galapoola

great news, of the 5, how many have the multi page restrictions?

what town?

Remember that "ATTORNEY GENERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT DIRECTIVE NO. 2022-07" is merely a directive as well yet it has flipped the switch on justifiable need. There are people receiving permits although not as many or as quickly as any of us would like. So directives are followed, the judges just need to be reminded.

Once we start carrying the new maintenance item will be cleaning the holster crud regularly. Most guns we’ve been shooting, clean and back in the safe. Now they’ll be spending time holstered.

Once we start carrying the new maintenance item will be cleaning the holster crud regularly. Most guns we’ve been shooting, clean and back in the safe. Now they’ll be spending time holstered.

All well and good, however, this ragtag community of gun owners needs to gain as much ground as fast as possible. I too will take what I can but I’m not satisfied with everything that Bruen has given us in theory and that NJ is doing in practice. If we sit back with a piece of the win, then NJ will oblige us and squeeze our rights down. Ocean and Monmouth county courts need to be made an example of in the most extreme manner possible. They need to humiliated and slapped down so other judges will not follow. Thanks

Mine too

I for one would like to buy a surplus M-1 Carbine. I'd like to recommission my 10+ magazines. The hunk of aluminum I bought before the change in law should come out of hiding.

Logically I agree. If you are carrying in your car with the restrictions it would be similar to carrying anywhere without a permit so it's a felony. You loose everything. But . . . How would the officer know? Will anyone tell him/her or volunteer the 4 page document?

I'm at day 50 myself. 9/16 will be 60 days. Have we come to a consensus on what the 60+ day applicants should be doing? Wonder if we should be emailing the ANJRPC strike force so they have some ammo for a next big move. I listened to one podcast with Dan Schmutter as the guest and he said he and Scott Bach where in communications with the NJ AG offices in the lead up to the SCOTUS June opinion. That probably helped the acting AG with the quick directive. Now that there should be a good number of us nearing the statutory 60 days, perhaps we should all be emailing the Strikeforce.

I don’t know . . . Do we think the rank and file front line police are in the know about dates like we all are? Probably not

I'm guessing that's Dan Schmutter? Good, one of the lawyers and not a paralegal

“Worth noting that he says his and his wife's permit are check "no restrictions", with no mention of the order on the permit, however the order instructs them to carry permit and the order.” So in the unlikely event this couple is questioned by a LEO, and they self identify and/or the LEO notices they are driving with a loaded gun, what will the officer see when they present the permit? It will look just like theirs, unrestricted. That’s pretty much it. The PCH is a joke, a non laminated hand made permit too big for your wallet with a picture pasted on. Do we honestly think the state has it together enough to even have an accessible data base for patrolman? All your paperwork is in a file cabinet in a folder with your name on it. The state is not going to spend $100,000’s to stand up and maintain a data base. That takes time, hardware, software and personnel who earn salaries.

You would think that on its face it’s un-constitutional and a federal district judge could fast track a motion. Perhaps the most senior superior judge, one who oversees all the counties could put a stop to this practice. This is judicial misconduct and overreach. Finally, the acting attorney general who issued the directive could weigh in. The executive and judicial branches do not answer to one another however it was that directive from the executive branch that compelled the courts to no longer consider a letter of need. SCOTUS was very clear about sensitive place shenanigans, going so far as to name NYC as an example of what not to do. When my permit is issued, if I have the motor vehicle restriction, I’m going to speak with the chief of police in my town and see if he will instruct his department to not enforce that restriction. Most of my travel is within town so this could extend some relief while things get sorted out. We see sheriffs all across the nation standing up to tyranny, maybe it’s time to ask our PD’s to do the same.

Hey, just wondering. How did you find out that Judge Gizinski was using the prosecutor’s office? Can’t understand why they would, didn’t the PD already perform a background check?

I wonder if Francisco's suit opened the door to this? If he had applied post Bruen like anyone else, would he have been given all the restrictions? I'm beginning to think that without the suit he'd be treated like everyone else who applied. Possibly the only restriction was the named guns he qualified with. Maybe the judge wanted to cover her butt and issued the restrictions. Has anyone read the complaint? Perhaps some of the restrictions were triggered by the plaintiff and defendant arguing before her honor? They do have to address everything unless they moot the case and tell Francisco to re-apply.

So Daniel Francisco was part of a suit over a carry permit. I listened to his video. His permit quest started maybe two years before Bruen. I'm guessing the judge's bizarre order was colored by the suit, possibly payback? I'd like to see how all of us who simply applied after Bruen will fare as far as restrictions.

my friend showed me the permit signed by the Ocean County judge and he showed it to me two Sundays ago, that's all I know

yes, he showed it to me the week before

Still, even if this poor schlub applied before Bruen, you would think the restrictions would follow that ruling. My friend who received his permit from this judge had no such letter. He just had the pistols listed. My guess is this is an outlier and we can confidently ignore this as the new norm.

The "only" opinion that matters is the majority opinion signed by the majority of justices. The only order that legally counts is the actual order at the very end of the document. It's generally a sentence or two and is laser focused on the actual question before the court. The other stuff is "dicta" and does not hold the force of law. However, dicta is strongest in the majority opinion and is cited in future arguments before the court because it is the legal and logical basis of that decision. So technically the "sensitive area" dicta doesn't have the force of law, it is instructive per Justice Thomas for lower courts when deciding upcoming cases. Likewise the dicta on how to use text and history obviously has no force of law, just look at what NY did with its new set of 2A laws. NY and other hostile states will need to be dragged to court and then new precedent will be established. We all know common sense says these laws fly in the face of Bruen but it will take a federal judge to slap them down.

My package was dropped off at the TRPD 07/19, references called that week, sent to the courts within two weeks. Called the law clerk last week, no word yet.

congratulations

Congratulations

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