NFRs2000NYC

What was the order for? What happened?

I believe it is still free if you have it pegged to a credit card. I just checked my statement and don't see any kind of fees on it.

You have great evidence BUT, I wouldn't be surprised if these idiots don't say "you should have pulled over, gone over to the offices, and handled it that way." Either way, I hope you beat it.

Honestly, I have been in the bar/restaurant/club industry for over 15 years, and in NYC, I have never seen Police at the door carding. I have seen PLENTY of raids, but never what you describe. However, I do believe you it happens down at the shore, I just have personally haven't seen it. Are these officers specifically assigned to stay at a place all night and card, or are they just patrol cops? It seems strange to be that they are taking the responsibility of carding, since IF somehow, someway, an underage person makes it through (fake id or whatever), and something happens to them, the police is on the hook, since they were the ones checking IDs...just wondering...

Maybe we could argue that had California allowed open carry, and the perp saw a gun on the guy's belt, he may have reconsidered. I guess the one thing we can take from this is "you never know." It can come anytime, anywhere.

That, plus the occupy wall street crowd is keeping the departments nice and busy. The problem with this case is that it seems now the officer apparently had no "right" to detain here. Trespassing is defined by... Sec. 140.05 Trespass A person is guilty of trespass when he knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in or upon premises. Here is the problem...they stated... Now, they were not refusing to leave, which is why the judge saw right through it and dismissed the ticket in less than a minute. Unlike private property trespassing, where the owner tells you to leave, and if you fail, police show up, they can arrest you right there, since it was a park without official locking gates, ignorance of signage CAN play a role, which again, is why the judge dismissed the ticket so fast. I think there is going to be a lawsuit filed against the NYPD on this one.

The article seems poorly worded, but it seems she was trespassing somewhere, in which case, the officer does have the right to ask for ID. Though the judge may think the ticket it frivolous (I have received a trespassing ticket in front of a deli in my younger days, in which the judge immediately threw it out) but the ID request seems to have been legit.

Oh, and since we are actually looking for information here are some things I found interesting... http://www.akemplaw.com/wiki/2007/10/31/guns-at-work/ http://www.lexisnexis.com/community/workerscompensationlaw/blogs/workerscompensationlawblog/archive/2010/02/17/larson_2700_s-blogworthy-cases-of-the-week-8_2f00_22_2f00_2008.aspx There is some meat in this case. While there are no OSHA rules banning guns outright, the law can be interpreted that way by OSHA...they kind of left the door open for themselves. Just thought you guys might be interested in this.

I never argued, so if you would like me to admit it, ok. Just so you know, guns are ALL ILLEGAL IN NJ FOR EVERYONE...however, there are exceptions, such as police, FID holders, etc etc etc. Just because it is illegal for all businesses to have guns in the workplace, does not mean there are no exceptions. In this case, as I said above, I wasn't sure, and it was just a post. If you just want to make a spectacle of it, so be it. I was wrong.

That is your right. However, I did read the OSHA laws on working conditions, and they are very broad. Walgreens did not want bad light shed on the company (although they failed miserably) so they blamed it on "corporate policy." However, Walgreens does not actually have a "no firearms" policy, they have a "non-escalation policy." There is a Walgreens a few blocks from my house, and the last time the wife was getting her prescription filled, I was BSing with the manager about this. Their policy to their employers are generally a non escalation policy (like all major retail outlets) and comply with local laws and regulations. The rumor started that they actually did ALL this to make sure OSHA keeps off their backs. Is it possible? Sure. Is it 100%? No it isn't. As for the website in my sig, hey, I'm not holding a gun to your head, and I am sorry you have no interest in it. It is a free service brought to members, and they have nothing to lose. We have helped many people with a number of issues, including custody, divorce, real estate, etc...questions that an attorney would normally charge you for "consultation." If you take my PERSONAL views on this, and mix them with business, that's one thing. It seems you may be someone who does not like brash statements, but that's ok. Regardless, my brother-in-law answers the legal questions (he actually IS one of the attorneys) so if you every need anything, by all means. All the best.

http://biggovernment.com/jlott/2011/05/25/hero-gets-fired-for-using-a-gun-to-stop-robbery/ I got my info from news stories. I have honestly not been able to find the actual OSHA regulation. It seems the law was being "decided" but never passed. What was though, is some messy regulations which many don't understand, so in order to watch their backs, companies assume the worst case scenario in order to comply with OSHA regulations, to avoid OSHA fines.

Awesome isn't it? If you take a look at the walgreens incident, common sense tells you that it is worth getting fired in exchange for your life.

Correct. If you lease the property, it's "yours" for the duration of said lease.

It is only a crime if you refuse to leave. It becomes trespassing, or even worse, can be charged with criminal trespassing.

This is true for any state. The 2nd amendment does not include private property. Any private landowner/business owner may ask you to leave if they do not want firearms on premises.