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Nose to charging handle

After attending quite a few shotgun classes, I really like semi autos, as I have seen way too many people short stroke pumps under the minimal stress of a class. I would be very worried about what could happen under the increased stress of a life or death encounter.

Last time I ate there was over 20 years ago! Too bad I won't be able to make it.

I have been using a ghetto waved Benchmade Griptillian (tip up) for 5 or 6 years now. In my opinion it gives me the best compromise between in fight weapon access, daily utility, and compliance with NJ laws. Here is an article Chris Fry of MDTS wrote a while back about carry knives http://www.mdtstrain...20Selection.pdf which touches upon the tip up/down issue. If you ever want to test tip up/down, I have a Benchmade Griptillian trainer which can be set up either way, and I am happy to get together with you for some light force on force testing of which way is easier to access under stress or in fight. I will tell you in advance that a centerline mounted fixed blade wins over any folder.

2 out from closed. I am 6'3".

I think Tosser is in PA hunting Bambi

I would be interested in a NV class. However, as I said in your other thread, good luck finding a host facility in NJ.

No problem Cameron. He would also be interested in any CCW classes at Range 14 too.

You may be able to rent an indoor range, then shut out the lights? However that really limits what you can do, particularly with rifles. I generally head down to a friend's farm and gravel pit in Maryland for anything like that.

Good luck finding a range in NJ that will let you do it.

I also have a friend who wants to take your next south jersey Utah class.

I have moved 3 600+ lb safes, and 2 500+ lb safes with two friends and a hand truck. If you can, take the door off, as most of the time it weighs about 1/3rd of the total weight. Even the internal hinge doors come off. I moved one 1900 lb safe from one side of a garage to the other side with my truck (pulling it out with a strap, and pushing it back with an 8 foot 4x4).

Better Deal at $4.99/box, even with shipping added. Edited to add: SOLD OUT

Good post Anthony. One thing I really like in an instructor is their ongoing efforts to learn and improve, and Mr. Sente really showed that he continually strives to do so in his comments. Is there any way to tell who will be instructing any given GFH class, as the course descriptions/calendar does not indicate who will be instructing?

Cool, so with all of the discounts you are down to $360/day with lunch (and I have heard good things about your food). However the average cost of the other trainers mentioned is $243.75/day. I don't think Clint Smith travels, but all of the other trainers mentioned do travel, and those are the prices that they would charge at a range in NJ. I don't think any of them provide lunch though

Nick's #s with days bolded: GFH Urban Pistol I and II classes, cost $225 each, so for a ONE day class the student is paying $450 Ken Hackathorn 2 Day Adavanced Handgun $450 Larry Vickers Handgun I (Two Day) $450 MDTS Combative Pistol 1+2+3+4 (Two Day) $370 Kyle Lamb Pistol Classes $250 per day Tactical Response Fighting Pistol (Two Day) $400 Thunder Ranch (Clint Smith) 3 Day Defensive Handgun $930 Magpul Dynamics, Dynamic Handgun (two day) $550 Rob Pincus charges $500 for a TWO day class

The prices are listed in Anthony's first post quoting Tosser in this thread, and it seems to me that you have to check your math as GFH's prices for ONE day of training, are similar to the other trainers prices for TWO days of training. I am not saying GFH's prices are too high, they obviously aren't as people are paying them.

Bry@n, you said Tosser, but quoted me so I will reply. If GFH had exclusive rights and was excluding competition, it would be his right, but it would also be my right as a consumer to consider that when choosing where to take training. I think the epitome of capitalism is success through offering a superior product at a lower price, not colluding to suppress your competition. Fortunately GFH has indicated that he is not trying to suppress competition, and I take him at his word on that, so we no longer have an issue.

Bry@n, I routinely travel to take training classes. I have recently traveled to Syracuse NY, Pittsburgh PA, and Culpeper VA for training classes. I am already signed up for classes in Culpeper VA (Southnarc ECQC), and Pelham NH (Kyle Lamb Carbine 1.5) for next year. I have already trained with Rob (in VA at the Mid-Atlantic Training Conference last year), so I am more concerned with bringing him to NJ so that other people who are unwilling to travel can do the same. That being said, if a class happens in NJ I will attend as I can definitely learn more and improve my performance.

Anthony, the exclusive "rumor" keeps cropping up because your employee, Art, stated that you have exclusive rights to run training classes at SJSC to me at the NJ2AS meeting when I was trying to help make this class happen, and other people who have contacted SJSC about hosting classes have been told the same thing. I am glad to hear that it is not true. Once again I will state that I have nothing to say about your training or trainers as I have not trained with you. As to your prices, I believe in capitalism, and you can charge whatever you want

A little background for those who are not familiar with the situation: A few months ago Rob Pincus of ICE Training, Downrange TV, SWAT magazine, etc. spoke at a NJ2AS meeting. At that meeting he offered to do a class in NJ to benefit the NJ2AS. If I remember correctly he offered to donate $50 of each student's tuition to NJ2AS. Having been fortunate enough to train with Rob, both as a student in his class, and as a fellow student in another trainers class, I was excited to hear this offer. An opportunity for some good training, and it would benefit the NJ2AS! At the NJ2AS meeting I spoke to Art Barton of SJSC, and an instructor for GFH, about hosting Rob at SJSC. Art told me that Anthony has exclusive rights to conduct training at SJSC so I should talk to him. As Anthony is a board member of the NJ2AS I was sure he would be happy to host Rob, so I went over to ask him about it. He was kind of busy so I mentioned it to him, but it did not go any farther. After a few months had gone by I posted in the now locked thread asking if any progress had been made toward bringing Rob to NJ for a class. As no progress had been made, I suggested GFH host Rob at SJSC as before GFH's exclusive deal I had taken classes there and knew they had a good facility for training classes, and had been amenable to hosting training classes. I was told this was not possible, but never really got a strait answer as to why. So Anthony, will you now give a strait answer as to why YOU won't host Rob at SJSC to benefit the NJ2AS? I commend you on your generous offer to Tosser,and I am sure your guys will have fun shooting the **** out of him

In that situation (SWAT) I can see why someone might do that, but it still seems slower to me as you don't have good control/firing grip/sight alignment on your rifle. It is faster to shoulder your rifle, get your sights up into your plane of vision, then quickly pop out of cover all ready to fire. You will be using cover at the MDTS carbine class you are taking next month, and Chris will be doing a lecture/demo of how and why to use cover correctly.

It wasn't me.

To me that invites your adversary to aim at your rifle when you put it over your cover and give away your position, then wait for you to pop up for a clean headshot.

I definitely prefer to break cover to the side as you expose much less of your head, and your eye breaks cover almost immediately. On the other hand, when you pop up you expose a lot of head/brain, and as you pop up about 1/3rd of your head is exposed before you can even see what is going on.