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I’d have to suspect that since these people won’t go quietly, they’ll slow roll any process. Not an expert, but I’d have to suspect that they won’t just wipe every law from the books - they’ll wait for each and every one to be scrutinized however it is, and require each one to have a costly assessment, even if scrutiny is applied correctly and implemented at the lowest possible level. Its like suing an at-fault party that is insured - they’ll work to make everyone bleed. They’re trained to get to the jury trial, because they know it’s the most costly approach and not worth it to most to invest the effort. In this case the rights grabbers will try to make everyone bleed because their backers have deep pockets.

We haven't had a 2a case get cert in a long time. We've also had similar cases to ones that they keep kicking the can on get dropped and thus upheld. So why? The new court composition could be willing to play referee on every minute firearms law in total contradiction to their previous statements that they didn't want to do that. I don't see the court composition shift making that kind of change. Therefore when having granted cert, they must have been intending to provide a ruling that would alter the status quo. But how? 1) The unthinkable has happened, and they are going to nullify the second with a totally shitty decision by officially lowering the bar to rational basis. For this, you need Roberts, Gorsuch, or Kavanaugh to side with the lefties on the bench. To which you will probably go "don't trust Roberts, obamacare... grumble grumble." Yeah, he's the least hard to envision flipping, but I don't see that happening. The 2nd is an amendment, and the core tenants of obamacare are established case law, namely that the government can tax you, that they can regulate industries, and that they can provide health insurance to the public. Essentially eliminating an amendment wholesale is not his shtick. This is possible but not probable. For it to be probable, you would have had to have Kennedy being solidly aligned with the right side of the court in previous events, and every legal scholar being wrong about him. 2) Fully endorse the dressing up of rational basis as intermediate scrutiny. NY wins, and wins more than accepting mootness would do. This is basically a slightly different version of #1. You'd have to have events since granting cert flip someone. I would argue this is the more probably version of bad news than #1. I still consider it unlikely as I'm pretty sure there is enough dislike of how the court was treated in this case and with the lower courts thumbing their nose that you could build coalitions to grant mootness. I honestly don't see the left side of the court wanting to do this because it undermines the law and can be used against the rulings they like. If they can't get #1, I'd see them preferring #3 Whoever caved from what appears to be a solid 2a 5 vote block would probably prefer #3 too as it would have all the effect they want and much less chance for backlash. 3a) Tacitly endorse the dressing up of rational basis as intermediate scrutiny, but only for the 2nd amendment. Basically this would be that coalition building from #2 to avert disaster. We "win" small but lose big in the long run because they accept mootness at oral arguments. The 2nd would be dead absent resorting to the ammo box in dealing with an out of control government. 3b) They will leave the bar where it is at intermediate scrutiny, and just decide this case without moving the bar at all. Except why do that? You could have just upheld it or accepted mootness. I regard this as the much more likely outcome of a judge flipping and needing to mitigate crisis. They vote for a win, but a very, very small win. One can argue that this is how Kennedy fucked RKBA in the past. To wind up here you have to flip someone or it was really Roberts fucking us. Either way we are screwed long term except in the most egregious of cases. Those will likely never go to court but be pushed back saying wrong conclusion try again. 4) We win. They hold the line on intermediate scrutiny, but to avoid endorsing the ongoing fuckery of the lower courts they provide a legal test. This could swing anywhere from a mild win to a big win. It all depends on the test. IMO this occupies the middle of the bell curve of probable outcomes. Worst case we get a test that really only provides strong protections "within" the home. So lots of ammo for purchasing and possessing, but not carrying. Bigger win is it would clearly and soundly apply to bearing arms outside the home in a positive way in addition to purchasing and possessing. 5) Kennedy was a bigger problem than we knew, and Gorsuch and Kavanaugh were bigger wins than we thought, and Roberts isn't being blackmailed and is a bigger friend to the 2nd than was previously clear, and we get strict scrutiny. Technically any of them is possible. Like I said, I believe some variant of 4 is most probable. I believe that if we get a decision that puts forth strict scrutiny that the licensing and regulation of carry outside the home will be explicitly stated as a compelling state interest. Even if that is so, I suspect that will end the argument of "less guns on the street is best" as it is not narrowly tailored. Will it benefit NJ? We have crap gun laws, thus in theory even a legal test at the less stringent end of the spectrum, if the test is not garbage, should provide us some relief. In 4 and 5, we still have to contend with the garbage that is the NJ court system. However it may rain in our circuit court some. If it doesn't it effectively puts them on a fast track to being smacked by scotus as they can now just hand it back down saying your conclusion is incorrect based on precedent without having to go to oral arguments. things I see as potential mitigating factors even though some of them probably shouldn't be: - the mass shootings between when this started and oral arguments. -the proliferation of red flag laws. -SCOTUS being threatened by congress. -the health of RBG -The sentiment behind the slow demise of cheveron deference. -BATFE playing fast and loose with administrative interpretations of things. -the desire to shut a future court out of defining RKBA -the desire to preserve a future court's ability to define RKBA -the fact that large swaths of DNC controlled state governments are pushing laws that ignore explicit rulings in Heller.

Latest update to the California repeater story: https://sites.google.com/site/arrlsacvalley/?fbclid=IwAR07aJoqSz89dNE6Ax_rq-eFRRUkaOJeTu9Z90WOSfAtDaRFEhO_3eTs_Do#calfire

This has probably come up before. Just link if it has please. Man time really does fly. I cannot believe it but I think it’s gonna be 3 years. Jesus is that possible? As soon as the kid got to 2 and became “needy” all the free time just disappears.. poof. I had a good reason to take the first year off. The kid. Then the second year excuse was I was gonna wait for the GFH range to to completed for members only area. Now I can’t believe Another year is gonna go by. So interesting to note the finger print vault for the HG battery lasted a year when I opened it to ditch the 15s. I just replaced it. But the LG vault I haven’t even attempted in probably 2 years. Is it just like riding a bike? Yeah my eyes are probably worse. Has anybody here taken off an extended period of time? I think I was a pretty darn good shooter. Bunch of training and I even used to hit some steel on Sunday nights but man I cannot believe that was almost 3 years ago. PS. And what’s crazy is I still paid the dues on GFH and NJ Trap the entire time.

Case heard in December. Results announced in June. Potentially immediately ramifications for the cases already in the courts (3 from NJ I think). So maybe those are resolved by this time next year. Other will take significantly longer as they work through a lower court that doesn’t want to abide by this ruling.

The 9th Circuit is holding Young vs Hawaii pending this case... Ask yourself, what does Open carry have to do with locked and unloaded transport in NYC? Even the 9th is thinking they will set a strict scrutiny. I'm overly optimistic, but we've been a long way since coming this close to a win! NYC doesn't stand a chance in oral arguments, they defended this law for almost a decade as constitutional.

In my travels making appearances as a #2AHeavyLifter I often find myself going to ranges w/o a gun. I do a LOT of mentoring and folks always ask me to shoot their guns, which I do. Then I often mentor their stance, grip, trigger squeeze, sight picture, breathing, etc., and they get tighter groups. Then they tell their friends, and the story repeats itself. I probably shoot less than I used to, but have competed in USPSA & IDPA using friends' guns, ammo, etc. (at their insistence!) and scoring decently. It's like riding a bike to me. I try to shoot clays 2-3x a month. In a weekend I've visited up to four ranges/clubs, and shot at most of them. I belong to a private club (Old Bridge) that has an outdoor as well as an indoor range facility. Sometimes I just show-up w/ a cigar & hang-out chatting & shaking hands. Last weekend I was open carrying at Rod of Iron Freedom Festival at Kahr Arms. Met Alan Gottlieb (we were set-up in an adjacent booth) & he donated cases of his two books to us as a thanks for doing a great job in NJ. This Thursday I'll be at Gun For Hire w/ Tony Simon as a volunteer at his Diversity Shoot. I'll shoot a few rounds in a quick drill, but I'm not there to shoot, I'm there to mentor. For $20 you get pizza, use of the guns, ammo & your port fee covered. In the days prior to the Coalition, I never went to the range when I wasn't competing, 'cept to guest-in an occasional friend. I've competed in a ton of shooting disciplines, and once belonged to three clubs at the same time. So every weekend I'd be shooting a different league, and I'd try to shoot clays during the bidness week. The leagues are full of great people. Like you show up w/o a thing & suddenly you're invited to shoot the league & loaner stuff & ammo gets dumped into yer lap. ~R

8 years. (from birth til my 1st pellet gun)

Tried to agree, like, and laugh to your post @Smokin .50 but only could do one.

Maybe it's time for a test to get in here? I'm tired of being "probed by ALIENS"... Meaning, you don't ask a question & then just LURK like a JERK! You get involved. The last couple of months seem to have been quite interesting in terms of new people having advanced questions requiring complicated answers. Take this one for instance. The FFL that transferred the rifle to the OP would be the FIRST person to ask about display modes, storage, etc., wouldn't they? I just washed my blue jeans. Is it OK if I hang them on the clothes line to dry or do I need special permission from the Chief of Police? The store where I bought the jeans gave me free laundry soap , 100' of rope & clothes pins. So is it REALLY ok to use them? ~R

I'm at TTC once a month anyway for The Well-Armed Woman (TWAW) chapter meeting... sometimes there a 2nd time for a different ladies event, and the other weeks get filled in when my uncle guests me into his range (Philipsburg). It's a cobbled together schedule at the moment... and probably not the wisest use of my money. I just haven't had time to set up a more budget-conscious plan. For instance, I really need to start getting to the outdoor range I already belong to before it gets too miserably cold, which will happen quickly. And, to boot, I never even looked at the "deal" that TTC was offering SCFGPA members while the range is closed... maybe it's good? I should look that up, as I may be throwing my money away (stupidly) by paying full price at TTC... I mean it's a nice range, but certainly not cheap!

I'm moving in the opposite direction... getting more and more consistent with my shooting schedule. When I first started, I'd shoot every 4-8 weeks or so, now I rarely miss a week... usually shooting once per week, sometimes twice. I even had a day not long ago where I hit 2 ranges in one day, lol... that was a "personal best". That said, you need to give yourself a real "pass" when you've got young kids as you do. Those little ones will suck up your time like little Hoover vacuum cleaners, lol. Forgive yourself! That said, now that you've noticed the big time-gap... you need to get to the range... STAT!

The same info they already have?

Yea. and all of them are wanting.

Except, in BOTH of the threads he started, he got a bunch of answers, and still hasn't come back with any follow-up posts to show if he's legit.... So......

Going to the orientation meeting this Sunday, should be all signed up!

He may be distracted by picking paint colors and new carpets for a week or so. It came out today that he’s spending $1MM of our money On a new office in Newark. Whats that, you say? Newark isn’t the capitol of NJ? And the governor already has a lavish office there, just a short hop away? Well, yeah, but Murphy defended the move by saying that Gov Cuomo has offices in Albany and NYC, as if that justifies anything

@voyager9 has everyone beat... jus sayen