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What's the price on it? Website is not loading... But pretty much everyone is 7075 forged or billet... personally I think billet looks nicer, even though not as strong. A5 is necessary because of unpinned flash hider and an 11.5" barrel. This should be in the same price as most of the other "Others"... like $1,300 or so. Otherwise, the same basic cheap Magpul sights and furniture, basic flash hider. And yes... brake works... they can put a linear comp on it if you are worried about people next to you, again though, not an issue at outdoor ranges, and if you are shooting this indoors... well... that is on you as the shooter. =)

what's the price on it? So looks like they are using the A5 buffer in order to make up for the 11.5" barrel... not a fan of regular flash hider, should include a brake. Otherwise, honestly looks fairly basic... wonder whose brand of barrel they are using.

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To buy or review included? If I was to buy one... Ruger 57... for sure. What I would really like to get hands on... interestingly... the Kimber Rapide black ice in 10mm. Also... the Zev/Brown 1911.

Ah ok. So this will depend on the company... and if they have any presence there. There are many American gun companies who contract out to China and then they get complaints... which should not be surprising considering they never went to China or did much QC... what they do is send the specs and contract with a factory to make the item... The smart ones will partner up with a local Chinese company to oversee production and do actual on site QC. And if they don't do on site QC... would anyone be shocked if the manufacturer changes things out as long as item looks/feels the same? Styrka chinese optics being good is not a surprise, considering Styrka's parent company is Celestron, who has the expertise in optics... With other optics companies? Many just go to the same factories and assume they will get the same quality as say a Vortex, Bushnell, etc... without actually testing them. And do the American companies care? Well, in the case of Vortex when they first launched the Chinese stuff at least... the higher return rate was more than offset by the cost savings of having it produced in China... And let's be honest... what percentage of gun owners are actually going to run their guns hard? Or even know there is a big issue?

Glad we are on the same page. And this is what I meant by... real world at dealers and live auctions, there was not that much of a jump... but do see that some folks were asking more than $3k which is nuts. $2k to $2.5k is where most I saw transact at... and most were really nice shape. Also interesting... the ones you linked, not original boxes... though the Colt blue box is worth about $100, the original cardboard boxes is where it's at. Personally, between the Nickle and Blued... Royal Blue is what I want...

Heh? Maybe my coffee did not kick in yet... not sure I understand?

Oh, not a problem... again, I am focusing on live auctions and retail... I do not watch Gunbroker prices... So even if 85% were going for $3k on GB... I call them idiots... when you can get those guns for $2k elsewhere.

hehe... I have prime to watch "Stargate" on prime video vs Netflix... But yeah, we have Amazon crap coming almost every day... will say it is more convenient now than driving 30 mins to the store... the perks of living in the boonies. Fantastic. I am sure it is a great value for the price. =) But yes, was pleasantly surprised myself. A lot of Chinesium stuff is very hit or miss, even if it looks the same. Now with the YT channel, I am getting almost daily requests from sellers and companies to review their stuff. Some is crap, a lot of average, and some stuff that is really quite impressive. I have since started a pretty good relationship with two companies in China and regular contact with their owners. Most interesting was discussing with one of them is the notion that Chinese manufacturing can give you EXACTLY what you want. Do you want Cheap? They can do that. Do you want high quality? They can also do that as well. Many american companies go to China to just have something produced to as cheap as they can get, as long as it meets their specs. What seems to be critical, is to go down there for on site QC... to inspect before taking them into inventory and paying for them. I recently had an expensive scope by a German company, but made in China, arrive dead on arrival... was interesting to find out that they do not inspect every scope, despite them costing more than $1k each. On the flip side, Styrka just sent me their new S7... it is an $800 scope that is REALLY nice... was shocked to find it was made in China. For these Binos, the owner of the company just sent me a picture of him visiting the factory doing QC on a new pair of binos they have coming out, a little nicer than the ones we have now. So... certainly interesting.

see below... I think once you get past 10 guns or so... you will have guns that you buy and don't really shoot. What I mean is that you buy them, shoot them once or twice, then they go in the safe and just get looked at. I.e. buying an original Python for a regular range toy is kinda silly... buy a new one for that. For me, the look and feel of the original Pythons is where its at. A year ago you had some stupid high prices that maybe some would pay... The Blued gun is gorgeous and $2k is a steal for it... The first one, would not be $3k... unless you know someone who would pay $3k for a gun that has pitting on the front barrel... those guns at real life auctions, in that condition were $2k tops. The second one, is just blah... wow... Even $2k may be high for it... anyone who was paying $2.7k for that is just speculating and an idiot. That is the worst condition Python I have seen come up for market lately.

They are out of stock, will be available in 5 days... at which point, yes. Get Amazon Prime. =) I am quite surprised Amazon took that long to ship to non-prime members.

Oooh, can we do a compare with yours? new vs original?

Came off of what prices? $3k plus? Those are just nuts prices that people are asking and only morons paid. =) Vast majority of Pythons I have seen in real life auctions and actually sold in stores were around $2000 to $2500. There were a few in the $3k plus, but those are pristine with original boxes... on Average that is where they have been and what I consider their value. I do not see them going below $2k, and $2,500 for a nice example. Original box adds $300. Yes, there were, and still are people asking $3k plus for Pythons, but very few were actually sold at those levels... much like a few FFLs asking $2,500 for SVT-40s, lol. From Alderfer, this was from 2 years ago... live auction.. Python sold for $2,500 Prices have been like that the past few years... The vast majority of Pythons have been in the $2,500 range for a while. The ones that go for more are either morons who get crazy OR... a more collectible example, shorter barrel lengths, royal blue finish, etc. In any case... a used beater python is not dropping below the price of a new production gun. And again, if you want a shooter... DO NOT buy an original python, it's pointless... buy a new one. The Python market, since 2000 or so, has not been a regular used gun, it has been a collector gun. Colt is not making THE original python anymore and will NOT be in the future. If anything, the introduction of the new Python will stabilize and raise prices for the original ones as people discover the gun and then go... "Wow, I wonder how the original one was." Most of all, I have yet to see a gun reintroduced that dropped the price on the originals. The Colt King Cobra did not, and originals are essentially twice the price of the new production ones, and so are the Cobras.... And somehow The new Python is going to be different? I suppose where we differ is that you think the market price on Python was $3k... I don't... I think it is the ridiculous asking price and most transactions in the real world were happening for less, with exceptions of flawless samples or those that have original boxes. Keep in mind, original colt box right now is about $200 to $400. (or was the last time I checked). I generally considered the Python value over the last 3 to 5 years to be in the $2,000 to $2,500 price range... and that is where they generally sell for at auction. What I think will happen is the original pythons are going to be brought closer to the $2k to $2.5k range with less outliers and less fear pricing... The new ones will sell quickly at $1,500 when they are released (and should be shipping now), though dealer price should be around $1,300 and you will be able to pick one up for around $1,350 in about a year, likely less. In any case, the market for Pythons and revolvers is small to begin with... besides, if Colt sells 50,000 of these, they will be lucky... the ENTIRE revolver market in 2018 for domestically produced revolvers was 598k... about half of which were 22s. Total revolvers produced chambered in 357 Magnum was 108k... most of which are Ruger and Smith. Out there right now are AT LEAST 566k guns that were documented to be manufactured through 1985... there was still 10 years more production through 96. So... 750k Pythons? Colt is selling a $1,500 revolver... at a time when very few people are actually buying revolvers and the average selling price is far lower... So realistically... they will sell 20k? (in the next 12 months)? 20k is not going to crush a market of 750k guns. @JohnnyB If you want one for $1,200, I should be able to get you one. Link to production numbers... https://www.coltforum.com/forums/python/76319-python-annual-production-numbers-1985-a.html

did you just order or were you one of the non-prime members? There were 2 people that were not yet refunded as they had not shipped yet. You will get it, don't worry. =) Weird... everyone's should have come inside the packaging... They will take care of it. =) Send me the order number and will pass it on to the seller. Should have been inside. They are running low on stock so it is possible the older inventory did not include it.

So just to add, final thought... My issue with the new Python is the price. As a collector, I think they are tarnishing the name, but from the business perspective, it makes PERFECT sense. The NEW Python is $1500 MSRP... so what is it competing with? Is it the stock S&W 686 and Ruger GP 100? If so, I do think the new Python looks the nicest out of all three, and will probably have a nicer stock trigger versus the stock GP 100 standard and stock 686... but it is also twice the price of a 686 and almost 3x the price of a Ruger GP100. So what if we compare against an $800 Ruger GP 100 Match Champion, a $900 Performance Center 686? or a $1300 Ruger Super GP100 from Ruger's Custom Shop? As a shooter... I doubt the production Python will stand close there... while it will still be more expensive. (for the next 6 months or so).

No I agree with it completely. The new Python is a MUCH nicer gun than the original Python as a shooter. However, just as he said... the SA trigger is not as nice, and it does not look as nice. To a collector, how it shoots is irrelevant. Hence why I am saying... the new Python is by all means a nicer and better built gun (except in how it looks, fit and finish and SA trigger). But you also have to take what he says with a grain of salt considering they filmed it AT the Colt media event at Gunsite, where they are flown in, wined and dined... you are not exactly going to be critical of the product at that event. The biggest difference with the new Python vs old... much more machining, less hand fitting, different trigger to make it simpler to produce (and more consistent), stronger frame, better sight. Trigger in Double Action is FAR better... (this was always where Colt sucked. SA was the best... DA sucked badly). So for a shooter, yes, this will make colts a better gun. To a collector, this will not make one bit of a difference. Hope I explained it clearly. So the question is... As a SHOOTER... is this gun twice as good as a 686 or a GP100? No, I highly doubt it. (and why I am working on my media requests as we speak...)

I have one like new in box, blued... super yummy... shot it twice if you want to play with. They are out there and much more readily available. @Alderfer Auction had a bunch two auctions ago that went for reasonable prices.

Pythons went from sub $1k to over $1,500 before The Walking Dead... since the Walking Dead they shot up to $3k... again I agree that is too much for them but the prices are being sustained. At this point, the Python market really IS a collectors market... and the new Python is not, which is why I am suggesting the original Pythons are not going back to "cheaper than the new ones"... even for shooters. Keep in mind, Pythons going up is what drove all of the snake guns up in price, everything from the Python down to the Diamondback.... have you looked at the diamond back prices? Even as Colt reintroduced the Cobra and the King Cobra, they had ZERO effect on those values... and guess what, they more than doubled... I picked up my like new King Cobra for around $750 IIRC back in the very early years of the forum... today I can get $1,500 to $2k for the gun, and a bit more at a live auction. A Diamond back can easily be $800 to $1,500 depending on caliber and condition, guns you were able to buy for $400 just 10 years ago. None of those guns were featured in movies either. It is as simple as Colt stopped making them... Even re-introduced, the first two go arounds with the New Cobra and NEW King Cobra.... no effect on the older guns... where in reality, there was less fineness. So sure, the trashed Python prices will come back down to reality... but your LNIB guns... are only going to get more scarce realizing that even the brand spanking new Pythons are not going to come close to the fit and finish and look of an original 70's Python. And I do think the car comparison is quite real... By all accounts, the new Python is a BETTER gun for a shooter... stronger frame, more reliable trigger, nicer in DA... BUT it is not going to get a collector or many to upgrade. Seriously, a question for anyone who owns an original Python... would you trade it in for a BRAND NEW Python? I highly doubt it. Want to shoot a Classic Python known for their legendary SA triggers? Or just want to shoot something that says "Python" on it?

Good video... also keep in mind, these videos at Gunsite... are at the Colt media event. But he does nail it perfectly... Original pythons look great, fantastic SA...

Here is a good video from Colt on the differences...

Correct...much like you do not buy a collector car or an exotic to be a daily driver. I have many pristine condition WW2 rifles, and a couple of snakes... but I shot them one or twice, and they only come out on special occasions... they are certainly not daily shooters. I merely enjoy looking at them and the history behind them. So yeah, I suppose I just became a gun collector. It is certainly not a secret that the original Pythons were quite weak... and it was not much of an issue when there were gunsmiths that can work on them... that is not the case anymore. Today, the Pythons really are collectibles. If I wanted a shooter, I would not be considering a Python.... maybe buy a used NEW Python... but the gun does not seem to be anything special besides another decent production revolver at twice the price of its competition. Again, no one is denying that this is a better gun... but saying that a C7 Corvette is going to make the older 60's models drop in value is kind of moronic. I mean... look at this.... You are NEVER getting this again.

Ok, @RUTGERS95 we can all agree that the new Python is a nice gun with a better design... IS it worth $1,500? Doubt it... it is the new Colt after all. As far as prices on the originals... Pythons have shot up in price WAY before The Walking Dead... A good python was in the $1,500 to $2,000 territory... it was only recently they jumped to $3k and I agree that is nuts. (for now) Just look at the King Cobras... the new ones are $799 all day long... the originals, $1,400 and up. The new pythons will sell for $1,500 for a few weeks and then they will be $1,100 to $1,200. There is ZERO conductibility there, it is NOT an original python... just looks like one on the surface, without the actual finish or hand fitting that made the Pythons unique. You are never going to get a Royal Blue Python ever again. And I doubt we will ever get a nice Nickle finished one or a Python that comes hand fitted. So... the new Python really should be compared to any ol new production 686, GP100, etc... and at twice the price? Eh. Will it have an impact on the collector market of old pythons? It may put a pause on the prices... but if anything, it may just send the original ones even higher in price. Just like you want an older Smith revolver versus a new one with the Hillary lock.

So that's precisely what I have seen too... like in the GT video. Better CNC machining, stronger, better, blah blah blah... they improved the new Colts to the same levels that Ruger and Smith have done for design and reliability. Where I feel Colts were "Colt" was precisely what they cannot do today... that awesome Royal Blue finish (EPA regs) and hand fitted parts by actual gunsmiths. So the question is... is a Python merely what the gun looks like? Or is a Python a Python because of what it represents, a fine revolver that was hand crafted? To me, the Python is like a holy grail piece of revolvers and what I think of when I think of American gunsmithing. And this is also why I feel it is a money grab to merely capitalize on the iconic name... and I can't blame them for doing it... but I can surely hold it against them. The insult of course is the price tag.... TWICE the price of a competing GP100 or a 686? GTFO. If it was in the same price point, or heck, even sub $1k.... I would gladly support it. But $1,500... without any of the things that make a Python a Python? No thanks. Realistically, that is what the King Cobra was... a production version of the Python.

Not yet... got one for me? =)