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NJ: Our law is rooted in history and tradition. We wouldn't have passed this law without it. Judge: Show me NJ: Fuck...

Updated the post with 1/30 info https://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/105458-nj-concealed-carry-locations-and-regulations/

Stop insulting other posters...! Enough of that. It's inappropriate, against forum rules and frankly, if comes off belligerent and bratty. I'm sure you can do better! And I hope everyone else on here knows they shouldn't be taking rash-sounding legal advice from strangers on the Internet... do I even need to say that? Hopefully not!

Just remember, shitty attitudes often make for shitty outcomes. You do you.

The Morris County Superior Court informed me that my permit was approved and sent to my local PD! Now I need to pester the PD; they tend to sit on all things firearm-related. Mine was held up for a week by a bad serial number. I received an email from a probation officer with the court, asking for confirmation of the serial number of one of the guns on my qualification paperwork. I was out-of-state at the time, with no one in NJ with access to the gun safe, so it took a few days for me to respond Once I confirmed the correct serial number, the judge signed the permit same-day and mailed it out. I'll report back once I have the permit in-hand.

Wait, what? Does our distinguished governor realize the fellow he praised is the same supposed right wing judge that slapped NJ down? I had to double check the last name, how can Judge Quraishi be the same guy? Wow, talk about egg on the governor's face, ha.

From your keyboard to God's ears!

May the smackdowns continue!

And the hits keep on coming!: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.njd.504488/gov.uscourts.njd.504488.17.0.pdf

I never said you encouraged anyone to be an asshole. Just saying that having a good attitude will go a long way with you having a positive encounter with LEO. In my 57 years, I’ve been pulled over a lot. Not once have I been beaten, harassed, cuffed and stuffed, searched, asked to get out of my vehicle, shot, or killed by a cop. I’ve always maintained a positive and respectful attitude towards LEO, and they have in turn treated me the same way. MOST all of my traffic stops have ended with a warning, and I think it was largely due to my attitude towards the officer. 99% of the time life works that way. I can’t speak for your experience, but I’m pretty sure that those who act like an entitled asshole to the police get treated in kind. I know what works for me, and I’ll continue to do just that. You do you.

IMO, someone who responds to a traffic stop as though it was a Supreme Court constitutional hearing is headed for some massive inconvenience. At the very least.

Personally, I'd love to see them get kicked in their collective legislative nuts in open court.

I love that you guys are kicking their asses!

Edited with 1/30/2023 TRO Addendum

[Sad Trombone Noises] https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/30/federal-judge-blocks-more-of-new-jersey-gun-carry-law-00080245 [Victorious Fanfare]

and after July, with your attitude you will get arrested and lose your gun rights forever just because you didnt tell them you had a gun. I dont like the law either but unless it gets struck down you will be obligated to tell them. Only good things can come out of years of people telling the police they have a gun and no problems ever pop up with those people. Once the cops figure out(they already know) that permit holders are no threat at all it will be good for all of us.

For anyone interested, I attended a presentation by a representative from US LawShield at WeShoot USA yesterday morning. He told the group that USL is working to build an insurance package that would the meet the requirements under the revised NJ law. They anticipate to have it ready by late spring.

I’m still reading it, but here is a non-Facebook link if anyone needs it: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.njd.506033/gov.uscourts.njd.506033.51.0.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3nTnb9VldE3xgqJlkihu1VcM8TqiA14JdtGDXjD4VHjtM_1Kb-ZZDyco4

ANJRPC has given us this handy dandy list. Updated with info from 6/20/23 ANJRPC List disappeared - updated with GFH list (not as easy to read) As of 1/9/2023 - here is the official list of places that you may carry by Code Section (PL 2022 Ch 131) 7(a)(12) - public libraries and museums 7(a)(15) - bars, restaurants and places that serve alcohol 7(a)(17) - entertainment facilities, including but not limited to theaters, stadiums, museums, racetracks anywhere where concerts are performed 7(a)(24) - private property 7(b)(1) - while operating a motor vehicle All other elements remain in effect and this list only remains enjoined until an appellate court grants a stay (if they do). As of 1/30/2023 - the TRO has been expanded to cover: 7(a)(10) a park, beach, recreation facility or area or playground owned or controlled by a State, county or local government unit, or any part of such a place, which is designated as a gun free zone by the governing authority based on considerations of public safety; NOTE - PLAYGROUNDS are still off-limits N.J.A.C. 7:2–2.17(b) [preexisting law]: State Park Service property. 7(a)(18) a casino and related facilities, including but not limited to appurtenant hotels, retail premises, restaurant and bar facilities, and entertainment and recreational venues located within the casino property; The Court also acknowledged the State’s concession that “school, college, university, or other educational institution” is to be read narrowly to apply to traditional schools such as are regulated by the State. Thus, the prohibition on carrying in schools does not apply to, for example, motorcycle classes, firearms training, Sunday school within a church, karate classes, and music lessons. Further, the Court acknowledged the State’s concession that notwithstanding the very broad language used in the statute (“any part of the buildings, grounds, or parking area”) the scope of prohibition on multiuse property (strip malls, office buildings, churches with schools, etc.) is limited only to the actual prohibited use itself and not other uses and also does not include shared features such as shared parking lots, hallways, elevators, etc. Allowed as of 5/16/2023 due to Preliminary Injunction: 7(a)(6) within 100 feet of a place where a public gathering, demonstration or event is held for which a government permit is required, during the conduct of such gathering, demonstration or event; 7(a)(9) Zoo 7(a)(20) an airport or public transportation hub (Only curbside drop off/pickup and air travel pursuant to federal law - eg unloaded, locked container for travel) 7(a)(21) a health care facility (Medical office and ambulatory care facility only) 7(a)(23) a public location being used for making motion picture or television images for theatrical, commercial or educational purposes, during the time such location is being used for that purpose; 7(a)(24) - private property (property that is open to the public - businesses, etc. Including curtilage of private property - driveways, front walks, lawns, etc.; You are also allowed on private property if invited) Also removed as of 5/16/23: 4(a) and (b): Liability insurance requirement. Portion of N.J.S. 2C:58-4(c) authorizing the police to interview the persons endorsing the carry permit application. Further Clarification as of 5/16/23: Maximum of 2 handguns are allowed on you for carry purposes. If you are in a vehicle, any additional firearms fall under transportation laws. You cannot carry in the following locations: 7(a)(1) a place owned, leased, or under the control of State, county or municipal government used for the purpose of government administration, including but not limited to police stations; 7(a)(2) a courthouse, courtroom, or any other premises used to conduct judicial or court administrative proceedings or functions; 7(a)(3) a State, county, or municipal correctional or juvenile justice facility, jail and any other place maintained by or for a governmental entity for the detention of criminal suspects or offenders; 7(a)(4) a State-contracted half-way house; 7(a)(5) a location being used as a polling place during the conduct of an election and places used for the storage or tabulation of ballots; 7(a)(7) a school, college, university or other educational institution, and on any school bus; 7(a)(8) a child care facility, including a day care center; 7(a)(9) a nursery school, pre-school, or summer camp; 7(a)(10) Playgrounds 7(a)(11) youth sports events, as defined in N.J.S.5:17-1, during and immediately preceding and following the conduct of the event, except that this provision shall not apply to participants of a youth sports event which is a firearm shooting competition to which paragraph (3) of subsection b. of section 14 of P.L.1979, c.179 (C.2C:58-6.1) applies; 7(a)(13) a shelter for the homeless, emergency shelter for the homeless, basic center shelter program, shelter for homeless or runaway youth, children’s shelter, child care shelter, shelter for victims of domestic violence, or any shelter licensed by or under the control of the Juvenile Justice Commission or the Department of Children and Families; 7(a)(14) a community residence for persons with developmental disabilities, head injuries, or terminal illnesses, or any other residential setting licensed by the Department of Human Services or Department of Health; 7(a)(16) a Class 5 Cannabis retailer or medical cannabis dispensary, including any consumption areas licensed or permitted by the Cannabis Regulatory Commission established pursuant to section 31 of P.L.2019, c.153 (C.24:6I-24); 7(a)(19) a plant or operation that produces, converts, distributes or stores energy or converts one form of energy to another; 7(a)(21) a health care facility, including but not limited to a general hospital, special hospital, psychiatric hospital, public health center, diagnostic center, treatment center, rehabilitation center, extended care facility, skilled nursing home, nursing home, intermediate care facility, tuberculosis hospital, chronic disease hospital, maternity hospital, outpatient clinic, dispensary, assisted living center, home health care agency, residential treatment facility, residential health care facility 7(a)(22) a facility licensed or regulated by the Department of Human Services, Department of Children and Families, or Department of Health, other than a health care facility, that provides addiction or mental health treatment or support services; 7(a)(25) any other place in which the carrying of a firearm is prohibited by statute or rule or regulation promulgated by a federal or State agency. 3rd Circuit Stay effective 6/20/23 A mid-level federal appeals court has partially granted and partially denied New Jersey’s motion to temporarily reinstate the carry-killer law. As a result, the lower court’s injunction blocking most of the carry-killer law will be partially suspended during the state’s appeal. This means that for the duration of the appeal there are “sensitive places” where the carry-killer law prohibits carry and other places where the carry-killer law remains blocked by the court. The decision means that for the duration of the appeal gun owners CANNOT lawfully continue to carry in the following locations: Within 100 feet of a public gathering, demonstration, or event requiring a government permit; Zoo; Park, beach, recreational facility or area owned or controlled by a State, county or local government unit designated as a gun-free zone; Publicly owned or leased library or museum; Bar or restaurant where alcohol is served and any other site or facility where alcohol is sold for consumption on the premises; Entertainment facility; Casino and related facilities; Health care facility. You can continue to carry in the following locations: Vehicles Private property Public film locations Duty to inform is in effect as of 7/1/23 Training Requirements - Revised as of 9/17/23 https://www.anjrpc.org/page/NJRevisesCarryTrainingRequirements Excerpt as follows:

Want!!!

And now here's the response whining: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/31/judge-new-jersey-law-gun-industry-00080467 At least they didn't call the judge "radical right wing" this time...

It hasn't been 57 years for me (though it's close) but that's been my EXACT experience with being pulled over. I drove like an idiot when I was younger, so I got pulled over frequently, but even back then I was as courteous as possible. That resulted in many more warning than tickets. Never searched, arrested, tased, shot, etc. Did I answer more questions than "necessary"? Absolutely, but I kept everything conversational, so i asked the cops questions too. And they answered. I did encounter a fair number of douchebags, but even then, I was nice and polite. No need to put myself in a shitty mood just because some asshole on the night shift lives his life that way. If I'm carrying and get pulled over (before July) I'm not going to offer that I'm carrying, but if asked I'll be honest and say yes and share my permit (and copy of court order). I travel in compliance with the law, so things should end there, but if they go further, so be it. I'll complain along the way and cite reasons why we're going out of bounds, but I'll still play along. Starting in July I'll obviously notify right away.

I couldn't say. I've never had a cop get mad, or found it necessary to state my constitutional rights during a traffic stop. Perhaps because I've always had a civil discussion about the topic at hand, including any pertinent facts about the moment in question. Of course I never started a constitutional argument about an administrative issue either. Nor have I ever given the impression that I'm spoiling for an argument. And yes, I've had traffic stops. Including two just last year.

That's crazy. I applied for 2 permits in late December and the turnaround was about 3 weeks. My son applied for his FID at the same time (same town) and the turnaround was about 4 weeks. A 3 - 4 MONTH turnaround for those is absurd...

Ptc, Mercer county

I’d love to watch the NJ politicians get smacked down by Judge Bumb. You can’t put a price on such entertainment.

Exercising a right can be done without acting like an asshole. Grown ups know how to do this.. I really don’t get the hate that some of y’all have for law enforcement.

Every town does it at a different pace. Some towns take 3 weeks, some towns take months. There is no way to check the progress. You will rec'v an email from FARS when the PD finishes the background check. Your next email FARS email will be the approval that says how many permits you have and the expiration date.

If you take the example of a school in a strip mall part of the TRO: https://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/105458-nj-concealed-carry-locations-and-regulations/ The Court acknowledged the State’s concession that notwithstanding the very broad language used in the statute (“any part of the buildings, grounds, or parking area”) the scope of prohibition on multi-use property (strip malls, office buildings, churches with schools, etc.) is limited only to the actual prohibited use itself and not other uses and also does not include shared features such as shared parking lots, hallways, elevators, etc. then so long as you are not in the playground, it would appear you are in the park which is legal for now. Even if the playground shares parking, paths and grassy fields, you and the PO should know where the playground is. Interestingly there was discussion on the lack of clear definition of "school" in the new law. Same goes for "playground". Is the baseball field a playground? How about the basketball court? This all needs to be hashed out so we can protect our children.

@Xtors, it's not a dumb question at all. And, @JackDaWack, with all due respect, I'm not so sure about that advice... what defines the boundaries of a playground from the rest of the park it resides within? How would you know where those boundaries were? Would you need to go to the municipality and pull the latest blueprints on file? Would that even be legally sufficient? Since all of these carry issues - including the playground aspect - will be hashed out and ruled on before too long, why not act out of an abundance of caution? Simply avoid parks with children's playgrounds (that leaves you with plenty of recreational options and you're not risking felony arrest while this combined case works its way through the system). Or at the very least, discuss with an actual attorney. I have a feeling a lot of these answers will be forthcoming soon anyway from a variety of 2A legal presentations, etc. Personally? I'm hoping the whole insurance requirement gets tossed altogether. We don't need mandatory insurance to exercise any of the other amendments, so why for the 2nd? It's ridiculous. It's just a blatant scam by the state to make gun ownership more expensive and onerous.

Sold to Stuntman22. Thank you sir

I have friend who recently received his PTC directly from PD, no detour to the county court. Submitted on Dec 02, received on Jan 25, unrestricted, from Burlington Township, and the fee is still $50.

It has been known to get my wife screaming.

Standing is required at all stages, but imminence of harm is more important at the TRO stage than the PI stage, especially as Judge Bumb is doing all she can to keep this on an expedited schedule.

This may well work in our favor. The politicians will use the usual BS of why this legislation needs to be passed and enforced. Judge will hopefully say that does not pass Bruen and no longer can be used to pass legislation. Next time they try to pass legislation using those arguments, just point back here where a judge says that is unconstitutional.

Hell, show me the empirical evidence that holders of the FPID card are a cause of gun violence much less ccw's!

Here is the list of where you CAN carry as of today. https://www.news2a.com/nj-concealed-carry-faq/ New Jersey is going down in spectacular fashion.

Does not go far enough, open carry still prohibited. I have no interest in open carry, but if making it constitutional the option should be there.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.njd.506033/gov.uscourts.njd.506033.53.0.pdf Great preemptive directions by the court. In essence Bumb is telling the Senate & Assembly can come to the party but not to whine about public interest or how dangerous firearms are. Those days are over, I love winning. === This matter comes before the Court upon the Motion to Intervene on Short Notice by Nicholas P. Scutari, President of the New Jersey Senate, and Craig J. Coughlin, speaker of the New Jersey General Assembly (together, the “Presiding Officers”). . . At the same time, the Court implores the Presiding Officers to focus their argument on the legitimate legal issues pending before this Court after the clear dictate from the United States Supreme Court in New York State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n, Inc. v. Bruen, 597 U.S., 142 S. Ct. 2111 (2022). The Presiding Officers note that they intend to “provide perspective on the critical public health, safety and welfare issues that led the Legislature to enact Chapter 131.” [Docket No. 47-1, at 7.] But the Bruen Court expressly stated that “the government may not simply posit that the regulation promotes an important interest” in the Second Amendment context. Id. at 2126. Instead, “the government must demonstrate that the regulation is consistent with this Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation.” Id. Additionally, pursuant to Rule 65, relevant factors for the Court to consider at the preliminary injunction phase include the public interest and possibility of harm to other interested persons. As the Court considered in its earlier Opinion in Koons, the State, thus far, has failed to present any “empirical evidence to suggest that concealed carry permit holders are responsible for gun crimes or an increase in gun crimes in New Jersey, which they cite as justification for the law.” [Docket No. 34.] Such evidence is certainly relevant to these factors. However, the Presiding Officers must keep the litigation progressing on the right track. All agree that violent crimes involving firearms are tragic. But the dictate of Bruen is clear: “legislative interest balancing is understandable—and, elsewhere, appropriate — [but] it is not deference that the Constitution demands here.” Bruen, 142 S.Ct. at 2131. While the Legislature may disagree with Bruen, it may not disobey it.

ANJRPC will have a brief breakdown today and a FULL report by Dan Schmutter ASAP! -

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Today in Newton gas was 3.35, 3.45 and 3.59 at stations along the strip. Apparently new loads are arriving and the prices increase accordingly.

Yes I know I seen those posters all over the PD. They are kind of funny. I can take a picture of one if you want to see. Also in the moment my shirt lift up. LMAO, what? I thought this was a traffic stop not a holly wood porno shot try out. Why the hell is my shirt randomly lifting up?

Police stop = Gov tax collector trying to steal from you so since you're so inclined to help. Why not just have the cop follow you to bank withdraw your limit and hand it to them. LOL. some of you people are a bunch of .... The law says I dont have to answer any of their questions and I can do one of two things. 1) show my ID and that generally ends most stops as if I were a cop. 2) Hide the ID and screw with the just because I can. Hell after work I race the cops going to the highway. My agency knows my car and I have yet to be stopped flying past them @ over 85.