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Okay... so where do we start. 1. The law prohibiting 30 round magazines passed A LONG LONG LONG time ago. The law just passed limited the capacity to 10 vs 15. 2. You are not going to find an FFL who is stupid enough to risk their license to sell you an illegal magazine. Beyond that, you can't be serious right? You come on to a community as a relative newbie and ask people how you can break the law? And I am just wondering.... "are you for real?" Because either... 1. This is a liberal troll trying to prove gun owners are stupid... In which case this is really stupid, or. 2. You are seriously asking in which case, and I say this with the utmost respect.... You're an idiot. No one is going to help you break the law, perhaps some gang bangers on the corner in Camden or Newark will know... or if you really want to know, visit 125 W. State Street, Trenton, NJ 08608 or call 609-292-6000. They may be able to help.

Any detachable magazine with a capacity higher than 10 rounds is illegal in the state of New Jersey.

You are all missing the point they are now charging a fee to exercise a constitutional right that shall not be infringed. Even $2 is illegal.

Everything in this thread and more needs to fall under one giant "not to infringe" decision by the SCOTUS. Every move is admittedly by this administration an infringement.

Almost the entire state house is up this November. If people will wake up and vote a turn over would render The Beav impotent.

Exactly what they want to do. make it more expensive so you don’t want to exercise your rights. This is about making it more expensive for the dealer and the consumer. If 50 is in fact the final number they pass for each permit handgun sales in Nj will plummet as people will get one instead of 2 or 3. I think the goal is 2 parts 1. Make it more expensive to purchase and make it more difficult and expensive to obtain permits and fid cards. 2. Make it more expensive to operate as an FFL while limiting the ability to sell guns and ammunition by making it more expensive for the consumer. While some will find a solution by not buying guns in Nj (as was recommended by the owner of this forum) it’s not a solution for handguns. It will also open up another door for the left to make it illegal to purchase a rifle out of state and transported to NJ. If you think the left will not continue to learn how people will get around these stupid laws think again. Once they are able to limit out of state pickups of firearms they will then go after transfers of firearms into Nj. Can you imagine if they made a tax/fee with sliding scale on out of state purchases based on msrp of the firearm being transferred that the ffl must collect at time or transfer. Their end game is to limit ownership and sales of firearms to Nj residents.

In before the lock. Hey Phil is that you.

Murphy is just a Democratic asshole that was voted in by asshole Democratic New Jersey voters Tax and Spend, then tax again, typical Democratic operation.

Sounds fair

He reminds me of some people on here.

Speaking as an FFL I personally do not need this. I do not live on my FFL money. Sure i do well with it but that comes with hard work. I can close up shop tomorrow and have little effect on my lifestyle. I do this 3 hours a day because i like gun people... I like the political debates.... The conversations about nonsense (yesterday's was about American Cheese not being real cheese and proof). I find it enjoyable. I find the people enjoyable.. If my worst fears came true and they turned FFL's in to revenue collectors and make this more of a hassle i would no doubt consider closing shop. I don't want to be the guy who tells someone... You own me $124.44 for state gun transfer taxes on top of the 40.00 nics and transfer. I refuse to become the enemy which is exactly what some of these laws will make me.

There is a breaking point... What that point is no one knows... Is it a 50.00 permit fee? $400.00 non existent carry permit fee or the fact we pay the highest property taxes in the nation... If $15000 - $20000 a year in property taxes on a regular house (not ultra Rich) did not do it will a permit fee be the breaking point... I doubt it. Even with all this we will have a voting block that lazy and uninformed. Just so you know.... Its been many months since the mag limit was signed and we still get people asking "If" the law changed... This is one of the scariest thing you can imagine.... They are so uninformed or Ignorant they dont even know they are felons by default. 1 minute ago, Bowling Ball said: 100%.... those of us who have worked our entire lives to build what we have do not want to see it vanish... The government is very efficient at destroying people over some stupid shit. (General Flynn is a great example), They will use tactics only seen in non free nations to force compliance. Its the main reason law abiding people never Riot, Continue to pay extreme taxes without representation and follow all laws regardless of how we personally feel about them. We even follow laws we know are unconstitutional.

Ok, enough fun and excitement. Boys and girls, don't be an idiot asking in a law abiding community how to break the law.

Expire? Who lets them expire? Now there’s a thread.

He is anti-gun, prove me wrong.

I put in for 3 P2Ps today for 6 bucks. I can only speak for myself but I will never pay $150 for those same 3 permits! Buying a handgun is my Constitutional right as a law abiding American citizen and I should not be charged any amount to exercise that right. I went along with the $2 charge since $2 is a joke. $50 is no joke and I won't ever pay it if it passes. I will simply expand my long arms collection and live with the hand guns I already have!

I think the large issue is that they sure as heck know it is now a financial burden. Think about it, $100 for FID, $20 - $60 for background checks/prints, then $50 for pistol permits + $16 for NICS... you are over $200 for just looking to exercise your rights.

We can lock this thread now.

Interesting

I got $400 can i get my carry permit tomorrow?

Deminksy & Doyle were talking about the radio today. The wild part that everyone forgets is that most of these "fees" are unconstitutional on their face. When they were $2 here and $5 there, I don't think many people (outside of a few here) cared. I'd love to see SCOTUS strike down the entire evil schedule of fees.

I informed the Boss about batteries , Thanks . Found info on the other 2 mags . The are Tula 1st Rib style from the early 60s .

Then maybe, just *MAYBE* - we need a second battle of Trenton "Battle of Athens" https://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm

My intention for the R14 club was for paid members to have a place to arrange meet-ups and receive notifications. Also, for members to talk about things relevant only to members. But, because R14 is a public range, Maks thought it would be more appropriate to leave the club open so that non-members could participate. If forum members come along and pollute the club page, I will have to ask Maks to change the page to a closed members only page. For now, though, I think it's better to promote participation and encourage members to post meet-ups for all who are interested, whether member or guest. Non R-14 members are encouraged to participate, but, if non-members' join with the sole intention troll the range, Maks will deal with it if we cross that bridge.

Actually, @Maksim, it seems a bit confusing. You've set up both a Clubs page and a Range page for the same facility. At a quick glance, someone may not understand which page to make their post. Since there's a lot of Post and Run that goes on, I think you're going to get the wrong type of post in the wrong area (complaints on the Club page instead of on the Range page).

They do it with Handguns.. They can require "registration" of long guns as well... NJ can attempt to make all guns not Registered in NJ illegal hence requiring you to have ALL guns regardless of where you purchased them handled by an FFL or NJSP retail firearms lic holder. What would stop them from requiring the FFL to value that firearm based on MSRP for example and tax it at that point. Im not saying it will happen or if it would even pass court challenge what i'm saying is never doubt what they will do for gun control and money grab. Never ever put it past these people regardless if its constitutional. It seems in NJ the constitution has little meaning since most NJ courts will ignore it and the Supreme Court seems to have little care for the people of NJ... this has been proven time and time again. The left will do anything for the end result.. I think it's "The End Justifies the Means". That statement tells the tale.

I really do hope they try to make a law like that... as I really do doubt that NJ would even see that as Constitutional. NJ can not enforce a law outside of their jurisdiction. I would think that would be one of the first gun laws struck down by NJ courts. Even with an FFL-03, the standard is firearms acquired outside of your state must be compliant with all applicable laws (Federal, if they wave stamps due to C&R status; State; local). If Federal law allows citizens (non-FFLs) to buy long guns out of state, that state (let’s say PA or DE) would have to put a law in place to ban NJ residents from acquiring firearms within the state. NJ doing it would be pointless. Would be like saying NJ residents cannot carry outside of NJ... no matter of permits or individual state laws (Constitutional Carry). Or they would really have to tighten down on transportation law... be even still, as long as you drive straight home from the border (if you have an FFL that would transfer without FID; and same situation occurs when I purchase a handgun out of state), what law are you breaking? “Reasonable deviation” doesn’t apply out of state, so you are technically driving from gun shop to home... even if you stop at a strip club in PA (judging PA firearm laws are respected). Legally acquired firearm, being brought home. As long as you don’t have something like an M1 Carbine... there is nothing I can see as wrong. Feel bad for what NJ gun owners/FFLs are going to have to face... but I’m less than a month out. If everything works out, I hopefully will have anywhere between 25 to 90 acres to mess around on... with less of a monthly mortgage/taxes than some people here pay just in taxes.

USA vs Kettler might be heard by the SCOTUS. The case is against the NFA, the basis being that it is a tax on a right. If it's granted certiorari, we may win. I feel that might help us in nj long term.

The cost of a P2P could be a significant portion of the cost of a new handgun.. 5-15%. That sounds like an undue burden to me.. especially since it is specific to handguns.

THAT is essentially the problem, and what theu r trying to achieve and if you do THAT they have won... Just like the plays from the war agaisnt big tobacco playbook The scuttlebutt is that is it going to be reduced for leo to 150 and they are crying about that

This about sums it up.

Yeah! That's Zeke's Job!

Unfortunately, that means they have won. I don't know if I can do that. I am not saying what you would do is right or wrong, just that I wouldn't do it.

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I was going to post the same as I was reading this in bed last night but my tin foil hat was all the way across the room and I didn't want to get out of bed. But seriously, I'm all for streamlining the process. Ideally we should just be able to walk in to a store, say I want that one, have the FBI NICS check completed and walk out. BUT this new system seems to put all the information a few key strokes away in one place no?. The old way there is a paper trail but it's just that. A paper trail. And it's over hundreds (thousands?) of local PDs across the State.

I get that it's pretty easy to circumvent the rules and save some bucks. As a matter of quantitative risk analysis, I'd say it's low probability that something would go wrong, but high risk if it does. I'm sure you're shipping to an FFL/licensee and everything about the transaction is legit, but not telling the carrier is violating federal law and a black mark no gun owner wants to have on his record. That'll shut anyone down and get all your toys taken away. Not worth it to me. Do we know that carriers don't randomly X-ray packages?

i had already resigned myself to never buy another firearm as a nj resident. i will hopefully soon have a residency established in another state, and i will make all my buys under their laws. fuck nj. the only thing that's gonna be accomplished by keeping the russian thing going that long will be to keep trumps name in the news every day....and help cement his win in 2020.

Gunbroker has 3 for around 1200+. The one on Armslist, the guy is asking 1975. I didn't pay that much. Mostly because I can't. Nor would I, honestly. Very few handguns are worth that to me.

We are not morons, are you suggesting that we are morons? We know what the truth is, we are fully aware of the situation. You are NOT the smartest person in the room just because you moved to PA for some temporary relief. What are you going to do when the Dems take over PA, how are you going to deal with the spread of cancer when it arrives there? PA is already in stage 3. Will you run again? Cowards run, until thee is nowhere left to run, then they have to face REALITY and eventually fight. There's a quote from something, dunno where it comes from. "You can run, but you will just die tired".

#34 WINTER HOG HUNT A HUGE SUCCESS & RAY AND I HAD A GREAT TIME! AND WE STILL HAVE AT LEAST ONE OPENING FOR SAT. 4-27 HOG HUNT!!! CNJFO HOG HUNTERS HELP FUND 2A LAWSUITS & BRIEFS! SOCIAL FUNCTIONS RAISE THOUSANDS FOR US ANNUALLY! by Black Wire Media Monday March 4, 2019 www.cnjfo.com/join-us The Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners is very proud to announce an extremely successful Hog Hunt yesterday on Mohr's Island in Bainbridge, PA. The Hunt will help fund our ongoing matching funds campaigns to defend our 2nd Amendment right to carry lawsuits and participation in various Friend-of-the-Court (Amicus) Briefs. We organize these fun excursions, and with the help of our members, hunters, vendors & sponsors, are able to earmark much needed funds to battle the onslaught of bad gun laws NJ residents are constantly being hammered with. Kudos & congratulations to all of our hunters for your 2A support. All NJ gun owners should JOIN or donate: www.cnjfo.com/Donate CNJFO's PORKTASTIC HUNT #1 IS IN THE BOOKS! HUNTING FUNDS EARMARKED FOR LAWSUITS! by Black Wire Media Monday March 4, 2019 www.cnjfo.com/join-us This photo story contains harvested animals, so viewer discretion is advised. The Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners hosted their first Hog Hunt for the season yesterday at Mohr's Island in Bainbridge, PA. Thirteen hunters braved the snow-covered 150 acre island in the middle of the Susquehanna River to help raise funds to fight NJ's oppressive gun laws. CNJFO has raised thousands of dollars used to fund current lawsuits & Amicus Briefs by hosting these Patriot Hunts for several years, proving that some hunters care about the 2nd Amendment! Folks from all over NJ came to hunt with the Coalition yesterday, and Old Man Winter was nipping at our heels as we delivered our harvests to the Butcher with snow & rain starting to fall. Originally postponed from January 20th's FOG emergency, we were all glad that this hunt was completed. The harvested prime specimens that will feed their families for months to come were taken to CNJFO sponsor V. Roche & Son Butchers in Whitehouse Station, NJ for expert processing. The Coalition's next Hog Hunt will take place on Saturday April 27th, and yes WE HAVE AN OPENING, so get on the official WAIT LIST if you wish to JOIN THE HUNT: www.cnjfo.com/event-3128884 . CNJFO hereby thanks Henry Repeating Arms, NRA-ILA, ANJRPC, and NJ Concealment Furniture for donating the raffle prizes, and GunForHire's Anthony Colandro for donating Goody Bags filled with GunForHire swag for each hunter. EDITOR's NOTE: Colandro has supported the Coalition since its' inception, and he could use your bullet vote, so 5-Year & Life Members look for your NRA Board of Directors ballot in your February NRA magazine! https://gunforhire.com/colandro-for-nra/

If noting else it will wake the Fudds up. They sat around on their lame asses for decades saying "gee, I only hunt wabbits with my shotgun, none of this concerns me" Well, guess what, now it concerns everyone!

You should never have to get refingerprinted. Your PD is too lazy to get your file from your previous PD.

Strider, You won't find anyone on this board that will advise you turning a firearm in to the police. There are much more beneficial to you methods of disposing of it legally, like selling it for several hundred dollars instead of getting a $25 gift card at a buy back. Furthermore, selling it to another supporter of the 2a is better for our community than having it destroyed and touted by the anti-gun community as another "military grade assault rifle" off the streets. Don't allow it to become a statistic for their benefit.

they better arrest and hit this asshole with the full measure of the law. Better yet, I believe in vigilantism and hope he is subject to this

wow. what happend here... this thread has turned... well "special", yea we will go with that. .22LR is the best caliber to practice the fundamentals of marksmanship etc. that being said, im with some of the others, i fn hate shooting it. i keep getting out of .22, and i know another one is in my future, because when it comes time to teach the fundimentals of shooting with the boys, 22LR. I have spent hours pinking with a .22, and if i could walk out of my house and shoot, i would plink alot more with .22, and i wish i could, but no, for the limited amount that i get to shoot now a days i really dont want to spend it with a 22. I should but i dont. I spend as much time as i can with my go to weapons platforms, then get my hands on anything i can to shoot for familiarity. Everyone has a different path, maybe we'd have bigger numbers if well threads didnt go like this. and im guilty of it too at times, dont get me wrong. and if we really want to go debating the lethality of .22 it all comes down to 3things SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT and SHOT PLACEMENT. you can kill someone with .22 and you can fail at shooting yourself with 22 (i read a thing by former sabers goaltender Clint Malarchuk the other day, has his failed attempt on my mind) , just depends on where it goes