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I am staying in this state. To be honest, the rest of the US can’t make a proper pizza

Stand and Fight. You can't just retreat... Look at Virginia and Florida. Just moving out doesn't help - because the wave of blue moves too. If you keep retreating, soon there will no longer be anywhere to retreat to.

My point was it's not easy or even possible for some people to just pack up and move hundreds or thousand of miles out of state. If you did, great, I'm happy for you, not all of us have that luxury.

New member from Ocean County, but certainly not new to the hobby. I look forward to learning more and meeting new people. Btw, it’s pork roll. Lol.

lets make this guy ( https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/BIO.asp?Leg=419 ) the new governor.... why you ask??? because he actually cares and responds to emails: I sent him the below email (black and red text) after the Murphy presser...and about 30 min later his response in bracketed text Agreed. Tony Here's my beef on these items (taken 1 by 1). Reworking the Firearms Identification Card system (FID) to include mandatory firearms safety course completion to even those who own firearms. Why do I have to jump through more hoops to get a FID card. I already need references, a clean criminal record, and fingerprints. (All that's missing is a note from my mother and a 4 page essay on why I want to own a gun). Plus if the purpose of all this is to prevent crime, why even add the safety course? I can see it now ... all the members of MS-13 are at the range today to get their required safety course done. FYI - my wife did get professional training when she got her FID and firearm. Legislation which would require mandatory storage. I already have a large safe in my basement and a vaultek safe in each night stand. BTW, the vaulteks are really really nice storage units. I am not against the safe storage of my firearms, I just don't want to feel that my storage habits could be subject to an inspection by the state police. And what exactly does this have to do with street crime? Raising the age to 21 for FID card issuance for long guns Ya well, when I was growing up the official drinking age was 18 and we all survived. So in NJ if you were 18 and wanted a gun you would need to join the army? Microstamping. This legislation would require all new semi-automatic handguns to be equipped with microstamping technology This technology doesn't work, and I can't tell you how often I have found used brass in my pocket a few days after being at the range. My wife now has to check her shoes for trapped brass in her soles, after we found some of our brass in our neighbor's yard. What's the point anyway, after a shooting the police can trace the casing to a legally owned firearm? Don't most crimes get committed using illegally owned weapons? If I was a criminal (which I am not), I would simply sprinkle other people's brass to obfuscate my involvement assuming that I, again as a criminal mastermind, decided to legally register my gun Forced market acceptance of “smart guns” by mandating that gun shops sell them I can tell you with 100% certainty that there is no market whatsoever for this hardware, despite the guys at NJIT who think otherwise. Telling the FFL that they have to hold this stuff in inventory will result in them painting their compliance sample gold and putting it in a trophy case high on the wall. A .50 Caliber ban. This is a firearm that weighs about 30 lbs. You probably can count on one hand with 9 fingers to spare the number of people who legally own a 50 cal weapon in Morris county. BTW how many crimes got committed with a 50 cal round last year? Electronic registering of all ammunition sales. I would like to see this go in the other direction. All the shops, customers, think the current paper system is a needless pain in the backside. Riddle me this batman, has the current paper system ever been used to even partially solve a crime? Registering of firearms brought into the state by residents relocating to New Jersey. This is the same stupidity that almost had Born To Run become the official state song (even though the song is actually about getting OUT of NJ). We won't even talk about how In The Navy by The Village People was an angel's breath away from becoming the US Navy's recruiting anthem. I doubt this is a big problem, it's just another way that some poor guy who never knowingly broke the law can accidentally find himself facing a felony charge.

Again guns are but ONE reason.... However, it is apparent nothing is changing here... you know it.... others know it.... ranges and associations know it... attorneys know it. Think of it as not a retreat but a consolidation of forces to more favorable battlefield... States will and can push back....some states won't... LIFE is too short to be unhappy.... 12k a year in taxes is insane.... 8k a year in car insurance and we have stellar records... is insane... This state does not have the representation in numbers to flip the switch the other way.... If you are not plugged INTO the gun community there is NO community... Meaning i see no pro gun media, I see no pro gun advancement, I see NOTHING pushed outward by the ANJRPC for engagement to other groups... all the gun groups in nj do, is preach to the same old choir...with the same old rhetoric, using the same old mantras. The definition of insanity, is doing the same thing over again and again and expecting a different outcome. Sorry man, its just a fact....

right not it is next to impossible for me to move out of state. unless i want to desert my mother and let her land in a home........which of course no self respecting man would do.

Yeah, honestly... I was really surprised he uttered that little truth out loud. It flies in the face of his often repeated claim that there's a gun violence epidemic all across the state... which of course, there isn't. There's a violence epidemic in the worst neighborhoods of our inner cities. In all the other communities, gun crime is pretty rare.

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Sometimes a sinking ship actually sinks, no matter how fast you bail or how loud you scream. Dont think of it as a retreat but a tactical reallocation of forces to higher ground. In my case that is FL. Show me a indicator of NJ getting better. Political? Economical? Demographical? Remember hope is not a strategy. And I'm going g to dis agree that FL is in trouble, looking at some simple stats that at least I observe and care about that counter what many think about this state turning blue. I believe its the opposite. We currently have a R gov, assembly and senate with both houses enjoying about a 2-1 majority. The most recent 4 govs were R, and the past 5 out of 7 R too after many many years of mostly Being D. For at least the past 10 yrs the new R voter registration affiliation has outpaced Democrats, how much is from transplants or natives idk. This state is so much more in line with my quality of life there was no question about leaving NJ. And the longer I am here the more objective pov can be seen and NJ sucks even more. Ask anyone who left if they'd go back. I get some can't, I was there for a long time but was still able to get one foot out the door to remind me it needed to get done. Good luck to all of you staying.....

"Half of gun homicides occur in only five cities" ... but if you don't live in these five cities we will punish you anyway because you probably didn't vote for us.

Their endgame is: Confiscation and the elimination of civilian ownership of firearms. Then the real tyranny and persecution can begin.

Okay, that makes sense. I was a little puzzled at a 28 year old with "CAL. 30 M1" profile?

No problem! I’d be interested in the STI if it falls through. Good luck with your sales you have some awesome stuff!

Monmouth County.

Oh man what a throwback! I'll trade you for CCI large pistol 1:1. Don't need the heads.

South Carolina is pushing new gun laws too ... but in the opposite direction. https://abcnews4.com/news/local/south-carolina-house-passes-gun-rights-bill-allowing-open-carry-without-permit

Has anyone else joined and following the threads on the Reddit /r/wallstreetsilver sub-reddit? I have been reading it almost constantly for the last three weeks. Learned a heck of a lot regarding the silver market, manipulation of same by the banks and some mints(e.g Perth Mint), allocated vs unallocated, SLV ETF vs the PSLV, and the growing silver squeeze movement. Exiting and fun stuff to follow and be part of. (I can now consider myself an ape with diamond hands. If you don’t understand the reference, check out the sub-reddit.) Since my earlier post, I have acquired a number of 2021 American Silver Eagle coins. My first purchase of silver coins ever. They are beautiful and nice to hold in one’s hand. I purchased them from my local coin store. Their prices were very competitive with the online bullion dealers. Paid cash and no shipping needed. Instant gratification, lol.

THESE days, there'd be a dozen attorneys lined up to represent the families of the robbers......and the good cops would end up on trial. 'cause yaknow? the robbers were goooooood bois......

@JohnnyB I saw this back in the 70s. Had a Liberal psychology professor. Was going to give me a D for a course I needed a C for. I told him I needed to talk with him because he said I was stupid. He said I didn't call you stupid and I don't have time for this now.. I said if you're giving me a D you're calling me stupid. Then I grabbed his suit and put his pear shaped body against the wall and said, "If you're giving me a D you're saying I'm stupid". This all started when the professor would say something and I knew a personal experience when the opposite happened. Not trying to sharpshoot him, just trying to learn. He would tell me it didn't happen although I know it did. BLUF I appealed this grade. Wound up with a B. If I did what I did then I would have wound up in jail Fast forward to today. My niece graduated with a BA in psychology in June 2020. Going for her masters now because she knows a BA is crap in the field. She's a smart woman. Told me she tells professors what they want to hear.

Facts, logic, experience, crime stats mean nothing. This is typical leftist incrementalism to move the agenda forward.. Propose eight reforms, settle for one or two, until the next time..

Bucky (all the money he has and he never had his teeth fixed) apparently is ignoring Maryland's experience with microstamping. You younger guys Google Bucky Beaver to know what I'm talking about. MD passed a microstamping law in 2000. MDSP was tasked with collecting casings. The MDSP pled to the legislators in 2015 to repeal this law. They had spent 15 years and $5,000,000 collecting over 300,000 cartridge cases. Not one crime was solved with this. The MDSP said they could have used the money for other productive things. Larry Hogan, a Republican, immediately signed the repeal of the microstamping law in 2015. The casings were sold as scrap.. BTW, Hogan also signed the biggest tax cuts in the history of MD. MD seems Democrat but every few terms elects a Republican to bring the state back to its senses. That's what we can use in NJ. That's a start. Too many look at politics as an either or. NJ will self destruct if more Murphys are elected. Fight!!!! FWIW, when I worked in Baltimore, William Donald Schafer was mayor. One of the last old time Democrats. Law and Order guy. Didn't travel in a convoy. One detective drove him in a Buick or Oldsmobile. When they had a rash of bank robberies before Christmas (Cops on the forum will understand this) when the have nots want to have, Schafer started the bank patrol. Two cops with shotguns would randomly stop at banks. The robberies continued. Until the bank patrol stopped at a robbery in progress. Smoked the two bank robbers. The bank robberies stopped.

Not really.... life is to short to be unhappy.... you choose your own path... make a new one, you might like it more.

They are relentless!

I am normally the stand and fight guy but also recognize that there is no way to win in a state packed with illegals and others who vote for communism. The traitors have the numbers, when they don't, they cook the books.

There are more than enough reasons to leave NJ....and guns is only one reason to leave... NJ is done...you can't win...you don't have the numbers...BUT, nothing is impossible - so maybe...but unlikely.

We don't have to go far to see the stupidity of gun owners still supporting and voting for people wishing to eliminate us; we have a few of them right here.

And this with Murphy up for re-election in 6 months and tens of thousands of new gun owners in N.J. If he gets another term forget it.

I'm thinking about moving to WV. Like many, I have overstayed in NJ due to family reasons but I've had enough of the Covid tyranny and Gun Law BS in NJ. WV seems to be the closest common sense state near NJ.

Running buys you a couple of years at best. Stand and fight!

The years of political harassment were depressing. I had to step away from the conversation. Now I am stepping away from New Jersey, to a state that doesn't attack and harass its legal gun owners. Sorry.

Vote with your feet -

I find some of this incredible - like the school-based stuff - "prohibit rewarding children for fighting off potential gunman during a drill" - whaat? "Fight" is always ONE of the options recommended by experts when all else has failed. What's the deal here? Teachers should train kids to welcome the bullets... in all circumstances? That is INSANITY!!

Because they know they're full of bullshit. "You can get a gun today as easy as buying a loaf of bread" was said pretty much first thing. Ain't no loaf of bread required me to get background checked or needed permission papers. Everyone needs to downvote the shit out of this video.

There are plenty of Muzzle Brakes that look almost identical to flash hiders. I have a Muzzle brake on one of my rifle that basically looks like an A2 Flash Hider but it's actually a brake. Been to many ranges with it - don't be too paranoid about things - If you're going to get in trouble for something - it's not going to be because you have a flash can or muzzle brake that would look like an "Evil muzzle device"

10th "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." 2nd "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Since the 2nd says Fed cannot infringe on the rights of the people to bear arms, and the 2nd having been held against the states, means the States have no power to infringe on the right to bear arms either. Something that can be licensed is not a right. Reciprocity is an abortion of people's right. National Constitutional Carry is what needs to be forced.