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  1. And you're still married? (To the same woman, I mean?) In the age of DNA testing, I'm not sure why the state needs to license the marriage contract. So you can pay more taxes? The state should than encourage marriage, and it's clearly not.
  2. The New York SAFE Act was passed in 2013 and it's still unclear what it means. So far they have demonstrated that the 7 round limit actually means a 10 round limit. (So 7=10 in the Empire State.) S&W sells a version of the Jersey M&P 15 (Fixed stock, no bayonet lug, no flash hider) with a Strike Industries fin grip (the cheap $9 one) in California. The California-legal fin grips (see below) seem to be sold in gun stores in some NY counties but not in others. FN sells their a version of their AR with a Herra CQR stock in California. The Herra stocked AR is also sold by AR gun stores in NY. But not directly by FN. The big manufacturers aren't touching the NY AR market with tongs at this time. Nobody wants to be (and pay for) the test case (s)in court. The Thordsen Custom stocks (the ones that the first models looked like they were built by lawyers out of discarded plastic model sprue) seem to be California legal and are sold in both Cali and by AR gun stores in NY. Are they legal in NY? Who knows, the SAFE act is so badly written. But they are sold in NY. Rifle stocks (and in particular Monte Carlo rifle stocks) "protrude conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon but that doesn't mean that they are "A pistol grip". By definition a pistol grip would seem to mean a grip that can be held like a pistol, but I'm Old School where words had actual meanings when I was in school. So who knows. Eventually, I think it will come down to "common use for legal purposes", so I wouldn't do anything that cost me more than $10 or is irreversible to comply until this all gets sorted out. I'd certainly recommend complying, though. Do you have a friend in Pennsylvania? The following definitions apply to terms used in the identification of assault weapons pursuant to Penal Code section 12276.1: Click here for California Department Of Justice "Bureau of Firearms" Pistol Grip Definition Diagram. As above, that's what the words mean in California. But this is The People's Republic of New Jersey, so who knows what words mean. The grip below ("free" if you spend a couple minutes with a saw) would seem to neither be a pistol grip nor protrude prominently beneath the firearm's action, but who knows. I'm not a lawyer and I don't need to stay in Holiday Inns any more, so it's safest to ignore anything I say.
  3. It doesn't hurt, but I think the landscape would be more scenic with two (or three) Trump SC appointments. Scalia's "common use for lawful purposes"pretty much covers it all. The SC hears about 1% of the cases it's asked to. It can't take every crazy liberal judge who applies emotion over logic to a case by the hand. It doesn't have enough time. I don't think I really want the SC to hear another firearms case with its current makeup. After Kennedy and Ginsburg retire.
  4. The safe suburban counties have the most (legal) guns and the lowest homicide rates. The urban counties have the fewest (legal) guns and the highest homicide rates. Everything the legislature does punishes people who are not a problem. (It's analogous to kicking a dog after a bad day at work.) How did this happen? The Watts riots took place in 1965 and the NJ firearm laws were passed in 1966. The original goal was not to prevent law abiding citizens from purchasing firearms for recreation and self defense. However, it was Politically Incorrect to state what the actual goal was, even in 1966.
  5. Thinking about it a little more -- I don't think that a landlord can unilaterally modify a lease (by posting notices in public spaces.) I'm guessing that there isn't any firearm prohibition clause in the lease, because if there is, there would be no reason for the notices. If you pay your rent on time, don't damage the apartment and don't create a nuisance, I don't see that a landlord would have any reason to evict you. Also, are they saying that they won't rent to LEOs? If a Newark Police shows up in uniform will they refuse to rent to him? That seems super-duper dumb. (Or maybe the Newark Police know enough to avoid the place.) If it's private property, a landlord can put pretty much anything in a lease but enforcing it is something else. There are probably millions of contracts with clauses that are everything from unenforceable to unconstitutional. Gun owners aren't a protected class. I don't think it's enforceable in any case.
  6. AFAIK, if the building is privately owned, yes, they can do this. The difficulty is -- I'm not sure that they can enforce it -- at least without making an apartment-to-apartment search (4th Amendment) unless the tenants has signed a lease allowing landlord inspections of all their property (if your lease says you have to allow inspections of the inside of your safe...) Richardson Lofts, 50 Columbia St, Newark, NJ 07102 http://www.richardsonlofts.com/index.aspx Looks like it's privately owned. It doesn't look like they tell you up font what the rents are, so I'll take a guess that the rent you pay depends on the tenant class that that you belong to. If that means lots of Section 8 neighbors, no matter what the landlord says, tenants will have guns (and drugs). Basically, the landlord is disarming the full-fare tenants. Probably some SJW tenant gave the owner an earful. Incidentally, they may be able to ban pets. But they can NOT ban service dogs. (And, I'd guess, service cats and service gerbils.) https://www.servicedogcertifications.org/landlords-service-dog/
  7. Little danger of not voting the right way. I'm an independent but the last time I voted for a Democrat was 1972. I'm not likely to make that mistake again. (At least not deliberately. That's unless you find me in a nursing home with an "I Voted!" sticker.) The problem is that Florida weather is intolerable for 3 months of the year. (In that way, Florida is much like New Jersey, it's just a different 3 months.) We were looking at houses here in New Jersey but closer to the beach. Than Sandy happened. We were told that one house we had liked had 4 foot waves in the living room. Which scared the willies out of us. Most recently, Trump's tax reform capped the deductibility of SALT. If I'm going to waste my money, I can think of better things to waste my money on than a bloated, inefficient government.
  8. The last time New Jersey had a conservative governor was 1944. And he was a Democrat! The People's Republic of New Jersey idiocracy is on Medicare and Social Security and headed for the nursing home. Voters think that they will get screwed no matter who wins. Are they wrong? It mainly seems to be a difference in the degree and method of screwing. So why bother? Just this morning I was thinking about buying a Mar-a-Bob-O in Florida, for all but the really hot months. (My business is portable because it's on a computer.) Seems to make much more sense than upgrading my taxes by buying a bigger house here in the People's Republic. I can buy the bigger house, keep the New Jersey house for the hot summer months, and pay less in net taxes. Am I missing something? My heirs can then worry about what to do with the New Jersey house. (My wife said, "But, but, what about healthcare?" I noted that the Mayo Clinic has an operation in Jacksonville.) It's a 13 1/2 hour drive from here at the Jersey Shore to Jacksonville.
  9. NY Times (!): "One Top Taxpayer Moved, and New Jersey Shuddered": https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/01/business/one-top-taxpayer-moved-and-new-jersey-shuddered.html The state is losing more population than it is gaining, (relative to other states). It's generally listed in the top states that people are moving out of. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/united-van-lines-national-movers-study-shows-americans-continue-to-move-west-and-south-300574718.html Within that frame, the state is losing a lot of high tax payers. But it's gaining a lot of people who want free stuff. Mar-a-Lago is closed between Mother's Day and Halloween, and one of New Jersey's most famous part-year residents is about to return for the summer. Do you think he pays New Jersey income taxes? (Under New Jersey law, he doesn't have to.) I don't think Murphy has any viable option. Sure, he can raise income taxes. And sales taxes. But New Jersey is the #3 state for taxes https://taxfoundation.org/publications/state-local-tax-burden-rankings/ and he'll lose even more tax-paying residents than the state is losing now. I've heard the pie-in-the-sky idea that a marijuana tax will save the state. But Murphy can't put a Viagra-level price on legal weed because the legal retail price still needs to be competitive with the black-market price. Back to the OP, is the photo below going to be a pistol grip under the not yet passed and not yet interpreted New Jersey semi-automatic rifle law? It is in California. But it's not in New York. (New York's Safe Act is so badly written that nobody really knows for sure. But the consensus of most legal experts in New York is that it's not a pistol grip.) Fortunately, there are millions of very smart people in California who have been working on solutions for several years now. (Visit the Cali firearm discussion board for ideas.) I have hopes that Trump will appoint three more SC justices and the SC will find that the full-featured AR is a firearm in "common use for legal purposes". (Yes, that may take a few years.) So in the meantime, do you have a saw?
  10. The last Democrat New Jersey governor who was reelected to a second term was Brendan Byrne. That happened in November 1977. Unless Murphy can manage to find a way for the state to print its own money or he establishes a New Jersey Pirate Kingdom, the state's fiscal problems are insurmountable. Anything he does is likely to anger more than half of all voters.
  11. Fun with New Jersey NICS numbers! https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year_by_state.pdf/view Over the Obama years -- beginning with November 2008 (election) and ending January 2017 (Trump inauguration) there were 695,181 NICS background checks for New Jersey. (One, and only one of those background checks was for my wife.) In 1999, the first full year of NICS, there were 38,601 background checks for New Jersey. In 2001, the first year of the Bush 43 presidency, there were 39,527 background checks for New Jersey. in 2009, the first year of the Obama presidency, there were 55,530 NICS background checks for New Jersey. In 2017, the first year of the Trump presidency, there were 103,739 background checks for New Jersey.
  12. I don't think there is going to be any groundswell of support for the 2A by the masses in New Jersey. But we have the Constitution behind us. The state is -- and has been -- up against the limits of clearly violating the 2A. And sometimes smashes right through the limits of the 2A. At least as in Heller, McDonald and Caetano. It's pioneered state gun control laws nationally since 1966. (Or at least it did until Christie.) They are resorting to stupid and useless gestures now. An example is Murphy's order to release the stats on the origin of firearms associated with crimes in the state. Information that anyone could find on the internet. Our hope comes from a couple more SC justices appointed by Trump. Or moving. (I think the tax reasons for doing that outweigh the 2A reasons.) In fact, I think the slow motion train wreck of the state's finances are likely to do more to -- hopefully -- make Murphy a 1-term governor than gun control laws. NJ counties with the largest # of FFLs are Ocean and Monmouth. https://www.app.com/story/news/investigations/data/analysis/2018/03/05/gun-sales-licensed-gun-dealers/383106002/The state would be definitely an okay place if there were some way to take the strip of land 10 miles to each side of the NJ Turnpike and give it to New York. (As it is, New Jersey is Hell with great beaches, pizza and tomatoes!) I'm in one of "those" counties and pretty much everyone I know has at least one gun in the home -- or I would guess has at least one gun in the home. It's kinda like voting for Trump in the state. (Don's ask, don't tell. Certainly don't put out a lawn sign.) There are roughly 125K hunting licenses in the state. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2016/12/number_of_hunters_continues_to_decline_in_new_jers.html I would love to see Trump's DOJ approach the 2A as a Civil Rights issue. Which it is.
  13. I'll begin by saying that I am skeptical of results of any telephone poll regarding firearm ownership (as I would be about a telephone survey about cash, jewelry and gold coins kept in the home). However, according to one poll, the firearm ownership rate in New Jersey is 11.3%. https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/gun-ownership-rates-by-state/4/ http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-ownership-by-state-2015-7 11.3% suggests a number closer to 1,000,000 than to 250,000. My guesstimate is that the undercount is at least 10% of households, nationally. My reasoning -- Percentage of US population that own guns: High estimate 63% (“Gun at home makes safer" - Gallup) http://www.gallup.com/poll/179213/six-americans-say-guns-homes-safer.aspx (If you thought that a fire extinguisher or smoke alarm made your home safer, wouldn't you have one?) Percentage of US population that own guns: Low estimate 47% (“Gun at home, or elsewhere on property." - Gallup) http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx What is the actual number in New Jersey? I don't know, but my own guess is that it's more than 250,000. My dad served -- volunteered -- in both WW1 and WW2. Serving in the military was pretty much a norm at the time. Many who served brought back souvenirs. (K98s brought back as war trophies often show a "duffel cut" made in the stock to fit them into a duffel bag.) Nice-looking Lugers sometimes turn up in gun buybacks. I don't think that returning with war trophies became unusual until Vietnam and later wars. I'd also guess that there are more than a few guns in steamer trunks and in attics that people don't even think about.
  14. I agree it's unlikely that there would be any state restrictions on department-issued firearms, but the Sig p220 has a standard 8-round magazine. Some PDs still seem to use them.
  15. Are the PPP copies entered into a SP database now? When did that begin? (Bill Gates was 11 years old in 1966.) I didn't think gun registration has ever been required in the state -- historically, the restriction has been placed at the point of purchase since 1966. My FPID card was hand-typed out with an old typewriter and I think the PPPs were, too. (That may or may not have changed, but it would have required logging my PPPs into a database manually. With abundant opportunity for errors.) A few years ago Loretta Weinberg said she couldn't even find the numbers of FPIDs issued by municipalities and introduced legislation requiring the totals be released. I haven't read anything more so either she lost interest or the numbers show something that doesn't support her agenda -- my guess would be that the most FPIDs per capita are found in the safest towns and counties. Using the US Census Bureau population estimate of a New Jersey population of 9,005,644, the 55,672 number would work out to 0.618% -- less than 1% -- of New Jerseyans purchased a handgun in 2016. According to the FBI, there were 90,034 NICS background checks in New Jersey in 2015, 121,853 in 2016 and 103,739 in 2017. (Pennsylvania NICS numbers were 993,429, 1,143,220 and 1,062,651 for 2015, 2016 and 2017 respectively). Guesstimating the New Jersey pistol purchase number another way, if 10% of New Jerseyans own at least one handgun and buy a new pistol on average every 20 years, that's about 45,000 new handguns every year.