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All true. A gun shop can't give you the same you'll get in a private sale and stay in business. What S&W yu looking to get rid of?

My oldest daughter was 4 when I first took her to the range. Her education about guns started earlier than that. I was a police officer and she saw guns everyday. It all depends on the individual. My daughter got to understand what guns do at a early age. Some people are 40 and shouldn't be anywhere near a gun. You just have to be sure you put it in a context she can understand.

Take the action out of the wood and brake kleen on the metal. Just don't get any on the wood as it will make the finish run at the very least. Brake kleen won't hurt the metal.

Yeah and let's throw everything into the fire if we can't have it all. He's been rated a C which is much better than a solid F. If you can't have it all you'd rather have a total failure. This logic is what hurts the 2A movement in this state. Rights weren't lost in one fell swoop but incrementally over time. That's the way they can reinstated, bit by bit. Rather than taking a chance of making some headway you rather maintain things the way they are. I'm sure Menendez appreciates your support. I'm far from satisfied with Christie but if he teaches people in NJ are better off with reduced government spending and lower taxes his successor might be able to work on correcting 2A issues. This isn't going to happen unless we get more conservatives in the state legislature. What works for Scott Walker in WI isn't going to work necessarily in NJ. That's why they call it politics.

Maybe 15 years ago it was common to see manufacturers call their ammo 9mm Luger. They'd been doing it for years. Somehow it came up that Stoeger owned the name Luger and everyone started using the original name 9mm Parabellum. 30 Winchester Centerfire became 30-30, 30 US Govt became 30-40 Krag, etc., etc.

NRA rates Kyrillos a C and Menendez a F. Kyrillos has my vote. Gun rights are not an issue to most NJ voters. A few years ago here in NJ there was a pro 2A candidate who wanted to bring CCW to NJ. The opposition turned this around to a series of ads with a very nasal sounding grandmother saying "he's for hidden handguns". He lost. If I were Kyrillos I wouldn't mention any 2A issues either. They would be twisted around by the Democrats and bite me in the a**. Any politician who makes a big deal over supporting the 2A in NJ will lose any state wide election. Politics is not like spending the day at grandma's where you get everything you want. I'll settle for the C candidate over the F any day. Sometimes you need to settle for what's available.

Shawn you picked the wrong points to argue. As a cop and as a "Special Agent" with the Federal government I've dug a few holes to recover things that were buried. If the police are searching for a buried dead body they don't call in a work crew of laborers to dig. There are a lot of other things in my law enforcement career that was not in my job description and my agency never trained me for. I've unloaded tons of dope from cars, trucks, aircraft, and boats, disassembled machinery, fixed cars, trucks, boats, radios and a bunch of other stuff. I've even removed insulation to hide surveillance equipment and somehow figured out how to put it back so it looked like it wasn't disturbed. I can't say I ever dug a hole as a teacher but I did do electrical and plumbing work and fixed audio visual equipment. That was nearly 40 years ago so I don't know what NJEA would say about those this today. I can't say I ever saw an electrician arrest someone but I can guarantee you it has happened somewhere as a citizens arrest. I don't think that you can claim an electrician never arrested anyone. I find your laborer/chemistry teacher thing ridiculous. To be a chemistry teacher you need a bachelor's degree which would mean approximately 2500 hrs of class, lab, and studying chemistry, completion of a common education core (history, math, english, etc), and completion of a professional sequence of courses for teacher certification. To be a journeyman laborer you need five years of studying shovels, picks, rakes, and hand tools. I doubt you'll find many laborers qualified to teach chemstry but 99.9% of chemistry teachers know how to use a shovel. You're being evasive about any dealings with OSHA. Yeah there are few of them but did you ever or know someone who called them regarding a serious safety issue on a job site? Is that the history the union teaches? If you really study your history the 40 hr work week was created by Henry Ford in 1926. He also paid his factory workers twice as much as they could make elsewhere. The UAW wasn't founded until 1935. Ford did this so his workers could afford to buy the cars they built and had time to spend all the money they made. This also forced other industries to pay their workers more which meant more people who could afford to buy Fords cars. Most people, including union people, didn't have a 40 hr workweek until after WWII.

Highly specialized crafts like turning a generator on and off or digging a hole? Come on if we are talkling insulators, electricians, and carpenters yes that's much more specialized. I wouldn't want an insulator doing elecrical work. However I can't see how you justify digging a hole or turning a generator on and off, both of which a 12 year old can do as "specialized crafts". How much education and apprenticeship is required for a laborer to dig a hole?

You ever call them? If not then what do you base your response on. Or is your response what the union told you? All I know is working through govt agencies worked for me. If you haven't tried it you have no basis for your statement. Are you also telling me that your union would not send you someplace else to work? So I guess you agree with everything else I said other than OSHA?

Safety issues can be addressed to OSHA and NJ DOL. They will penalize the violator and you could recover lost wages. If enough people do this word gets around and potential violators stop even thinking of breaching regulations. Of course unions don't pursue this avenue because there is nothing in it for them. Your union rep showing up and convincing this guy to comply just leaves this guy to try and do the same thing again. If he had to pay a fine and your lost wages he'd remember. You might question the value of using a government agency. I was not permitted any union represntation in the position I held as a civilian in Federal government. Any grievances could be pursued through the Merit Systems Protection Board, the Office of Personnel Management, Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, and agency grievance procedures. I used all of these at times. Yeah, as a white male I filed a couple of EEO complaints and retaliation complaints. Never used an attorney for any of this. I'm not trying to say I'm the smartest guy in the world just trying to illustrate the procedures are not that difficult. Oh yeah, you don't "win" these things when your a Federal employee, they are "settled" or thrown out. Always "settled" on mine. Unions are not needed today as they have been in the past. Maybe due to my military background (active duty, Guard, and Reserves from 1967 to 2009) I find the "its not my job" thing extremely distasteful. If we had unions in the military we never would have won any war. I know union guys who were out of work for over a year while the "union officers" still drew their paychecks and drove cars leased by the union. Their wives and girlfriends did too for doing office work and getting paid union scale. $45 an hour for filing And knocking out letters on a pc! The hierarchy in most unions, their efforts to perpetuate mediocre performance, and their "for the worker" mentality are way too reminiscent of the Communist Party in the Soviet Union.

DOL stats say 17% or so of the workforce in NJ are in unions. I would guess (but can come up with a more accurate figure if pressed) that would maybe represent 25% or less of the middle class. How are the rest of them making it without a union?

I never have any problems at Dicks as I don't go there.

I was not trying to imply there was anything wrong with shipping the gun to the out of state FFL only addressing the NJ registration.

I don't think all that is permitted. Its easy to say sue the Feds but the Federal Tort Claims Act limits what you can sue the Feds for.

If the guy were in NJ, NJSP would transfer it when they got their copy of the P2P. I would call NJSP firearms to find out what they would need if you transferred a handgun to an out of state FFL. KS laws are not material here, registration with NJ is.

It looks to me that the guys in the video "fell" down or were pushed down by the attacker instead of "choosing" to go down. All I know is purposely hitting the ground has saved my a** more than once. Other results may differ.

As Matt said it depends if the out of state FFL will accept a shipment from a non-ffl. The other issue would be if you bought this handgun while a NJ resident on a P2P. If you ship it directly to an out of state FFL the gun will still be registered to you with NJSP. The only sure way I know the gun will be "unregistered" to you is if you have a NJ FFL ship the gun for you.

No difference than Colt calling their 357s and 44s just "magnums" instead of the proper name "S&W Magnum" or "44 Remington Magnum" or just 38 special instead of "S&W Special". Just as other gun makers don't want to put their competitor's names on their guns like 45 Auto for 45 ACP, 380 Auto for 380 ACP, 223 for 223 Remington, and so forth and so on. You'll get over it.

The G17 grip can be cut down to accept G19 mags but then you have a G19 grip. This isn't cheap. The solution to your issue is to get a FFL to mod G17 mags to 15 rd capacity. This is a common NJ mod and you can most likely find one of the sponsors of this site to do it.

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So is checker getting the ammo?

If checker doesn't take this ammo I will and pick it up at your availability.

Like I said the $50 is worth avoiding problems. I haven't seen the application form in some time. Last time I did there was a block for your agency to list the handguns your agency knows you own. The only ones listed were the two personally owned handguns I was carrying at work when I retired. The qualification form has space for three guns to be listed. AFAIK it doesn't make a difference which ones you actually carry. Of course its a good idea to qual with what you'll carry. LEOSA says you can carry any gun of the "same type of action" you qual with. Doesn't specify what they consider "type of action". For CYA purposes I qual with a DA revolver, a 1911, and a Glock. The 1911 to cover SA auto and the Glock DA. While the Glock is really a striker fired it and AFAIK every other striker fired semi auto is classed as a DA by ATF. That's because when they started importing the Glock there was nothing else that covered it on the import point scheme ATF uses. It may be overkill to qual with two semi autos but that's what I do. When I qual guys, say with a Glock, I caution them that they can't carry a revolver under LEOSA unless they qualify with one.

I am in that boat now. I read the NJ AGs opinion letter on that and find it interesting. The AG recognizes LEOSA for out of state active and retired LEOs but says if you are a NJ resident you have to get a RPO permit. Federal law covers everyone but a NJ resident retired LEO? I am not a legal scholar but how in the hell does the NJ AG get off saying Federal law does not apply if you are a NJ resident? I know some retired guys living in NJ that qualify carry their retired ID and qual record which covers them under LEOSA. I would really like to see NJ prosecute a NJ resident retired LEO who fulfills the requirements of LEOSA but doesn't get a NJ RPO permit. I will admit I spend the $50 and do the quals as it seems like a cheap way of avoiding issues.

My attitude is you should keep a bedside gun in the same condition you would if you were carrying it. If you wake up to a noise in the night you need to make it as easy as possible to get yourself ready. Train like you fight, fight like you train. I also keep the gun in a holster within reach of the bed (I have no small child issues). SA auto would be cocked and locked (springs are springs no taking set issues), DA autos hammer down with safety on, Glocks chambered, revolvers loaded.