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Supreme Court Takes First 2A Case in a Decade
KurtC replied to Bklynracer's topic in National Gun Law Discussion
Correct. You do not have to surrender your dwelling. -
Supreme Court Takes First 2A Case in a Decade
KurtC replied to Bklynracer's topic in National Gun Law Discussion
Yes. It actually includes your property and home. Castle Doctrine in NJ is extremely limited. Inside your home you cannot use deadly force to prevent a robbery, even if the intruder has a weapon. If he is just stealing, you have to retreat and call police. You can only use deadly force if the intruder is trying to kill you or inflict grave bodily harm. On your property, you have a duty to retreat into your home. If you kill an assailant, the court will look to the history of both the assailant and you. If the assailant has a history of carjackings or break ins and has never harmed anyone, you are screwed. If you have been posting on social media, like a gun forum, that you have the right to kill anyone who threatens you, well....good luck. -
Supreme Court Takes First 2A Case in a Decade
KurtC replied to Bklynracer's topic in National Gun Law Discussion
Feeling threatened alone or being verbally threatened alone does not justify the use of lethal force in New Jersey. There has to be other conditions. Carjackers do not normally kill people in their cars, as it is difficult to remove the body and clean up the brains and blood. If you see an armed individual approaching your car, you are certainly permitted to draw and verbally challenge. If he raises his knife or handgun at that point, lethal force is justified. There was a case in Philadelphia a year ago where the victim was standing outside of his vehicle, in his mother's driveway. In that incident, the assailant shot and killed the victim and then drove off the vehicle. In that case the victim would certainly have been justified in using lethal force for self defense, but he was unarmed. Take as much quality training as available. Read up on expert witness testimonies. -
Supreme Court Takes First 2A Case in a Decade
KurtC replied to Bklynracer's topic in National Gun Law Discussion
This is where you need to take the time to learn the specifics of New Jersey self defense law. If you receive proper training, they will explain a lot of it. In general, lethal force cannot be used in New Jersey to protect property, such as your vehicle, even if the assailant has a weapon. The assailant has to be actually trying to inflict grave bodily harm or death in order to obtain your property. This applies even in your own home. You are permitted to draw your firearm to a ready position and verbally challenge the assailant. Hopefully, this discourages him and he retreats. In order to discharge your firearm, the threat not only has to be immediate, but it has to be "imminent." This is an extremely subjective legal term, especially in NJ. Be sure to have a lawyer that is familiar with firearm law in this state. The criminal has more rights than you do. If the carjacker approaches you from the blind side and points a gun at your head, don't think that you can draw and fire before he pulls the trigger. It takes an extensive amount of training to come even close to that. -
Supreme Court Takes First 2A Case in a Decade
KurtC replied to Bklynracer's topic in National Gun Law Discussion
Every liberal media outlet in the US is chomping at the bit to find out who it will be. I'm not trying to convince folks not to carry, I'm just trying to make folks aware of reality in NJ. By the way, you cannot use lethal force to stop a carjacking. This is where you need to be aware of the extremely limited conditions where lethal force can be used in self defense. This isn't Pennsyltucky. -
Supreme Court Takes First 2A Case in a Decade
KurtC replied to Bklynracer's topic in National Gun Law Discussion
Any incident with your sidearm is going to get you arrested, for something. There is a long list of possibilities. The Self Defense plea in NJ is extremely restricted. Hopefully, the judge allows bail and you can afford it. Otherwise, you are going to spend the next 6-12 months sitting in jail while a 25 year old Public Defender visits you for 5 minutes a week, telling you that he is working on your case (which he isn't). When your court date finally comes up, he throws you under the bus with a plea bargain. Welcome to the real world. -
Supreme Court Takes First 2A Case in a Decade
KurtC replied to Bklynracer's topic in National Gun Law Discussion
Exactly. Everything is against you in NJ. Our state animal should be the Lawyer. The SCOTUS decision gives us more liabilities than rights. You now can enjoy the right of carrying 2 lbs of steel on your hip and wearing extra clothing in the summer heat. You still do not have right of self defense. -
Supreme Court Takes First 2A Case in a Decade
KurtC replied to Bklynracer's topic in National Gun Law Discussion
Rittenhouse spent 2 years of his life defending his actions and only won because it was televised. If it wasn't on TV, he would have been railroaded into prison for the rest of his life. You can't imagine all the possible charges and lawsuits you will face for using a firearm to defend yourself. You might be lucky enough to stop the assailant, but if you injure an innocent bystander, they will nail you to wall. If you used a sidearm that you haven't qualified with, well...that's just icing on the cake for DA. -
Supreme Court Takes First 2A Case in a Decade
KurtC replied to Bklynracer's topic in National Gun Law Discussion
I used to go hiking in Vermont. When I inquired about firearms, I was told that while the state has no permitting requirement, there are local ordinances that may have prohibitions as well individual buildings. -
Supreme Court Takes First 2A Case in a Decade
KurtC replied to Bklynracer's topic in National Gun Law Discussion
The way my attorney explained it to me... It's my butt that's on the line. If I am involved in an incident and cannot prove that I am proficient with the exact sidearm that was used, I can lose my freedom, job, home and money. I have to defend my actions in both criminal and civil courts. I make sure that I document extensive training and a qualification with any sidearm I carry, whether there is an actual statute or not. The fact that they want you to do the initial qual with the one you will carry kinda tells you where their line of thinking is. Cover your butt every way possible. You have everything to lose. -
Every qual I have used has been 80% minimum. You usually get two chances. If you pass on the first round, ask if you can use a different handgun for the second. Make sure they put both handguns on your paperwork.
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Supreme Court Takes First 2A Case in a Decade
KurtC replied to Bklynracer's topic in National Gun Law Discussion
You don't get extra points by using LE for references. They usually don't allow LE from within your home agency. There is no set time limit. The qualification has to be within 6 months of the application, so that may be a good standard. Check with your agency, they have final say. -
For the civilian permit, you only need to qualify when you apply or renewal, which is every 2 years. If you decide to carry a different handgun, qualify on your own and keep a copy for your records. You will need it prove proficiency with that particular sidearm in the event of a shooting. If the qual is 60 rounds, the standard Q target is 5 points or 0, hit or miss. Divide your total point by three. If it is the Q target with the inner circles and the outside border. The circles are 5, the bowling pin is 4 and the border is 3. Outside the border is 0. Add up and divide by 3.
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No. The Bruen ruling only eliminated having to show need.
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The FBI Q target represents the vital areas of the body where a hit is most likely to stop a threat. It sort of looks like a bowing pin. The standard one is hit or miss. There are variations with circles in the head and chest that may be worth more points and ones on a larger silhouette where hits outside the bowling pin are worth lesser points.