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when I left I had a lot of people tell me things like "oh if everyone leaves no one will be left to fight blah blah blah"... "what happens when there is nowhere left to run to.. " "PA will end up just like NJ" I really like a LOT of the people on this site.. some really good people.. but your all nuts.. all of those statements are true.. but in a very honest way.. I can't worry about that.. because everything that has happened to me since I left has been a positive.. I pay a lot less.. I make more.. I get more for my money.. and guns.. staying living in a place that so opposes every way that I feel was completely impossible.. to be honest.. I left mostly over guns.. everything else was just a bonus.. I was SO tired of this gun being evil because it has a flash hider.. or this magazine being banned because it had one too many rounds.. its RIDICULOUS.. so yeah.. I "ran away" and I don't regret it for one second..

"Leaving on a jet plane, don't know when I'll be back again....." John Denver.... Actually, I will be driving for about 13 hours on our trek to leave this beautiful state. ...and no, I will not be returning again.... Tennessee, here we come. I'm posting this so whomever here think we should stay and fight and in countless threads, people telling me I should stay and fight for our rights. I'm posting this because the many that can stay in fight, should and GodSpeed. But a lot of us are leaving, not just because gun laws and NJ politics. Some of us are getting older and preparing for retirement. My wife and I had deep discussion over this and if we stay here, even our pensions and social security will not enable us to keep paying, paying and more paying. Some examples of living in Tennessee: - Our home insurance here is about $1K a year. TN is about $582 for a brand new home. - Taxes: NJ collects all the taxes you can think of. My home here is on a 40x100 ft lot. My taxes here are about $6500 a year. TN is about $1500 TN collects no State Income Tax. Their sales taxes suck a bit, averaging the collective state and county taxes of about 9.25% Lil' high but you save in a long run. Doesn't mean you have to spend thousands a year. Our biggest sales tax hit will be when we get there and buying all new furniture and such. - Car insurance for 2 brand new leased vehicles cost us almost $2G a year. TN full coverage is $1G for both vehicles. - OK, your favorite. Gun laws... I've had over 5 ccw's here in NJ over the years. Some were job related. Some not. You all, or should I start saying ya'll know the trials and tribulations you are confronting every day in NJ. In TN, they honor almost all states CCWs including Utah. Which I have. That will enable me to carry from the Virginias on out to TN till I get my CCW there. There are no fid or pistol permits persay. Just instant NICS checks. Buy a gun, walk out with it. Once you get your TN ccw which I believe does not take long, you are good to go. Many ranges and gun stores, 2 of which are in the same town. But I will make a day trip to Kentucky Gun which I have done business with over the years. They are only 6% sales tax and are a gun friendly state. - We can live anywhere as long as we get hi-speed internet. My wife is going to be allowed to work from home for the rest of her time employed as long as she has hi-speed internet so she can VPN in to her main office in Oregon. My only criteria is at least an acre and a garage that will be my man cave. I would really like being Bob Lee Swagger and go off grid but you don't get many amenities that way, including a Triple Play Package because if you want land, you are stuck with just a Satellite Dish and that won't cut it. So when we officially retire, we very well may go off the grid a bit. So no backyard shooting till then. - Friends and family. My parents have passed long ago and my siblings are no longer in my eye site. They fall into the turnip category due to jealousy. I've worked hard all my life. If you choose not to, that's on you... My best friend passed away and all others have done what we are doing now. Getting out of this hell hole. All my LEO comrades moved to FL, AZ and other areas and opened up 7-11s.... screw dat! I'd open donut shops! lmao.... So, guess I'll have to make new friends and enjoy what lil time my wife has with her only parent, her dad which will be a mere 14 mile drive. So please, if you see people in which you feel are running from this state because of gun laws, it may not just be about that. I'm tired of fighting for my NJ rights. I did my time here in many facets of life, Civil Defense, Rescue Squads, LEO, CG and many other things.... I don't need to do that, as I have pushed for over 60 years. So that being said, I leave this beautiful state with tears in my eyes. I've lived in my town my whole life. I say 'beautiful state' because it is. It just happens to be ran by criminal scum politicians. The landscape can be city all the way through country living. If you have toured this state as much as I have, there are many beautiful places. By the end of this week, I should be underway and to never look back! So fair well to the friends I have made here, the business relationships and so on. I'd like to think I been helpful over the years and made some sort of difference. For the people who hate or despise me, no harm, no foul. If that is your nature in general, so be it. I won't say I hate you because I am not that kind of person. But all I can suggest is look outside the box. Its not and never will be all about you. I will try to check in from time to time, but we will be knee deep in trying to settle in. Good Luck! Ya'll will need it!

Yes - being NJ born & bred, I feel your pain...it does feel like you're being driven-out of your homeland. We are still looking closely at NEPA - Northeast PA, aka the Poconos - and the more we look, the better we like it!

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Using more than one lubricant on different components where there is the possibility of the lubricants migrating to one another isn't a good idea IMO. The vehicle used in Dri Slide is flammable but evaporates quickly like lighter fluid. What's left is the lubricant, molybdenum disulfide, a metal. It's dry. Nothing there to evaporate or harden up. You can lube up your AR, put it away, and take it out 2 years later and it's ready to go. Heat resistance? Molybdenum Disulfide melts at over 4000 degrees Fahrenheit. You can melt your receiver and the molybdenum disulfide is still there. I've used it on M16s and M4s firing full auto. They get hot quick and stay hot. No problems. I've used it for 50 years to lube ARS/M16s/M4s. If it ain't broke I'm not going to try and fix it!

Might have been me. I started a thread about moving companys when I was looking for one. I went with allied but still moved all my guns myself. Congratulations on your move. My wife and I were both born and raised in NJ and are so happy we left NJ. Sure sometimes we miss family, friends and good Italian food but living here in NH was definitely the best choice for me and my family. Now instead of a bunch of traffic with a bunch of angry people stuck in the "rat race". I get to see Mt.Washington every day on my way to work! Well when it isent covered by clouds anyway. Here's a pic of the view from my daily commute.

@Zeke: When we were at the NJGF gun fair at RTSP, @GRIZ let me shoot the revolver(s) that he had brought, as well as your revolver that I shot. I was not having much success being accurate shooting those revolvers and GRIZ graciously offered to help me with some basic instruction and guidance, sharing his knowledge and experience with me, to correct some basic problematic issues I was experiencing. So we decided to meet at Seminary Ridge at the Gettysburg National Military Park in Gettysburg, PA, with GRIZ wearing gray and me wearing blue, and…….. (well, that would have been a good story……) Actually, GRIZ generously invited me to join him at his club, the Central Jersey Rifle and Pistol Club (CJRPC) in Jackson, NJ. I had never been there before and after his guided tour, I could quickly see what an impressive facility it is for shooting all types of civilian firearms, from handguns, rifles to shotguns, with both indoor and outdoor ranges, along with swimming pool, hot tub, sauna, steam room and well stocked bar, (Ok, maybe I will just have to take GRIZ’s word for those last amenities since I did not actually see them…..). But seriously, from what I saw, it is probably is one of the nicest and most extensive gun ranges in the northeast U.S. and I really enjoyed experiencing it first hand as GRIZ’s guest. IMHO, given the choice of shooting inside vs. outside, I much prefer outside. Less noise reverberation and better ventilation being the primary reasons, but the fact that it was a beautiful, sunny, cloudless day with ambient air temperatures in the high 50’s to around 60 deg. F., made for ideal shooting conditions. Also, going there during the week as opposed to the weekend allowed for much fewer people shooting around us. In the outdoor pistol pits with earthen berm backdrops, we were able to shoot from a distance ranging from 15 ft to 25 ft away, hinged steel bowling pin silhouettes, paper targets, as well as culminating in the spectacular destruction of water-filled plastic jugs, (depending on the ammo used…..). As you and many others already know, GRIZ is a wealth of information and experience regarding most things revolving around firearms, (pun intended….). I really appreciated his willingness, openness and yes, patience, to share all of that with me, focusing on how to correctly and accurately shoot revolvers. I also brought my Wilson Combat Tactical Supergrade 1911 (.45 ACP) for comparison and confidence building. We spent almost the entire afternoon in that pistol pit, blabbing/BS’g about 70% of the time and his giving me invaluable revolver shooting tips for the remaining 30%. I can now confidently report that I know how to properly grip a revolver, (different from my gripping my semi-automatic handguns). I also have a much better idea of the recoil affects and feeling between .38 and 357 MAG ammo and what that may do to one’s accuracy. All in all, I learned much about revolvers and maybe more importantly and enjoyable, GRIZ and I learned more about each other. I firmly believe that once most of us get out from behind the anonymity of faceless screen names, chatting online and meet up face-to-face, that it brings out the common enjoyment of civil human interaction. Being willing and able to lower our online protective shields and refrain from snarky language centered around our political beliefs and concerns, to have very interesting conversations about our mutual or other interests and family backgrounds, is something that I really enjoyed. It also fosters a more normal and gregarious bond between us, by establishing a mutual respect for the person, something that is unfortunately missing in exclusively online exchanges. So thank you again GRIZ for a most enlightening, interesting, educational and enjoyable afternoon as well as our subsequent toasts….. AVB-AMG (was that short enough for you ZEKE...?)

The fugin natives would go full retard... It would truly be a Zombie apocalypse.

Beretta 1301 Update Got the barrel back from being threaded.. Magpul Stock Aridus Stock Adapter Mesa Shell Holder Magpul Sling Surefire Pressure Switch Nordic Extension Magpul Sling Mounts Homemade Light Mount Surefire Scout Light Barrel threaded by Rose Action Sports Briley Chokes blitzkrieg Front Sight (working on building a fiber optic option) Opened loading port

Just passing this on. https://gun.deals/product/larue-tactical-99-mbt-trigger-sale-99

I suppose posting a pic is doable. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

What?! And no pics?! You're a tease! Hope you enjoy it.

^ What they said. Go ahead and buy the 80% lower and ship it right to your house. Go to PA, drill the holes and its now considered a "firearm." If you want to bring it back to Nj to finish or finish it in PA, you are fine to do so. You dont need a serial number right now but the P80 frames come with a little piece of metal that sits exposed inside the picatinny rail. I believe some people have stamped a number into that if they want it serialized.

Really Nice Job !

Congrats on the home! Also moved to Florida, but I have a different cost experience as I am in a more Florida native county, the beaches are free and about 10 minutes away, drive right on. My property taxes dropped $11,000 per year, both were 2400sqft, but I now have my own pool and spa. Insurance costs home/auto are the same, it’s a new home built to tough standards. Food, clothing, shopping is the same, except the people are waaayyy nicer. Going to the range is still weird, I just toss everything on the car seat. Only regret is I should have left sooner.

Sounds like you're coming down with a cough right? COUGHCOUGH... I have my Champion Easybird so we're good. Not sure if anyone else wants to bring any more. Y'all just jinxed us

I recently became a New Jermany Escapee, moving to Florida. We are so happy we made the move. We just got tired of all the political BS and crap being carried out by Trenton. Were also tired of the taxes. We initially rented a house (for four months) and just moved into our home last week. While there are many parts of Florida that are cheaper than where we wanted to be, many costs are comparable or even higher than in NJ. Our home is off a large lake in a gated community in Northern St Johns County which is the richest of the 67 counties with the best schools in Florida. Our home is over 4,000 SqFt with 5 baths and a nice inground pool - so factor that in when you consider costs. Our homeowners insurance is about double what it was in NJ, it is high in FL because of hurricane risk. Our property taxes are about 45% of what they were in NJ, but when you factor in HOA and CDD fees they approach 60% of what they had been. The zero income tax is very nice - make that extremely nice. Food prices, especially fruits and veggies are much higher than NJ. We went into shock when we first got here and found that things like peppers, tomatoes and other veggies were priced the same as NJ for the "each" versus the price per "pound" in NJ. We kept going to stores and refused to make the purchases, and instead bought lots of wine which is cheaper People can't drive here and car insurance is expensive as lots of fender benders. It also drives me crazy that when people want to make left turns they don't pull into the middle of the intersection, rather they sit back at the stop line and when the light turns red rather than complete the turn they just sit there - arg! People in this area are so nice we cannot believe it. When we are out walking the dogs every person that drives by waves, some even stop to say hello. Our neighbors are amazing. The day after we moved in one came up to my wife and said he saw we had two sedans and if we need to pick up any big stuff feel free to come take his big SUV. Another told me he had a 12' step ladder I could use if I ever needed it to change light bulbs. Turns out I already took him up on that as we have over 40 recessed light fixtures many 14' high and I changed out all the old incandescent bulb with new sealed LED trims. Guns, well almost everyone has one, or many many more. The guy across the street has over 100, and we live in a very upscale area - no rednecks. Just about everyone has one in the car, and while carry permits are almost automatic you actually do not need one to have a loaded gun in the glove box as long as it is in a holster or case. If you have a permit you can have it just sitting on your lap as you drive. Have to admit strange going to USPSA matches where people shoot 9mm PCC with mags that hold 59 rounds. NEVER EVER EVER would I live in the Socialist People's Republic of New Jermany again.

John...would love to talk about moving dem guns.... maybe to email when you get settled...you know how to find me... May the sun be on your face and the wind at your back on this leg of the journey.... keep it all in the rearview mirror.... enjoy freedom....

Good luck to you John! Hope you settle well in TN, glad I got the chance to meet you and shoot with you a bit. Please check in and let’s us know how you’re doing.

And now the tides have changed. You can buy an AR for 400 bucks and most decent AK's are close to a grand or more.

when ARs were $1000.. and AKs were $400.. I understood why people went with AKs..

That’s what you hope she says

Best of luck John. Happy for you and you wife. I really like TN, but we have another decade here in NJ.

sure right.. tape switch.. push button.. its always my weak thumb.. shotgun carbine.. whatever..

Switchology matters. If you can’t operate your light intuitively, it’s in the wrong spot. If I have a tape switch, I prefer light on the right side - think 1 o’clock if the front sight is noon. I then like to mount the tape switch (preferably a switch with both constant and momentary on abilities) where my support thumb (I’m a righty) can easily reach it and my right thumb can also reach it if necessary. If I don’t have a tape switch and am using a clock tailcap, then the light goes at 11 o’clock so my support had thumb can activate the light using the switch on the ass end of the light body. My right thumb can still come over the top and activate the light of necessary (if I switch shoulders).

Not if it’s right near the muzzle.. yes if it’s further back like on an oldd school carbine.. on on old carbine where muzzle is at 16in and light may only be at 7in due to a shorter handguard.. it’s easier for the light to end up behind a barrier when mounted on your weak side.. this is the same problem with 6 o’clock mount.. coming over the top of a barrier the light could easily end up behind the barrier.. if light is right near the muzzle then no it doesn’t really matter.. I prefer to not use a remote switch.. but with this gun.. due to the layout there was no better option.. Most of my carbines are light far forward no remote mounted weak side..

Because I prefer to activate with my thumb.. I normally run my thumb high on the forend so it’s very natural to slide down to engage the switch.. As far as the light on the right.. I am right handed which means the bulk of my body is to the left of the gun.. so if I am shooting from behind a barrier I want the barrier to block my body but not the light.. running it on the right accomplishes that..

Um, I jus clicked the link... not a Facebook member.

Too long!

Good thing I ain’t taking a jet..... [emoji6] Thanks guys...... [emoji16] Leaving early Friday for the hotel ~0400.... then chilling and enjoying some quiet time while waiting for the truck. BTW, as mentioned early on in other threads, Allied Movers have been great so far and are firearms friendly...... [emoji106][emoji2532] Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Happy Halloween. Cigar is the Asylum 13 Medulla Oblongata Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

The point is that I shouldn't have to either joln FB or seek out someone that is a member. Entities that think everyone belongs to FB forget they may alienate the remainder of us. I think social media is the scourge of civilization. Forums are as far as I go. Sorry. Adios, Pizza Bob

If the legislated away crazy would that not mean that they get rid of themselves. Uh oh am I going to get in trouble for quoting the Bible?

i'm assuming that's the right twix, not the left.

I needz to go get me some twix!

Most silicon lubes boil at about 400 degrees Fahrenheit. While you might get by using then on a handgun I think a bolt on an AR gets at least that hot during rapid fire.

I used to use reg gun oil, But then i came across SLip2000 EWL and never looked back. I perfer this over reg oil, as it sticks and last longer in my opinion. I can clean and lube and let the ar sit threw winter and when i go back to the range after winter its still lubed and ready for some freedom rings.

I'm never in here but maybe it's time for a change.

LMFAO

It’s rough right now. Packed boxes all over and tripping all over them. Seeing decades of life going somewhere else. My home has been in my family for close to a century. I was born here. I grew up here. Used coal from the furnace for my snowmen. It broke my heart when my best friend died before his time. He was a hard working angel with a heart of gold. That put me over the edge. I want to live just a little longer than him. Still have a mission. We tried leaving this state twice before. Now everyone is gone. [emoji20] Lots of memories here.... I know I will be starting over. I’m not a drinker anymore and happy with an occasional beer. Wife is a wine person. Essentially, just want peace and quiet and I couldn’t even get that here with Rt 80 staring at my bedroom window about a half mile away. Before it was there, it was the Erie Lack Railroad. I love trains. Still do. Sunday’s were quiet but Jersey is getting like NYC where traffic never sleeps. I go out early on weekends to get breakfast or hit Home Depot before the mania starts. I’m on Rt 46 or 80 early where nobody is on the roads. BUT like clockwork, some jackass flies past me doing 80. I’m not overly religious but I do believe that the man upstairs got it right when he made Sunday, a day of rest. Just where the hell are you going that requires waking up a cop with radar that early. Wake up. Take your time. Relax.... You’ll live longer! As the move gets closer, I feel my heart ripping out. It hurts. I’ll miss a lot of people. My Leo buds from my dept. My neighbors that I do like and so on. On a better note, my wife will be closer to her dad for his final times on earth. I can learn to relax and perhaps start fishing after not for decades. Maybe buy another motorcycle. But my memories will be engrained forever in this small town. Thanks again folks. Appreciate it. [emoji20][emoji26] A little something from my garden for ya’ll.... I dedicated them to my grandma (passed long ago), my wife’s mom (also passed) and my current best friend and wife. All of which love(d) their gardens. Maybe some of those words can make a difference in your lives. [emoji17] Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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Agreed this is legal if you “manufacture” the lower in another state where it is legal and transport back into NJ following NJ handgun transport law. I’ve consulted PA lawyer Joshua Prince and he verified it’s legal for a non-prohibited NJ resident to come into PA to manufacture a firearm. I don’t believe a serial # is required if you’re not selling the firearm, however FYI if you do want a serial # this retailer will engrave one on an 80% handgun frame before shipping it to you: https://www.righttobear.com/80-percent-glock-1911-pistol-frames-s/2006.htm

Doubt wax would be an issue with your powder. Gunpowder and wax get along, always have. Lead bullets are coated with wax. Dies are lubricated with wax during resizing. Wax is about as inert as it gets.

The only public one's I know of over 200 yds are 3hrs away. CJRPC in NJ has 200 and 300 yards. I had no problem joining and as long as I send my check I haven't been bothered by anyone to do anything. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

2017 New Jersey Revised Statutes TITLE 2C - THE NEW JERSEY CODE OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE Section 2C:39-3 - Prohibited weapons and devices. https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2017/title-2c/section-2c-39-3/ f. Dum-dum or body armor penetrating bullets. (1) Any person, other than a law enforcement officer or persons engaged in activities pursuant to subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, who knowingly has in his possession any hollow nose or dum-dum bullet, or (2) any person, other than a collector of firearms or ammunition as curios or relics as defined in Title 18, United States Code, section 921 (a) (13) and has in his possession a valid Collector of Curios and Relics License issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, who knowingly has in his possession any body armor breaching or penetrating ammunition, which means: (a) ammunition primarily designed for use in a handgun, and (b) which is comprised of a bullet whose core or jacket, if the jacket is thicker than.025 of an inch, is made of tungsten carbide, or hard bronze, or other material which is harder than a rating of 72 or greater on the Rockwell B. Hardness Scale, and (c) is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree..... (2) a. Nothing in subsection f. (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land, ....

I was given a case of Break Free CLP bottles along with a 1 gallon jug in the late 1980's that I got from a friend that was an armorer. This is the original Teflon stuff and that is what I use for lubing my guns (except for grease on the reveiver of the Garand, M1A and Mini14). I prefer Hoppe's solvent for cleaning. Never had an issue with this combination. I have tried some of the newer wonder lubes and was not impressed enough to switch.

@GRIZ: I seem to recall from an earlier post of yours that you had used Breakfree CLP for quite a long time, before you switched to something else? Whatever works for you and has worked for you is fine.... As you point out, modern science and technology has and will continue to generate "new and improved" products for this purpose. For those who are curious, there are numerous products on the market that are made specifically to Clean, Lubricate and Protect (CLP) firearms, as well as lubricants intended for other applications, (i.e. Mobil 1 synthetic motor oil). Most of them work just fine for firearms and the important thing is to use them on a regular basis. Yet, I am also aware that over lubrication can be worse than no lubrication, as it can collect debris and cause fouling internally and potentially lead to a malfunction. I was taught that how you lubricate your firearm really depends on two important variables: one is what the environmental conditions are when you are shooting and the other is just how tight the fit is of the moving parts of the gun. Historically and generally speaking, grease has performed better in hot and wet conditions whereas oil seems to work better in very cold conditions, where some grease can turn into the consistency of bubble gum. For storage, grease seems to be preferred since it is a better rust inhibitor. So that, along with a thin coat of silicone on the metal exterior parts will usually combat the natural corrosiveness of humidity over time. FWIW, my preference is to use separate products to clean, lubricate and protect my firearms, instead of using one product that claims to do all of the above (CLP), such as Ballistol multi-use spray or Break Free CLP. While these products may work fine for some folks, I do not believe that one size fits all. I find it hard to believe that one product will do as good a job of cleaning, lubricating and protecting all parts of a firearm, as compared to different products that are formulated to do one specific task and do it really well. AVB-AMG

I run grease and oil. If it slides, it gets a touch of grease. If it spins or rotates, it gets oil. Do I have to use grease? No but I have noticed it stays put longer where oil has a tendency to blow off.