Pizza Bob

That may be but it will be some time before that is even noticed and the increases will be incremental. (remember the story of how to cook a live frog?) The increases on the firearm permits are HUGE and will affect us RIGHT NOW. This is nothing more than having to pay to exercise our constitutional rights. The case for fees, with regard to firearms permits, was based on what it cost administratively to issue the permits. This exceeds that exponentially and is nothing more than poorly-disguised gun control. Our only hope is that ANJRPC (or like) will file an injunction halting implementation of the ENTIRE bill, meaning Murphy will be denied his fat money grab, which may serve as motivation to delete the firearm permits parts of the bill. Adios, Pizza Bob

You all seem pretty concerned over the proposed Millionaire's Tax, something that will have little direct effect on any of us (unless there are a lot of closet millionaires on here). I'd be a hell of a lot more concerned about the proposed firearm permit charge increases, which I believe are part and parcel of the same bill. I hope that ANJRPC has their injunction ready to file the minute Murphy signs this POS bill. Adios, Pizza Bob

I'm on my desktop w/ a 30" monitor. I can read the serial number but either the model/eng change number is below the serial and hidden by the yoke, or they forgot to stamp it (not unheard of). Adios, Pizza Bob

Did you blur out the Model Number and engineering change that normally appears under the yoke? Do you know what engineering change this is? Adios, Pizza Bob

The Model 29-3 Elmer Keith Commemorative was one of the guns I featured in the other thread. I still have not been able to take possession of it, but I do have visiting privileges at my dealer's shop. I exercised those privileges last night. Somewhere in the intervening 35 years, the presentation case for this gun went missing. It is deserving of such a case, so I commissioned a fellow in North Carolina to make a presentation case befitting this gun. Settled on a highly figured walnut and it was delivered yesterday - hence the trip to visit the gun. Here is the result... I have plans to use this fellow again. Adios, Pizza Bob

Applied via FARS on Tuesday 9/8. Just picked up my permits a half hour ago. A week is a record even for my normally great PD. Adios, Pizza Bob

Ahhh, I was talking S&W's anniversary, you were talking the Model 29's 50th anniversary.. Don't let the lock prevent you from purchasing guns you want. Adios, Pizza Bob

Have they tried different magazines?

That would be the 150th - I don't think they made a commemorative in 1902. LOL

PM incoming

No to both, but you know that they'll look more favorably on a reference where the time for a relationship to develop is present. Adios, Pizza Bob

Currently out of stock, but has e-mail notification for when they come in - really good guy to do business with... https://gregcotellc.com/cart/cz-factory-mecgar-actmag-c-173/cz-75-compact-cz-pcr-cz-p01-10-rd-9mm-factory-magazine-11104-p-1426.html Good luck. Adios, Pizza Bob

Before there was such a thing as “action pistol” if you wanted to compete with a handgun “Bullseye” was the only game in town. It was also known as NRA Conventional Pistol and there were several formats depending on whether it was contested with one gun (NRA900) or three guns (NRA2700). There were three strings of fire: Slow fire – 10 rounds fired in ten minutes or less / Timed fire – two 5 round strings each fired in 20 seconds per string or less / Rapid fire – two 5 round strings fired in 10 seconds per string or less. This was repeated three times with each gun for a total of 270 rounds fired and a possible perfect score of 2700. The match was contested using three guns, a rimfire gun, a centerfire gun and a .45 caliber gun. I have been using the past tense, but Bullseye is still contested today. There are several clubs here in NJ that compete – but it has nowhere near the popularity of the action pistol games (USPSA. IDPA, ICORE and static and knock-down steel). Since the 60’s the guns used to compete in Bullseye matches are typically semi-automatic. My father shot in a rimfire Bullseye league and this was the gun he used… A Hi-Standard Model 102 Today, even though High Standard is no longer in business (after going through several iterations) their guns are still popular. The S&W Models 41 and 46 are the cream of this crop – although there are a number of high-end European guns that could compete in this segment. New shooters just getting into the game may opt for Ruger Mark target models or its competitors. The centerfire portion may be contested with a S&W Model 52 or Walther GSP, but most competitors just shoot their accurized 1911’s for both the Centerfire and .45 portion of the match. However, back in the day, this game was contested with revolvers. This shooting is all one-handed, off-hand, standing up. Revolvers would have all been used in the single action mode. A typical Bullseye battery of the 1950’s would consist of a S&W Model K-22 for the rimfire stage. A S&W K-32 or K-38 for the centerfire stage and a S&W .45 Hand Ejector Target, Model of 1950 for the .45 stage. Quite by accident, I have managed to assemble such a battery. It started with the acquisition of a K-22 at a local auction. That was followed by the acquisition of the Model of 1950 from a private individual in the Pacific NW – I found that gun in the classifieds of a forum from that area. Once I had these two I realized I had 2/3’s of a Vintage Bullseye Battery, so I intentionally sought out the last gun and in addition to searching for this particular model, I also wanted it manufactured in my birth year. I was successful in finding one on one of the large Internet auction sites. So here is my Vintage Bullseye Battery… Left to right: .45 Hand Ejector Target, Model of 1950. This is an N-frame gun with a 6.5” light (tapered) barrel. Bullseye shooters of the time complained that the light barrel did not hold as well as a heavier barrel. There complaints resulted in the heavy barrel Model of 1955, although the 1950 Model was produced through 1961. The entire production of the 1950 model – from 1950 to 1961 was fewer than 2800 units. This gun was manufactured in 1952. When model numbers were assigned in 1957-58 the .45 1950 became the Model 26 and the HB 1955 became the Model 25. Next is the K-38 Masterpiece, which became the vaunted Model 14. It has a 6” barrel. This one, according to the original owner, was sent back to S&W and had the front sight undercut. This gun also is a great example of Smith’s bright blue finish (as opposed to the standard blue exhibited on the following gun). This gun was manufactured in 1951. The third gun is a K-22 Masterpiece. The Masterpiece guns had ribs on the barrels and they varied in dimension so that the weights of the centerfire and rimfire guns could be matched. There was another K-22 of the time called the Outdoorsman that didn’t sport the target rib. This is also 6” barrel with the original Patridge front sight. This gun was manufactured in 1950. All three of the above guns are equipped with target stocks equipped with a flared base and a thumb-shelf that aided the one-handed grip. The grip on the .45 is rather unusual because it is a Fitz grip and is contemporary with the gun. Fitz was a well-known and popular grip manufacturer of the time. But they were known for their synthetic grips – read that “plastic”. To find a set of wooden ones is unusual. Further research revealed they made some rather interesting wooden target grips. I have seen pictures of grips with a basket-weave pattern carved in them. Adios, Pizza Bob

Unless you are a member of a protected class, and are denied service because of that, there is no discrimination. A person or entity can pick and choose to whom they want to sell. kc17 states the case very well in his first post in this thread. Thank the likes of Murphy and over-reaching Grewal for what is occurring. Adios, Pizza Bob

For those of you casting about, looking for a match to shoot - good news: This coming Sunday, 9/13, Bob Raike will be holding his first post-covid shutdown IDPA match at Old Bridge's outdoor ranges. For those of you that shot at Somerset, back in the day, you may remember Bob Raike. He was a regular there until the Match Director spot opened up at Old Bridge. Bob told me that originally this first match was going to be open to OBRPC members only, but he recently contacted me and said that he was opening it up to the public at large. So for those that have been looking (attention, former Somerset shooters) and those that want to try this out, here is your opportunity. Here is the link for registration... https://practiscore.com/old-bridge-idpa-9-13-2020/register Just a word about registering - since this was originally a closed / members only match, there is a field on the registration page that asks for your OBRPC member number - I just filled in: N/A and it accepted my registration. Once registered, it may also tell you you will be notified when you are cleared to squad - you do not have to wait, you can squad immediately upon registration. Currently there is only one squad, but I'm sure that as it fills up, he will break it down into more squads. You also will get a Practiscore notification reiterating that this is a members only match - you can ignore that part of the notice. Team Kulak will be there, hope to see you. Adios, Pizza Bob

I think that most of us realize commemorative firearms aren’t the instant collectible that some people feel they are. In fact, often times the commemorative firearms sell for less than the non-commemorative counterparts – if there is one. Not always true, but if you choose wisely you can end up with a fancy shooter, or a gun that actually does appreciate faster than its non-commemorative counterparts. I crossed the line from being just a purchaser and user of firearms to being a collector in the early part of last year. I came to that realization when I found myself buying guns that I just liked, but had little to no intention of ever shooting, and I’ve been making up for lost time ever since. My first commemorative was purchased solely as a shooter and because the price was more than right. It was a Texas Wagon Train / Texas Sesquicentennial commemorative – a 5” N-frame in .44-40. I like N-frames, especially those with 5” barrels and like calibers that start with a “4”. I got this gun for a song and it was the gun only, no nifty presentation case. It had terrific stocks on it, which I promptly removed and replaced with a Hogue wooden monogrip. I did shoot it some, but it ultimately ended up back in the safe. When I made the transition to collector, I reinstalled the presentation stocks and found the correct case on the Internet. Even piecing it together like that I’m in it for about half of the current going rate. Here it is… My next commemorative purchase was a PASP Model 19-4 – not because I had any affiliation with the PASP (except for a handful of speeding tickets), but because the price was better than I could find on a 4” non-commemorative 19-4. I could keep it as a shooter or as a bargain collectible. Here it is… Somewhere along the way I became enamored with the Heritage series of guns. I purchased several of the Lew Horton Heritage Series, but then found one that was made for Sports South. It did not come in the correct PC aluminum case – instead, it was shipped in a presentation case meant for another firearm – a 1988 Model 629-1 Iditarod Commemorative. I started doing some research on that issue and found that while the case, and even the barrel, said that 1000 of these guns were made, in actuality, the bank failed before the entire thousand gun contract was completed. In fact only 545 of these were made. I endeavored to find a gun only to go with the case that serendipitously came to me. When it rains it pours – I didn’t find a lone gun sans case, I found two consecutively numbered guns that came with everything – cases, boxes, docs, tools, everything. Again they were at a price about equivalent to what you would pay for a regular 629-1. So now I have two complete commemoratives and one extra presentation case. The next commemorative came as a result of me exploring a major auction company. In my perusal of various on-line “for sale” and auction sites I had come across an Elmer Keith 29-3 commemorative. This was one of the regular issue ones with the wooden stocks and it was “spendy” – not outrageously so, considering the embellishments and who it honored. I was sorely tempted. A little further on in the listings I came across another Keith commemorative from the same vendor, only this was one of the Deluxe Additions (the first 100 of the 2500 made that had increased gold embellishments plus real, pre-ban, elephant ivory stocks. Pretty much as the SCSW IV states, they wanted double the amount they were asking for the standard edition. That was too rich for my blood. So I was looking through the catalog of the major upcoming auction and they actually had three Elmer Keith editions – two standards and one deluxe sandwiched between the two. Somebody at that auction company goofed as they all had the same auction estimates. I put in an absentee bid at $100 over the high estimate for the deluxe version. I was watching the auction streaming on my computer. The first standard version came up and got hammered at $100 over high estimate. At that point I figured I was toast – somebody out there had to realize that the deluxe version was worth considerably more than the standard that had just fetched a good price. The deluxe version came up and stalled and then got hammered at the high estimate – which meant that I had won it for $100 less than the standard version. I was ecstatic. Full disclaimer, this was the gun only and did not have the original presentation case with it – it had gone missing in the intervening 35 years. Not to worry, I found a woodworker who specializes in presentation cases – at more than fair prices. We went back and forth on wood types, lining colors, descriptive plaques etc and he is currently in the process of building a fantastically figured, French-fitted, walnut presentation case with a proper descriptive brass plate on the lid. Even with the auction buyer’s premium, the next day air shipping and the bespoke presentation case, I am into this gun for less than half its value. Here is the gun, a 4” Model 29-3, .44 Magnum (as is befitting of the father of the .44 Magnum. I’ll feature the gun and case in a future thread, once I receive the case – if anyone is in need of a presentation case I would be more than happy to put you in touch with this fellow. This brings us to the current week (w/o 8/30). Frustrated by missing a two gun lot at the large auction company’s August sale, I was looking for something to buy. Much searching brought me to a S&W 150th Anniversary Commemorative Model 29-8, .44 Magnum (1852 – 2002). Like the Elmer Keith gun, this one had gold embellishment, including portraits of Horace Smith and Daniel Wesson on the side plate. It was equipped with smooth Herrett (now out of business) stocks and came in a clear-topped, French-fitted presentation case. The funds for that gun are currently at the mercy of the USPS. Here is the seller’s picture of the gun and case… The acquisition of the 150th anniversary gun triggered a desire to acquire the previous anniversary issue, the issue for their 125th anniversary. I had passed on opportunities to purchase this gun many time is the past when I was shopping for “shooters”. Who wanted a .45 Colt with a short cylinder? The Model 25-3, while chambered for .45 Colt used a cylinder with the same length dimension as the .45 ACP Model 25-2. This meant that a lot of traditional, cast 250 grain bullet loads would be too long for the cylinder, unless crimped over the front driving band, rather than, properly, in the crimp groove. Now it was destined to be a safe queen and a complement to the 150th anniversary gun. I went in search of a candidate. Found one, but missed it because I was trying to leverage a better deal. Found another and got it for an even better price. I make this sound like these are out there everywhere – such is not the case. Yes you can find them aplenty, but at exorbitant cost. The really neat thing – and it was totally happenstance, neither the seller nor I realized it (he still doesn’t) at the time of the transaction – is the serial number, First, it is the only time that I have ever seen a non-numeric or alphabetic character used in a serial number – the serial prefix for these guns is “S&W” followed by four numeric characters (these were appx four years before Smith went to their current three alpha / four numeric serial format). This gun was the twelfth gun made of the run of 9,948 standard editions (there were 50 Deluxe Editions and 2 Custom Deluxe Editions). These came with a presentation case that also held a commemorative coin and a book by Roy Jinks – the company historian, called 125 years with Smith and Wesson. The gun has custom gold-filled roll marks but not the fancy gold embellishments found on the Keith gun or the 150th anniversary gun. Here is the seller’s picture of the gun and case. Funds for this one were mailed this morning. I will be applying for a Multiple Purchase Exemption for the Keith gun and the two anniversary guns. Given the times we’re living in, I have no idea how long that will take, but if I do it within the OGAM framework, it would be mid-December before I had them all. If you have managed to make it through this entire magnum opus, kudos to you. I hope you came away with an appreciation and better understanding of commemorative guns. Adios, Pizza Bob

I believe that it's optional, but it can help speed things up if there is somebody with similar name that is prohibited. Besides you're supplying it to a government entity.....what could possibly go wrong? Adios, Pizza Bob

The extension is at the discretion of the CLEO, so hopefully you live in a 2A friendly municipality.

There are no SAAMI specs for +P+ ammunition. I know of only a couple of gun manufacturers that stipulate the use of +P+ in their firearms is permitted and CZ is not one of them. +P+ ammo is specialty contract loaded ammo for a specific agency in a specific gun and the particular load and gun combination are blessed by the manufacturers. When you buy +P+ in the open civilian market, you are buying production overruns and have no idea what it was originally loaded for or to what specification - IOW you are buying a "pig in a poke" as my mother used to say. I have never understood the desire to "hotrod" a caliber to velocities beyond what were originally intended. Want a higher velocity 9 mm? Buy a .38 Super or .357 Sig. Want a more powerful .40 S&W? But a 10 mm. There is such a range of calibers and guns available why endanger yourself and/or shorten the life of your firearm when there are more logical options? Adios, Pizza Bob

Glad to be of service guys.

Are you kidding. After the above posts he's gone already.

Some late Mark I pistols used the A100 frame of the Mark II and later guns. Not sure that it would have the effect you are experiencing, but you probably ought to verify whether or not you have an A100 frame. Adios, Pizza Bob

Anybody on the board from Englewood Cliffs? Curious as to how the PD treats FPID and P2P applicants. Timely? Drag their feet? Downright obstructionist? Adios, Pizza Bob

That's correct

The $18 + $3 convenience fee is for what was the SP212A - Non-criminal background check. Your friend didn't pay anything at the time of application because it was his initial application and he had to be fingerprinted - third party / separate off-line fee. The $5 per FPID and $2 per P2P is payable to your local PD when you pick-up the permit(s). Adios, Pizza Bob No exception. $18 + $3 every time you apply.