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Too many overthink things. I've never heard of anyone arrested going to or from their friends farm to shoot for illegal possession of a handgun or hollowpoints. 99.9% of cops (probably less) are not "out to get you". Everything in life is a gamble and I have a bit of experience in that. When you look at the odds you are more likely to be involved in a fiery car crash than arrested transporting guns to their friend's farm or property to shoot. I've said this before in relation to other things but if someone can find an instance of someone arrested for doing what I said in the previous paragraph please educate me.

I know there isn't a statutory definition. That's why I brought it up!!!

Yeah... I'm sure Judge Wynn has no problem sending 18 year olds into war in the Army or Marines, killing for his freedom. But allow them to buy a handgun for self defense in the USA at 18... never...

According to the Standard Catalog of S&W, 4rth Edition, the 27-2 with N prefix and 3.5" bbl was made from 1969 to 1978. I don't see any further breakdown by s/n. Getting it lettered from S&W would give a reasonably close production date.

“No, the Second Amendment is exceptional not because it is uniquely oppressed or imperiled, but rather because it is singularly capable of causing harm,” Wynn wrote. I would say the ability of uneducated people to vote causes far more harm to the public and the United States than the second amendment could ever imagined in a liberals wildest LSD induced hallucination.

On Friday my wife lifted up a plastic bin lid that I left just outside the garage and came running into the house and said hurry up and get out here. We had a black bear looking in the sliding glass door at me in the basement on Monday so I thought that may be it, I was wrong, it was a coiled up copperhead. I grabbed the Governor shot it with #6 shot. The 2 1/2" 410 hit hard and killed it instantly. The snake was coiled up looking ready to strike and the shot flipped it about 10 inches into the position in the picture. A neighbor told me he has killed 3 already this year. The worst part is that it ate the very large frog in the pond I have in front of the house. My wife got vey lucky that she wasn't bit.

I was thinking about a flamethrower.

Another reason to buy that tank.

Ok, thanks everyone, I won't overthink it. Now, how high and how thick should the berm be? will be shooting 9mm, .45, .357 mag, .44 mag, .223, and .308 at it.

I agree with Griz and Smokin.50.....Stop over thinking it and have some fun in life!

Scalar has a magnitude. Vector has magnitude and direction.

Shooters just got one in tonight. I do not know the price. They open at 9am tomorrow.

It says you prefer vectors over scalars.

I stand corrected... though in my town they would put me handcuffs or worse....

what if it's just setting on the table with only half of its total capacity contained within it?

What constitutes a legal range is in the books right next to what constitutes a residence for firearms ownership & storage. Don't bother lookin' for it, you'll get a headache cause it's NOT there, lol! Well done @GRIZ

Optimism = @Mrs. Peel ppessimism = @kc17

IANAL but unless there is a specific legal definition in NJ statutes or admin code the common definition would be used. One of which is, "a place for firearms practice".

Some time ago I used to go shooting in some gravel pits. I believe it was public land. You would pick out an embankment to use as a backstop and shoot handguns and/or long guns. The local police would drive by, check everyone was being safe and leave. Never saw them bother anyone. While this was years ago the same laws were in effect in NJ. Reasonable deviation included stopping at a diner for lunch on the way home.

I've never understood the whole glass half full or half empty thing. If the glass is in the process of being filled, then I consider it half full. Likewise if the glass is being emptied, then its half empty. Not sure what that says about me. I do see your point that anyone changing their views in a positive (for 2A) way is a good thing. I'm less convinced that it will amount to much.

I can relate some personal experience I had, but can't guarantee yours would be the same. I had a friend who was the caretaker of a private facility on private land in NJ. The facility was in a municipality that did NOT have a no-discharge ordinance. This municipality is also extremely wealthy, not what I'd expect to be a "firearm friendly" town. He secured permission from the owners to shoot there, in the form of a letter. A couple of times a year he'd host "group shoots" at the facility. I went to a couple. There was one portion of the property that had a large hill that was used as berm/backstop for an impromptu range. The first time I went the local police rolled up in 3 cars about half an hour after we started shooting. Multiple neighboring homes on the borders of the property called in about all the gunfire. Friend identified himself as the caretaker of the property, explained that he had permission from the owners to shoot there (showed the letter) and that there were no laws/ordinances prohibiting shooting there. Police left without any further action. Pistols and long guns were out and visibly obvious on our "range" tables.

Does he live somewhere on those 50 acres? Did he build a berm or designate a patch of land as his range? Don't be scared of your own shadow. You wanna chat on the phone to go over this, just hit me with a PM with your phone number & best time to call. There are ways to do this... Rosey

Should have stopped and said hi. You may have been surprised who was there.... Uh oh! Fudd alert!!

I think that most of us realize commemorative firearms aren’t the instant collectible that some people feel they are. In fact, often times the commemorative firearms sell for less than the non-commemorative counterparts – if there is one. Not always true, but if you choose wisely you can end up with a fancy shooter, or a gun that actually does appreciate faster than its non-commemorative counterparts. I crossed the line from being just a purchaser and user of firearms to being a collector in the early part of last year. I came to that realization when I found myself buying guns that I just liked, but had little to no intention of ever shooting, and I’ve been making up for lost time ever since. My first commemorative was purchased solely as a shooter and because the price was more than right. It was a Texas Wagon Train / Texas Sesquicentennial commemorative – a 5” N-frame in .44-40. I like N-frames, especially those with 5” barrels and like calibers that start with a “4”. I got this gun for a song and it was the gun only, no nifty presentation case. It had terrific stocks on it, which I promptly removed and replaced with a Hogue wooden monogrip. I did shoot it some, but it ultimately ended up back in the safe. When I made the transition to collector, I reinstalled the presentation stocks and found the correct case on the Internet. Even piecing it together like that I’m in it for about half of the current going rate. Here it is… My next commemorative purchase was a PASP Model 19-4 – not because I had any affiliation with the PASP (except for a handful of speeding tickets), but because the price was better than I could find on a 4” non-commemorative 19-4. I could keep it as a shooter or as a bargain collectible. Here it is… Somewhere along the way I became enamored with the Heritage series of guns. I purchased several of the Lew Horton Heritage Series, but then found one that was made for Sports South. It did not come in the correct PC aluminum case – instead, it was shipped in a presentation case meant for another firearm – a 1988 Model 629-1 Iditarod Commemorative. I started doing some research on that issue and found that while the case, and even the barrel, said that 1000 of these guns were made, in actuality, the bank failed before the entire thousand gun contract was completed. In fact only 545 of these were made. I endeavored to find a gun only to go with the case that serendipitously came to me. When it rains it pours – I didn’t find a lone gun sans case, I found two consecutively numbered guns that came with everything – cases, boxes, docs, tools, everything. Again they were at a price about equivalent to what you would pay for a regular 629-1. So now I have two complete commemoratives and one extra presentation case. The next commemorative came as a result of me exploring a major auction company. In my perusal of various on-line “for sale” and auction sites I had come across an Elmer Keith 29-3 commemorative. This was one of the regular issue ones with the wooden stocks and it was “spendy” – not outrageously so, considering the embellishments and who it honored. I was sorely tempted. A little further on in the listings I came across another Keith commemorative from the same vendor, only this was one of the Deluxe Additions (the first 100 of the 2500 made that had increased gold embellishments plus real, pre-ban, elephant ivory stocks. Pretty much as the SCSW IV states, they wanted double the amount they were asking for the standard edition. That was too rich for my blood. So I was looking through the catalog of the major upcoming auction and they actually had three Elmer Keith editions – two standards and one deluxe sandwiched between the two. Somebody at that auction company goofed as they all had the same auction estimates. I put in an absentee bid at $100 over the high estimate for the deluxe version. I was watching the auction streaming on my computer. The first standard version came up and got hammered at $100 over high estimate. At that point I figured I was toast – somebody out there had to realize that the deluxe version was worth considerably more than the standard that had just fetched a good price. The deluxe version came up and stalled and then got hammered at the high estimate – which meant that I had won it for $100 less than the standard version. I was ecstatic. Full disclaimer, this was the gun only and did not have the original presentation case with it – it had gone missing in the intervening 35 years. Not to worry, I found a woodworker who specializes in presentation cases – at more than fair prices. We went back and forth on wood types, lining colors, descriptive plaques etc and he is currently in the process of building a fantastically figured, French-fitted, walnut presentation case with a proper descriptive brass plate on the lid. Even with the auction buyer’s premium, the next day air shipping and the bespoke presentation case, I am into this gun for less than half its value. Here is the gun, a 4” Model 29-3, .44 Magnum (as is befitting of the father of the .44 Magnum. I’ll feature the gun and case in a future thread, once I receive the case – if anyone is in need of a presentation case I would be more than happy to put you in touch with this fellow. This brings us to the current week (w/o 8/30). Frustrated by missing a two gun lot at the large auction company’s August sale, I was looking for something to buy. Much searching brought me to a S&W 150th Anniversary Commemorative Model 29-8, .44 Magnum (1852 – 2002). Like the Elmer Keith gun, this one had gold embellishment, including portraits of Horace Smith and Daniel Wesson on the side plate. It was equipped with smooth Herrett (now out of business) stocks and came in a clear-topped, French-fitted presentation case. The funds for that gun are currently at the mercy of the USPS. Here is the seller’s picture of the gun and case… The acquisition of the 150th anniversary gun triggered a desire to acquire the previous anniversary issue, the issue for their 125th anniversary. I had passed on opportunities to purchase this gun many time is the past when I was shopping for “shooters”. Who wanted a .45 Colt with a short cylinder? The Model 25-3, while chambered for .45 Colt used a cylinder with the same length dimension as the .45 ACP Model 25-2. This meant that a lot of traditional, cast 250 grain bullet loads would be too long for the cylinder, unless crimped over the front driving band, rather than, properly, in the crimp groove. Now it was destined to be a safe queen and a complement to the 150th anniversary gun. I went in search of a candidate. Found one, but missed it because I was trying to leverage a better deal. Found another and got it for an even better price. I make this sound like these are out there everywhere – such is not the case. Yes you can find them aplenty, but at exorbitant cost. The really neat thing – and it was totally happenstance, neither the seller nor I realized it (he still doesn’t) at the time of the transaction – is the serial number, First, it is the only time that I have ever seen a non-numeric or alphabetic character used in a serial number – the serial prefix for these guns is “S&W” followed by four numeric characters (these were appx four years before Smith went to their current three alpha / four numeric serial format). This gun was the twelfth gun made of the run of 9,948 standard editions (there were 50 Deluxe Editions and 2 Custom Deluxe Editions). These came with a presentation case that also held a commemorative coin and a book by Roy Jinks – the company historian, called 125 years with Smith and Wesson. The gun has custom gold-filled roll marks but not the fancy gold embellishments found on the Keith gun or the 150th anniversary gun. Here is the seller’s picture of the gun and case. Funds for this one were mailed this morning. I will be applying for a Multiple Purchase Exemption for the Keith gun and the two anniversary guns. Given the times we’re living in, I have no idea how long that will take, but if I do it within the OGAM framework, it would be mid-December before I had them all. If you have managed to make it through this entire magnum opus, kudos to you. I hope you came away with an appreciation and better understanding of commemorative guns. Adios, Pizza Bob