El Jefe

Will do. Already ordered a Vedder holster

I just checked and now my online status change to approved Took them almost exactly the 90 days they say is allowed by FL law. Funny how the workload matches the bureaucracy...

Is it worth all the hassle when you can get a legal one online quite cheap. Theoretically the spring on that mag was designed for a specific travel length that you now changed significantly.

I wonder if this can be tweaked to comply as other? and get a shorter barrel..... It's and IWI Tavor for those unfamiliar, it is a pup built on AR and AK combined platform

Thanks. Did you apply recently? And apologies to all members of the fair sex that applied and felt slighted by my use of guys!

Does anyone here have the FL CCW? I applied around October and am still getting the massage "we have 90 days to process blah blah" how long did it took you guys to get it approved?

The AR platform is one example when the price is not always tied to quality. Most of the players buy the receivers, BCG, Barrel and almost all the other parts from a few companies, and even many parts that are branded as a specific brand name come from same large manufacturers that offer branded parts to their clients. If you look at the parts installed in the AR that you like and figure out who made them that will give you a good idea about quality...

Let's assume for a minute that the "40% independents" is the real number and that they somehow divide on the gun issue. According to the poll you quoted there are 31% democrats and 29% republicans. So if the independents divide equally or if we ignore them you have to concede that there are at least the same number of people in the US that share the same views as me as they are people that share your views. So let me paste my original remark to you.... Sniper - are you questioning the fact that 50% of the US population disagrees with you view that "the right to own guns trumps any other topic" really? you are asking for studies and facts on this little tidbit? Now you can argue till we both are blue in the face, but your opinion about gun rights is just that an opinion, one that I'm willing to listen to, but you condescending self righteousness needs to be curbed. There are no facts on your side that training is not a good idea. As someone who spent over six years of his life in military service I am a firm believer in being trained on the use of weapon and the respect of said weapon. If you are comfortable with your weapon your chances of shooting your foot or emptying a clip into the air or worse in time of need are exponentially smaller. And once more, I welcome an opposing view from people that are actually trained in using guns, whether through military, law enforcement, or seasoned NRA instructors that will voice there opinion why training is not a good idea, and not regurgitate the old "I have a right" that has nothing to do with training...

Sniper - are you questioning the fact that 50% of the US population disagrees with you view that "the right to own guns trumps any other topic" really? you are asking for studies and facts on this little tidbit? You can't say in one sentence that all democrats are gun haters that are looking to limit your rights and then on the other sentence claim there is no proof that 50% of Americans disagree with you on gun rights. Unless you believe that there is no real democratic party base and all the ballots of the last 5 elections where democrats were 50% of the votes are all fake? Which makes me wonder, were you ever wrong about anything in your life. If you cannot even accept this little fact that many oppose your point of view, and cannot admit to yourself that you are wrong about anything, my guess is that you are wrong a lot : )

You are a true defender of free speech here, aren't you RUTGERS95, wishing me to "slip on ice and not get up" just because I do not see the world in the exact shade of stupid you believe in. I on the other hand wish you good health, as someone who is comfortable in their views I have no problem debating the opposition. And while you think I'm ignorant and myopic 50% of this country, and over 70% of the western world population share my views and not yours. So you have to stop and think, is there half a percent chance you didn't get it right on any topic? And as a reminder what we are really on about, this is not a philosophical debate about every single thing in life, this is just about guns. I'm 100% pro gun ownership with the caveat of mental health and background check and mandatory safety training for the first weapon of a kind you buy. E.g. first hand gun - get training. First rifle - get training. One single item I disagree with most here, and I'm the enemy. If it makes you that angry making you think your neighbor is your enemy, this indicates more about you then about the topic - FEAR, you just live in fear.

It seems that many here agree that training is good, but some object to the mandatory part. Now without raffling anyone's feathers, the constitution doesn't say that personal ownership without training is granted. It mentions Militia, which one could argue that in a Militia training is implied as part of what makes a Militia, a militia. So without trying to belittle the constitution most of what people are saying here is an interpretation of a very general notion, so sticking to the most general interpretation doesn't make it necessarily the right one. As to the whole "right" concept. If we have to get a permit and pay for the gun and permit is it really a right? Voting is a right and it is free, if you are trying to equate gun ownership to voting, should that be free as well? I would argue that in a capitalistic society anything you have to pay for is not a right, it is a privilege : )

So does your answer means that you are a law enforcement / military and you think there shouldn't be any training or you just obsessed with Democrats? And for those who do chime in with an actual input, I thank you for your point of view.

I took the 5 minute to read the link. And of course there is no mention of safety training. And of course it all refers to a militia, which means an organized group with some structure. Are you suggesting that every person that buys a gun becomes a militia? I'm pro guns, I'm against self entitled close mindedness. You want to own a gun. Get a permit, get trained and own a gun. I would accept the NRA "basics of pistol shooting" as safety training and an equivalent course for a rifle. You can't pass a 4 hour training that costs $100 you have no business owning a firearm and ask for the rights of a militia.

You are saying the exact same thing as I am, but let yourself get angry and then go blind. Other then the gun issue, which is really not that important for us in our daily life as we clearly have guns and no one is stopping us from owning as many as we want, there are so many issues and on 99% of them were theoretically a democrat candidate may be to your advantage. As to infringement. If you show me where in the constitution it says that training is not allowed or is a direct infringement, I will join you in objecting it. But the fact of the matter is that the constitution was written in a time when the world was a lot simpler. One could also say that having to pay for a gun is against the constitution, or that mental health check is also against the constitution. Or even needing a permit. Heck let's just have guns sold in the supermarket. Now as loaded as the abortion subject is, no one accidently killed their next door neighbor when having an abortion, and we could argue whether it should be legal or not, but equating this to a weapon is a false equivalency. I suggest that we have an informal poll here among people that were / are law enforcement and military and see who thinks it is a good idea to give people guns without any training whatsoever, as one of those I certainly think that you should train people, and my army training from almost 40 years ago is so engrained that when I go to the range, looking at the way some people handle their guns makes me want to cry.

If you want to have an intelligent discussion don't copy only half of what someone said

What doesn't need to be reformed? Allowing Carry in all states equally would be the first thing that jumps to mind. As well as creating a smarter way to try and control assault rifles that is not based on silly things as we have in NJ. If I will have a retractable buttstock is my AR really more deadly then with the fixed one? Or why is a silencer forbidden? And yes - I think there should be mandatory safety training for first time gun owners.

OK for the last time. I didn't say he didn't mean it. I'm just saying that it is close to impossible for any president to do it. Now this has nothing to do with my political inclination, the price of tea, or any other irrelevant sad story. I just believe that it will take a political coalition that none of the sides can amess. Now you can keep hating me for voting Biden, I don't care. I stand by my forecast, not because I'm trying to change anyone opinion here to vote for someone other then whoever they were going to vote to, just because I do not see a way for any serious gun reform in either direction for the foreseeable future. Man you are on to me, it is me Fidel : )

Dude, you have got to chill. Not anything that you think or heard is a fact. It is a fact that in all the years when democrats ruled the white house, we never turned into a communist state. My point is that I forecast that nothing will be done by Biden if he is elected to restrict gun ownership. If you have an intelligent contribution please chime in, if not I don't care about Rachel Maddow, or Wolf Blister, or Barbara Streisand or anyone else you do not like and has nothing to do with this topic.. Peace Brother : )

When is the last time someone shot themselves in the foot with a voter card? This is just false equivalency. Guns are dangerous, just like cars, motorcycles, boats etc. If you cannot agree that asking someone to take a 2 hour class on gun safety and shooting 30 rounds is too much then you are just following some propaganda you heard and not thinking for yourself. Would you like to allow your kids school teacher to carry a gun to school and have it in their purse when you kid is in the class, if they never learned how to handle a gun? of course not. Do you let your kids play with a gun without teaching them how to use it? also no. So why is the issue of safety training so hard to talk about?

Is there a topic that you will not make into the same old rhetoric? You think democrats are evil incarnate, and in a democracy you are entitled to your opinion, but come on. Listening to you, one would think that Donald Trump was the president that took over from George Washington and democrats never had any majority or a president, and if god forbid they will, they will give the country to the Russians. As to your other post. So you honestly believe that everything that a politician says they will do is 100% going to happen? Notice I never said he didn't say it, I just said that he cannot make it happen.

I agree with you 100% that taking 30 days or more to approve a gun purchase is unacceptable. I want to point out that to get a car license you need a test. Both theoretical and practical. I would support legislation that makes sure that ALL new gun owners will get their gun permit within 5 business days as long as it includes training and a practical test.

Let's take a breath here... Just because a politician says something on his web site and means it with his little hart, doesn't mean it will happen. Hell I want to make love to Angelina Jolie, and even got a theoretical pass from the wife. Does that mean it will happen if I post this on my web site? My point is, and if you let your blinding hate for Biden or anyone that is not Trump aside for a minute you may find it valid, that changing the gun laws is not something that the president can do. Further more with state rights, it is not clear if even congress and senate can do a significant change. Just try and count on you hand the actual major changes to gun laws done in the last 20 years....

While I cannot forecast the election results, I can with great accuracy forecast what Biden, if he wins, will do to the gun and ammo availability. Nothing! Absolutely nothing, sure there will be a lot of sheep running to stock on guns and ammo for a couple of months but any of us that owns guns in case of needing to use them for real, already have enough guns, and probably enough ammo. And the sad truth is that nothing can be done about gun laws in the US, sad because in a state like New Jersey there are so many restrictions that do not make any sense, while on some other states the laws are way to loose. I'm sure we all here agree that to check for mental health and criminal record, and have you a day or two when you get your first gun, are not unreasonable expectations. I doubt you have enough democrats that will take on the gun issue at the risk of alienating their voters. And the republicans are sure not touching this. So I forecast, nothing, no actual legislation, but there will be some talk and some sound bites.

I quoted the last time the diagram was … I have a non NFA and understand the rules, it just seems that with all these questions that people have, it is not as easy to understand for everyone....

The diagram needs to be fixed, there is a typo there, on the left green box it says - under 26" - it should say over as with the pinned and welded device you are over 26"