 Requires Firearms endorsement on driver's license or non-driver identification card. Last Session Bill Number: A4001 This one is a bear trap. As the law exists now if you are stopped with firearms you are NOT required to produce any documentation that you have a FID or permit to purchase that firearm. That's the law. The firearm serial number may be run by the LEO to determine if it is lost, stolen or used in a crime but that's all. Under the provisions of this law you would be required to produce your driver's license as you normally would be thus alerting the LEO that you may be carrying firearms, probable cause to search to make sure you are transporting in accordance with the law. This one has all kinds of implications. A3707 Establishes a ballistics identifier program for certain Firearms. This one is just plain nuts. No gun can be sold without a "Ballistics identifier" which means an electronic or digitized image of a bullet and shell casing fired by the handgun or rifle that clearly shows the firiing pin, ejection, extraction and land marks for the particular gun. If the manufacturer does not provide certification then the sell has the responsibility to provide the state police with the fiream for ballistics identifier. A3727 Imposes additional five percent tax on sale of Firearms and ammunition to fund safety infrastructure improvements in public buildings. Self explinatory, another tax to line the politicians pockets. A3753 Increases references required for application for handgun permit and Firearms identification card from two to five. Nuts again, check this one out. Here is the noteworthy language: The application shall be signed by the applicant and shall contain the names and addresses of five references, two of which shall be character references from reputable citizens personally acquainted with the applicant, two of which shall be professional references, and one of which shall be from a medical professional licensed in this State. That's right you need your boss, his boss, and a doctor to give you references. Ultimate gun control by deception. A3815 Establishes enhanced penalties for persons who illegally sell or transfer Firearms that are subsequently used in a crime. Try to buy a gun from a dealer now if they are not a certified mind reader. A3884 Imposes gross receipts tax on retail sales of Firearms ammunition and use tax on use of certain Firearms ammunition; establishes "Gun Buyback Fund." Yes another bill to impose another tax. S2630 Reduces the maximum lawful capacity of ammunition magazines; prohibits possession of certain Firearms having a caliber of 50 or greater. This one much like the assembly bill seeks to limit magazine capacity to 10 rounds but also bans 50 caliber (exceptions for muzzle etc). Hey but don't worry, they want to put funding in place to buy back your firearms. I wonder what the state's going rate is right now for a Barrett 50 cal?

There ya go. Happy birthday fellow leathernecks.

I had a couple of hours to kill today. . ...

Liberals playing too much Gears of War. Styx pretty much calls them out on it. Regards, TokenEntry

Thank you fellow vets for your service & may God Bless you, your families & all those who sacrificed so much for our great country & to hell w/ those who take a knee!!!

@MichaelDiggs, shoot the one you got. And, like many of us here, buy another AR or just build one.

Precisely. That's what I did, my first trip down (i.e. my "official move" trip). I packed my car and headed down. The relief I felt when I crossed over the Del. River on I-78 was phenomenal. The only other concern was the brief 10 minutes I had to spend driving through MD on I-81. After that, not a care in the world.

LOL oh thanks somemore good news to start my day

Ahh.....Finally, common sense may prevail after all!

Oh, yes. It certainly is miserable that you have $2k burning a hole in your pocket. How will you ever go on? Ok, I suppose I’m just jealous. Seriously, get what you want, or what you think you need. I wouldn’t base a purchase on future legislation. While we’re sure it’s bad, nobody knows the form. Certainly can’t go wrong with ammo and lowers.

@ nuclearheli, Thanks for the overview.... Just like your sig suggest which of these bills actually target the bad guys? I'm just not seeing it. It just looks like more of the same NJ 2A infringement to me but what do I know.

One thing to remember with these services, just like anything else when there's a catastrophe they will fail. Just like Sandy, how willing are you to be without your phone? Verizon, although the most expensive, does right by their customers by making sure they have service at all cost possible. Most companies' towers have a 4 hour battery backup in case of power loss, Verizon has 8 hour battery backup and generators on top of that to make sure their customers don't lose service. In times like Harvey they dispatch mobile units to provide service and aide. It's not only local, it's global, every catastrophe overseas like the Japan Tsunami etc, Verizon has provided FREE calls from people in the US to those in the affected country. Cheap is great, yes, but for those that preach about stocking food, water, and ammo, also remember communication with family and friends.

Exactly, I fear it's worse than originally thought. Every single bill that was stopped by Christie will be on the Governors desk. He will sign them all.

Cryan will go bat shit crazy proposing new bills. Oliver will push every one of them. UGH!

Bridgewater if he is in Millstone, Somerset County. If in Millstone, Monmouth County then find out what station from Troop C covers that area by calling the Troop C HQ Hamilton (609) 584-5000.

I messed around with the new CZ striker fired gun the P10C the other day. Man, it is nice. I got to dry fire the CZ, and PPQ, a VP9, my Glock 19, a Sig320, and an XD. I want a P10C now desperately. The gun felt amazing and the trigger was the best of the lot. The only hangup for me right now is the lack of duty type holsters.

Ya, if anyone is lusting it’s @Mrs.Zeke

Don't tag me with that lust crap! I only carry/shoot Glocks because I'm not the guy making decisions about duty guns... Yet.

The supreme court will have non of this, go for it Murph.

Gotta work ladies and gents! Catering business make weekends tough to get away. If I can il show up for a few clays. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

On the other hand... Kel Tec Gen 2 9mm $369+$20 S&H https://gunprime.com/product/kel-tec-sub-2000-gen-2-9mm-glock-19-mags-15rd-keltec/

Yes you were misinformed. Springs do not wear out from a mag being stored loaded.

This thread is

I have never seen a .22 semi auto work with .22 shorts. Sure, you could chamber each round manually. I thought the magazine had to reliably feed the weapon. My best guess would be to restrict it from holding more than 15 rounds of .22lr and just forget about how many shorts fit since the rifle would most likely not function with shorts in the fist place. I could be wrong but I don't think I am.

5 rounds. Wonderful. Why not just make it zero rounds so we don't have to pretend what your agenda is any longer?

Well, it's finally done. Final build list: Aero Precision M5E1 15" MLOK build kit in their Northern Lights camo pattern Aero Precision LPK Ballistics Advantage 18" mid-length government profile SS .308 barrel VG6 gamna MB Toolcraft black nitrite BCG JP Enterprises 2 piece adjustable gas block Ergo pistal grip Luth-AR stock BCM gunfighter mod 3 CH Magpul offset BUIS Aero Precision acope mount Vortex Viper HS-T 4-16x44 scope Hoping to get out to the range within the next few weeks

I tend to prefer going on my own most of the time, mainly because it allows me to go at times when there will likely be the fewest random people at the range. The most important advice I can give you is this: If your gun ever jams, make sure to throw it over the wall a few times. Sadly, that IS the private range I belong to...

Fuck football and the national felon league. shoot guns. smell the freedom.

There are female K9s. My little bro is a K9 handler and has a side business as a breeder/trainer out in Missouri. Say hello to Dax.

I’ll bet @Bighungry618 on this one... also

Sounds like the Firearms Unit stuck it to Eric. Pulled (or non-renewed) his PRNJ Retail License which will cause the ATF to yank his FFL. Too bad, I liked Eric. On another note, the former site of Ed's (Tarpy) Gun Shop on Cooper Street in Deptford (Gloucester County) is the future site of "The Arsenal". The owner Tom says he hopes to be open in time for Xmas shopping and will be specializing in what he collects: WWI and WWII weapons and uniforms. Locals like myself are curious to see what he's got.

If you don't have a friend who is an FFL, forget about it. Are you moving to FL without a place to stay? Just ship them to yourself. DONE. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk

Either ship them to yourself, or load up a truck/car with your prized possessions you don't want movers to destroy, and drive them down.

Legally, you can ship a firearm to yourself. https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/0501-firearms-top-10-qaspdf/download see item #6. Personally, I'd suck up the idea of driving and just do it that way.

Yep, the barrels may not have a long life. But unless you are competing and/or going long range, it will be fine as you learn. I have no intentions of spending $5+ grand on a long range precision rifle till I get out of NJ. If your intent is to learn in this manner, go for it. You CAN swap out barrels as mentioned. But don't push yourself to buy one just to be in with the crowd. I gave my favorite Rem 700 Police Sniper Package to a beloved Marine in my family as a welcome home gift... I replaced it with an LWRC REPR. But I still miss my Remmy. I was considering just spending money on a custom rifle. But I Gibb Slapped some sense into my head when Ruger announced the RPR. I really liked the fact that 6.5cm was one of their options. The write ups on the caliber were very good. They mention that it may very well in deed, be the next 308... I read everything I could find on the caliber and liked what I read. Don't take this personally because I see this all to often. I really hate when people ask others to make a decision for them. Nobody really knows what you want/need. All the years here, I never asked anyone to help me decide on something. Google is your friend. I read everything I can. You should too! I've seen so many people buy something based on fad buying or to be cool, just to find out they didn't like what they got. I've bought about 50-60% of everything I got sight unseen. You know what? With all the research I've done, I never regretted anything I bought. I practiced, adapted and over came. So...... Don't buy a RPR just to be with the in crowd. I never fell prey to that nonsense. When we got away from wheel guns decades ago and poly guns were introduced. Everyone said get a Glock, they are great. My rebel arse said, nope! I went HK. Both are great guns, but the point I wanted to make is I didn't want a "Me Too" gun. [emoji15][emoji6] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk