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I've been noticing some things lately that I wanted to address: 1) Some of you tend to call out the name of an administrator and/or mod (using the @ sign and their individual name) to draw attention to something (a technical difficulty, an obvious spammer, someone hurling personal insults, etc.) Let me say... it is always good to draw our attention to problems. There are only a few mods and we do NOT follow every single thread with eagle eyes, so chances are excellent that a poster will notice something before we do (simply because there's far more posters than mods). 2) But, there's a much better way to get our attention. Within each post you have the ability to click on "report post"... and then write in your description of the problem. On the backend, this sends an immediate email to ALL admins/mods and it also flags ALL of their screens on their next login (if the issue is still open). This is the fastest, most efficient way to get an actual problem addressed. Some of you have been really outstanding about using this feature to alert us to spammers - we appreciate your ongoing help with that!! 3) I've noticed some of you prefer to Private Message (PM) an admin/mod.... maybe because you have more of a relationship with that individual. Of course, you can always reach out to us individually using a PM, but again, just keep in mind if that individual you PM'd is offline for a day or 2, your issue will be sitting there in their messages... unopened. So if it's a time-pressing matter, use that "report post" feature! That way, the first of us to see it will jump in to help. 4) I will speak only for myself on this next point: I like to moderate "lightly" - with a robust respect for free speech. With very few exceptions - like spamming, vulgar language, etc. - I try not to interfere with your conversations even when they get, shall we say, "lively". That said, I think many of you are unaware of just how many "clicks" these forums get! For every one of you that makes a post - there will be thousands more who have read what you posted. In this hostile anti-2A environment that is the State of New Jersey, I believe it's imperative that we not only continually attract new members, but provide a welcoming environment that invites those lurkers in. As such, a platform chockful of bickering posters is not helpful to that end, don't you agree? 5) If you have a "problem" with another poster on here - their opinions, their politics, or their posting style irks you - pls handle that like a mature adult. Look away. Turn the other cheek. Don't engage. Don't harass. Don't insult. Don't pick fights. Don't engage others in your ongoing battle. If you feel they have broken forum rules, use the "report" feature and let the admins/mods sort it out. And if you really feel (for some ridiculous reason) that you must engage with that poster "mano a mano" - here's a thought - move it to a PM or the chat feature! Why clog up everyone else's screens with your personal vendettas? It gets old - and I do suspect a majority of you agree with this statement. Thanks for your consideration!

To be fair, for all we know the passenger could've been telling the driver to slow down. To be very generous, the driver could've had some type of medical episode and was not in control at the time. Odds are against it, but still a possibility. The investigators will do what they do and may or may not make public their theory of events. Only two people knew the what, how and maybe the why; nether of them can share that information. Agreed, it is very good nobody outside of the vehicle was injured.

I want to point out something. If the Red Flag law was what's in play, then guns are confiscated and a court date is set where the person gets a chance to explain why he's not a threat. No one is arrested as part of this process. This guy was arrested because he made terroristic threats while under police 'surveillance', and as a side effect his guns were confiscated. He's in jail and will have a day in court not of his choosing. So, this is not a Red Flag law case. But of course NJ.com will tout Red Flag every chance it gets.

Agreed. It's another example of addressing the symptoms rather than the problem. Taking his guns out of the house and not addressing his anger issues just leaves him with his machetes, chain saws, rat poison or whatever. And possibly a new situation was created by further angering a nut left alone with his helpless family. If someone is a ticking time bomb then they need to be defused not stripped of his possessions. Not made to feel any further inferior and helpless to the institution he/she is already threatening. Why can we coddle drug attics with safe houses to shoot up in, allow people to pee and poop in the streets and allow stealing from shop owners but not address these anger problems properly? Seems to me a couple of Xanex here and there instead of the authorities stealing one's private property might go a long way.

As others have noted (like @45Doll above), this case was more about terroristic threats (where the government has always had the ability to intervene and make an arrest). However, in the true "red flag" cases, it seems that more often than not, the person is NOT arrested/jailed... meaning he is quite free to go home and rig up a pipe bomb, or rent a box truck, or buy a 5-gallon container of gas w/ a book of matches. So, you must ask yourself... how dangerous were those folks really if they didn't even do anything that merited an arrest? Aside from the troubling lack of due process in these red flag laws, they don't seem to appropriately address any underlying mental health concerns, and worse yet, they don't even provide a full-fledged solution. It focuses on 1 tool... not the "criminal intent" (if it even existed within the accused in the first place). It's all a bit nonsensical.. and "thought police" for my tastes. That's why I (and others) believe it's just a convenient way for the left to chip away at firearm ownership... and due process... and any other Constitutional right they can bash at the same time. There's a bigger picture here... a slippery slope.

The reality for me is the relief that that insane and irresponsible behavior didn't kill others. I do feel bad for these young men, especially the pasenger.

"AT HOME" was the key part of that quote.

Don’t be jealous. All the non-crockpot meatloaf I can eat. Toms River: where the cars fly higher than the turkeys.

Welcome! Now for the most important question.........Porkroll or talyor ham?

I am Greek. For hundreds of years the Turks enslaved and then tried to exterminate my people. Yes, that's right, genocide. They did this by first disarming us (confiscation) then telling us we no longer had rights under their laws (red flag), and then proceeding to murder as many of us as possible (genocide). They did this with us, then with the Armenians, and now with Syria. Want to guess how we stopped this? We picked up rifles and we fought back. We won back our freedom with a gun. I will never condone taking anyone's rights away without due process. If the person is a true danger, then you should be able to prosecute them in a court of law. Why can't the liberals find a way to curb all this danger without violating law abiding citizen's rights? Because that's not what the red flag laws are about.

BJs sale from 11/28 12/2

You’ll appreciate the subtlety of this play… specially you car guys.... run time 1:38

Maybe I missed the Remington ad saying: Kill your mom. Steal her firearms. Go go school and kill people.

Wasn’t the specific marketing they're basing the case on a Remington add that said something to the effect of “Get your man-card back” with associated SEAL-type operator in the background? to claim that’s marketing illegal activity is a worse stretch than a fat man in a yoga class.

This^^^ might be the loop hole they're reaching through to grab their brass ring. Knowingly violating the law. Trying to prove intent. Remington intended for creeps like this to do these things as advertised. Actually if you go back and check it was his mother's fault. He was not allowed to own guns per the law but she gave him access to her safe. So he shot her and went to the school.

That's possible, but doesn't the Federal law passed in 2005 already give them that impunity? It seems the basis of the lawsuit is this: ...."An exception in the law, provided in cases where the gun manufacturer knowingly violated the law through its marketing practices, paved the way for the families to launch their suit. They claim that Remington marketed the weapon “as a highly lethal weapon designed for purposes that are illegal — namely, killing other human beings.” The Connecticut Supreme Court ruled in a divided opinion earlier this year that the family members could pursue their lawsuit, rejecting Remington’s argument." So, the families are claiming Remington marketed their AR15s as "designed to kill other human beings". That seems a bit of a stretch, and if the case continues at the state level, will have BIG ramifications for Remington and the rest of the gun industry. What options does Remington have, either settle out of court (where Liberals will spin and claim they admitted guilt) or hope for the best in a drawn out court case in Liberalville CT? If they lose the CT case and appeal back up up to the S.C., you're talking multiple years and millions of dollars, even if they finally win, based on existing law. In the mean time, it opens up all cans of worms for other frivolous lawsuits against manufacturers.

I know what your going through .. .Went through it myself back in the day. I didnt like waiting either.. and yea without the FID or another person you cant rent. Not sure about all ranges but I know for a fact that with RTSP the second person does not need to be an adult. I brought by son with me a few times prior to having my own stuff. not sure if you have kids of decent age or not (I think at least 8 if not then 10 ).. but they would qualify as your second person.

Are we still thinking that SCOTUS is going to save us????? ...."The Supreme Court has denied Remington Arms Co.'s bid to block a lawsuit filed by families of victims of the Sandy Hook school massacre. The families say Remington should be held liable, as the maker and promoter of the AR-15-style rifle used in the 2012 killings. The court opted not to hear the gun-maker's appeal, in a decision that was announced Tuesday morning. The justices did not include any comment about the case, Remington Arms Co. v. Soto, as they turned it away. Remington had appealed to the highest federal court after the Connecticut Supreme Court allowed the Sandy Hook lawsuit to proceed in March. In recent court filings, Remington says the case "presents a nationally important question" about U.S. gun laws — namely, how to interpret the 2005 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, which grants broad immunity to gun-makers and dealers from prosecution over crimes committed with their products." https://www.npr.org/2019/11/12/778487920/supreme-court-allows-sandy-hook-families-case-against-remington-to-proceed I wonder if the parents of the two dead kids in Toms River the other day will file lawsuits against Porsche in the SCOTUS, for allowing their son's to die in that high speed crash?

This last go-around took Trenton 39 days but took our barracks almost 3 weeks to notify us for pickup.

I wonder if Farmers will make a commercial about this. “Flying Porsches. We’ve seen a few things so we cover a few things”. Bumbabumbum....bum bum bum.

Not at all. I stand by my comment. Poor you!

I read in a article last night, his Dad gave him the car. No one needs a car that can go over 25 mph, or holds more than 5 gallons of gas, or has any external accessories or addons. You should have to go through complete background check anytime you get a new car and only drive it to work/school and back home.

Young men in hot cars seem to have a lot of such ‘medical episodes’, so yeah, odds are against it While glad no third parties were hurt, I also agree with points made by Mrs Peel A follow up article said the Porsche was a gift to the driver from his Dad...so I can’t fathom the guilt he must feel. The driver’s girlfriend said he liked to go joy riding, and she would have been with him in the car except she fell asleep and he couldn’t reach her before he headed out

Wow....you HAD to bring some sense and logic to this discussion, didn’t you? For shame....

Depends?

And we all know how much you LOVE the sausage....

The reason that we can make fun of this is because 2 evil people are no longer putting the public in danger. Luckily no one else got hurt just the 2 scumbags, justice got served and now we can laugh about it. If they would have killed another family that day we wouldn't be laughing at all, we would be tying the noose.

Sooo that’s where @Krdshrk gets it from

I did it for you. Tatsuya Sakai is a Japanese sport shooter who won the 2004 Steel Challenge World Championship in Piru, California.[1] Since handguns cannot be legally obtained by civilians in Japan, he trained at home using an airsoft pistol.[2] A month before the championship he went to California to train with a real gun,[3] and placed first 0.59 seconds before KC Eusebio.

Think this was the first time he did something stupid in 23 years? I don't.

Better yet, rent a Porsche

They’ll be in the roost at 2am. Get a crossbow and wait for them at daybreak.

If there is one thing you’ll never run out of, it’s mom’s basement.

If there is one thing you’ll never run out of, it’s crock.

Welcome. Thank you for posting. Sorry. But. taylor ham=troll poster. Ill let you slide. Just this one time. Welcome anyways

Nah, I dont aknowledge that pork roll exists, and ill also argue that theres no "Central" jersey, just north and south

Taylor Ham haha

Are these turkeys edible? If so, I think I have a solution. Just sayin.

We have the technology. Watch a few NASCAR races and you'll see some spectacular crashes with cars going faster. A lot of these crashes you see the driver walking away from them. The first factor is the cost of full roll cages, helmets, driving suits, etc. The second is how many people would suit up for a run to Wawa.

Sounds like a variation of your typical "boating accident".

Shoot your toy in your backyard and leave the ranges for the real men.

See Something, Say Something, Do Something ..... Investigate, Not Confiscate.

Today, 2 families are in shock and immeasurable pain. They will soon be planning funerals - for a 22- and 23-year old - young guys barely out of their teen years that had their whole damn lives stretched in front of them. Every ounce of love their parents poured into them - all of that potential - gone in a split second. I've always thought I had an above-average sense of humor, but damn, something like this is far too grim and tragic for me to laugh about. I admit, guys... sometimes I don't get your gallows humor!

Trying to ignore the shitshow of personality conflicts this thread rapidly became, I'm pretty much with you here. A paranoid 51 year old anti-semite living with mom and dad isn't really who I want ot be the poster boy for this, but the law is messed up. There's really only two ways to have a legitimate search warrant under the constitution. 1) have a judge sign a warrant based on probably cause. 2) a search without a warrant under exigent circumstances, also with probable cause. (the above assumes, rightly, that one's dwelling is a place you have a reasonable expectation of privacy) NJ's red flag law goes out of its way, in its attempts to avoid giving the victims of said law due process or a right to a court appointed defense, to reassure us it is NOT a criminal proceeding, but civil. I'd like to see the tortured reasoning that permits a warrant to seize property based on probable cause for an INCOMPLETE civil hearing.

But the point is, they don't report the methodology, just the results of the poll. So the average observer, looking at the results, will get the impression that there is overwhelming support for gun control, and not realize the results heavily skew towards Dems, based on poll selection.

Looks awesome. How does it shoot? Thoughts on the 4 prong?

I’m in for meeting up to stretch ‘em...

There is a similar thread where I posted updated information regarding how long it took for the process to work for me. I can't find it. To sum it up: instead of 5 1/2 months, the new process takes 3 1/2 months. I submitted the application on line on 30 April, the Criminal History Check was completed on 5 May, the Application was approved on 7 July, the Permits were typed up on 30 July, and I got the phone call to pick them up on 13 August. Hope this helps.