Joelk

I ordered some ammo from them on Sunday the 24th, and received it on Thursday the 27th

I can see your point now, and canting the rifle in that situation does somewhat minimize your exposure. However, I look at breaking cover in that manner as a last resort as it still exposes a lot of your head as you beak cover.

BBK, I am having trouble picturing what you are describing as far as canting the rifle 45 degrees. Are you talking about doing so when breaking horizontal cover, vertical cover, or maybe when you have diagonal cover? As far as the original video is concerned I thought it was very funny.

If you can take a low light force on force class. It will show the respective benefits of handheld and gun mounted lights, gun mounted lasers, and strobe features through actual use. For a good class look into Southnarc's Shivworks AMIS (armed movement in structures) class.

You can do it as in individual, which requires pictures, prints and a law enforcement sign off. You can do a trust, which is a little hassle to set up but no pictures, prints, or LE signoff. Trusts also allow multiple people to posses the items as you can have multiple trustees. You can also go corporation, but it is more hassle then the trust with the same benefits. For more NFA reading go HERE and check out the FAQ and pinned threads. If you have any questions feel free to ask me as I have done been playing with this stuff for a few years and have done lots of Form 1s (to make a NFA item) and Form 4s (to transfer a NFA item).

ARs are easy. If you need any tools you are welcome to borrow mine. For a first SBR I recommend a 11.5" as the 10.5" can be finicky. Do a suppressed 22 too as they are tons of fun and cheap. I have a Maryland NFA Trust form if you are going the trust route, just check what PA requires. Just be patient as the NFA process is a slow one.

I gave Ray from Buckeye your contact info last night, so I assumed he had contacted you. If you don't hear from him soon let me know and I will follow up with him.

Yes, the same discount Rob offered to all NJ2AS members

Me too, which is why I have been pushing to make it happen since the night Rob made the generous offer at the NJ2AS meeting.

Regardless of the discussion here, Frank and Ray from Buckeye are now in touch and working on making a Rob Pincus class happen in NJ to benefit the NJ2AS.

Likewise Anthony.

I am happy to apologize to Anthony if I was wrong, but I was told that Gun for Hire has exclusive rights to run training at SJSC at the NJ2AS meeting by Art Barton of SJSC, who I understand also works for Gun for Hire. I also know of other people who have approached SJSC about hosting classes and they were told that Gun for Hire has exclusive rights to host training classes there. I have not made any comments on the quality of Gun for Hire training as I have not taken any. I have been a fellow student with Art Barton at SJSC in the past, but I will refrain from going into what happened then

Frank, sorry for some of the harshness, but I know some of the South Jersey guys, like Tosser, and even myself to some degree, are a little disappointed that South Jersey Shooting Club and Gun for Hire have made an agreement to exclude all other trainers, as we enjoyed taking training classes there with various trainers. As you have seen, between the laws and ranges, it is difficult to get good trainers to come to NJ as it is, without ranges/NJ trainers specifically excluding them. It just seems hard to believe, particularly without a clear reason, that a range that used to have no problem hosting classes (I attended a few there, some that Tosser set up), now can't host Rob for any other reason than that Gun for hire, who has exclusive rights to host classes there, doesn't want it to happen. I even spoke to Art from SJSC at the NJ2AS meeting when Rob made his offer and he was all for a class, but told me to talk to Anthony who did not seem interested. Hopefully you can work something out at Buckeye (who has been very accommodating to various training and forum events)!

Always Tig, but watch out as the battlecomp is stainless so cold blue will not refinish it well.

I guess I shouldn't even ask why. I asked him (and Art) at the meeting and he didn't seem to interested then either. IM sent to facilitate contact.

As you guys are close to Anthony from Gun for Hire why don't you ask him to set the course up at South Jersey Shooting club, as it is my understanding that he has the exclusive rights to run training classes there? I know their action range would work well as I have taken other pistol and carbine courses there before the exclusive deal went into effect.

No weight restriction as it is not a semi, etc..

Thanks for the quick reply. I hope it can get worked out.

I was just wondering if any progress has been made regarding Rob's offer to do a training class in NJ to benefit NJ2AS?

And I think we have reached that point

CNN polls don't mean much to me. So the guy who says 2.0 got into guns as they are fun, cool, and in video games says guns aren't toys. When I was 8 I knew the 4 rules, and sure as hell kept my finger off of the trigger better that a lot of NJ shooters I see. By the way which of the 4 rules were violated by a kid taking a gun to school as part of a costume? So according to you a 9 year old can have a gun and ammo in school, but an 8 year old with an unloaded gun is unsafe. My father and I have voted for politicians who were pro gun, just like I assume you have, so using your logic I should say that you and 2.0's generation didn't mind the passage of one gun a month.

So you are trying to prove that society is less in favor of gun control today by saying that not even the most ardent pro-gun person today would do something (let a kid use an unloaded gun in a Halloween costume) that was commonplace in the 70s? Would it really freak you out to know that my father owned his own 22s (a pistol and a revolver) when he was 9, the hardware store would sell him ammo, and he could take his guns to school to go shooting with his friends after school?

In the 70s when I was 8 years old I carried a real gun to school as part of a Halloween costume, try that today and then tell me how much better it is today and how guns are "becoming commonplace and accepted":thsmiley_deadhorse:

Get out of this shitty liberal state, and your circle of friends, and spend some time experiencing some of free America and you will be amazed at how differently people view firearms (and many other things as well). I am done with this thread, as you seem incapable of seeing that other people, who would like to be on your side, may have a different point of view.

You do realize that firearms are, and have long been, "commonplace and accepted" in the majority of America. It is only in a few liberal states like NJ that they are "taboo and stigma"