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Is this accurate? While I was in the USMC running gate guard and road patrol I always had a loaded and chambered pistol, and if I had a rifle or shot gun that was loaded but not chambered. Hard to imagine anyone guarding anything without both. This was recent, mind you. I served 2003-2008.

I should be good for the 6th

Edited out. Nevermind.

So very strange, I search the exact title and nothing came up at all........ http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=364163

Ha. I even did a search on this to make sure you didn't. Sorry about that.

Video proof that this law was never approved, but Rangal jammed it through anyway. If anyone knows of any protests or demonstrations, let me know. I will be there with as many people as I can get to set this atrocity straight. This just proves to me that our congress really is just another example of a board of dictators in disguise. PS: Got this off of Redbull on another forum. Special thanks goes to ajax22 at http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=364163

Just found out today that you can cook eggs in an orange peel half shell, give them a great taste apparently.

Even though this is a joke thread, I wouldn't get much more water if I was you. Id get a large capacity water storage item, fill that (Say 55 gallon barrel for home and a couple more of those 5 gallon ones you have) and get a higher end, portable water filter kit (as well as a smaller one, like the katadyn pocket filter)

How about ZED - SAD Search And Destroy

Exactly what we needed to protect the innocent. There needs to be a freeze on all funding for EVERYTHING thats NOT LE, FD, Emergency Departments, and Education. Not this crap.

Well put. Best quality companies: (price isnt factored) - Systema - Celcius - KWA - Inokatsu - Ares - Tokyo Marui

Training is good because when its time to get going, you fall back on your instincts. The more you train, the more instinctual your movements and actions become. You are right that "plans" get tossed when it comes down to crunch time, but that is what the training is for. It allows you to build your natural instincts and your training kicks in. If it didn't work like that, LEO/MIL wouldn't waste their time. Also, random situations are a bit hard to train for, but Force on Force helps a little bit. Makes you think on your toes. Well, considering over 90% of all instances where LEO draw their arms, the target is less than 25 yards away, well within airsoft. Also, if you read the posts, I already said it isn't really effective for anything over 150 feet. It is more effective as a training tool for tactical movement, team work, and cqb.

I understand what you're saying. Stock up. But by no means try to go get it if we ever have a SHTF/Zombie problem. EVERYONE else will be going after the same thing. Besides, I was under the belief that everyone else already was stocking up on both

You have a hot rack j0n.

Airsoft isn't for everyone. And I'm not here to try to "convert" or "recruit" people for airsoft. I just see a LOT of misunderstanding with it, and I wanted to give those who have zero experience with airsoft a more clear picture. Its applications are useful, which is why MIL/LEO all over the country are all going to it. But, like I said, it's not for everyone. That said you actually DO retain the training used in airsoft. Training for tactics, teamwork, and handling random situations is not the same with airsoft, because you can actually have live targets that move and resist. Can't do that with real bullets for training, and Simunition isn't cheap. But again, this thread wasn't to convert or recruit. It was to give a clear picture and answer any questions some of you might have.

More than likely, no. Ideally, yes. That being said, why avoid something just because the chances are that we wont be together? The more we do this, the more we will run into people who are prepared, instead of a liability in the off chance (what little it may be) you do need a team/squad. Besides, everything is always more fun with more people, and making friends.

*especially fainting goats.

Was Military, planning on going LEO. Outside of that, "Its better to have and not need than it is to need and not have."

Im going to be looking into these within the next few weeks, but since you dont have human targets to compete against, it misses that crucial part of the training that airsoft and paintball fill.

Most of your comments are well founded and what Im looking for. Ill address each separately. Airsoft as a sport Airsoft is considered an extreme sport by many (I classify extreme differently, so to me it's just a sport) and rightfully so. I simply consider it a Combative Sport. In all games, you have 2 or more teams competing for territory and usually points. Like military operations, there are objectives, FOBS, and command structure (of some sort.) Games usually last 4-6 hours long, with some breaks in between occasionally depending on weather conditions and safety conditions. Some times there are skirmish games which last between 30-60 minutes, structured in much the same way as paintball. In both cases airsoft can get very intense and is not for some people. So how do you know if you hit someone (or more importantly, if you are hit)? It is normally quite simple. Most of the time you can feel when you are hit. When you are hit, you call yourself out, yelling "HIT!" 3 or 4 times, pulling out and waving a Red Rag (called a dead rag). This signifies you were indeed hit. This system is based off of an honor system. Occasionally you come across people who don't call their hits, and rarely its because they are cheating. Most of the time they simply don't feel or hear the hit. The ones that are cheaters however generally get weeded out over a few games. Keep in mind paintball is basically the same, after a few rounds all you have to do is either wipe it off or not call hits, because you are covered in hits all over. Airsoft as a Training Tool Airsoft can serve as an excellent tool for training. Airsoft guns are not nearly as accurate as real guns, but, in the short range ( <75 feet) it's usually pretty on target. That said, real guns can shoot much farther and more accurately. So, as far as long range is concerned, airsoft is not very effective. Combat training is effective though, especially with force on force. Airsoft allows you to work safely as a team and learn tactics. Working as a team with real guns can save lives, and without enough experience together, this can make or break a team. That said, airsoft guns are very accurate in detail, some of them weigh practically the same weight. So in that respect, you can train with a group, squad, or team and get used to how you all work together. It is also extremely effective for FTX or even shoot houses for CQB. Close range the only real difference when firing is the recoil and mag size. Out side of that, it is much cheaper and safer over all. Safety For the most part, airsoft is extremely safe. There are a few exceptions, as no sport is without risk. Most people wear a facemask or baklava, sometimes a shemagh over their face. This prevents most damage that can result from being shot in the face. But there are generally other hazards as well, since most games are played in the woods or inside buildings, which have their own dangers. That said, you typically dont see people buying all kinds of padding and protective gear. At most you will see full seal goggles, gloves, knee/elbow pads, and occasionally helmets. As far as MILES goes, or any laser system, anything can stop the path of a laser, and you have to hit the sensors to get a hit. My experiences with those types of systems came off as a waste of money. Simunition on the other hand is what I would prefer of all, but that isn't really feasible or possible for civilians (as far as I know)

LOL. Those are great, which is why I posted in parenthesis right next to it that very product. Soon I am going to be linking my wish list on amazon to give a better idea of some of the products I am looking to get/already have. Dryer lint is extremely flammable, but it burns out quickly as well. For this reason I have the cotton balls soaked with Petroleum Jelly on the list, they too burn, but for a longer (much longer) amount of time. Sometimes they can be a pain to start though.

In some cases it can be. Im not well versed in those uses yet though. I should probably explain some of the items. Coffee is one of those items I would have simply for barter trade, and most people are addicted to it. That said if you have any, its valuable and can serve to get you hard to find or other valuable (to you) items through barter trade.

That would be useful, but I tend to try to be as low tech as possible when it comes to this. Sure, some tech is good, but the less you have the better.

This list isn't in any particular order. Medicines would be on here, as advil and Excedrin would vanish, but some of the others have short expiration date and only matter to those that need them. (stock piling some would be futile.) Personally most of this is stuff I could care less about, If you want me to revamp the list Im open to ideas. Also, I could organzine it in different categories (food, meds, tools, ect) if you want. Either way this is the stuff that goes first in most all occasions, and again, not in any real order. Remember, this isn't a list of importance, its a list of what goes first. How important is Tea? Its not.

DR's List of most important Items you need to have: ( in no particular order ) 1. Cordage (550, upholstery, Rope, Twine) 2. Addictive Items (Cigarettes, Coffee, Alcohol) 3. Knives ( large, small, and medium. Should have knives that are job specific: Carving, skinning, Combat, and survival. Make sure you check metal quality, have High grades and low grade knives) 4. Sharpening stones 5. Portable knife sharpener (Just in case, usually quite small and light) 6. Durable BOB (bug out bag) with at least 2,000 cubic inches storage space 7. Durable Combat/hiking boots (without reflective tape) 8. A few ziplock bags of dryer lint 9. A few ziplock bags of cotton balls mixed with petroleum jelly 10. 2 packages of fire sticks 11. Pocket Water filter (katadyn pocket is great) w/ 3-5 spare filters (not cheap) 12. Mini Water filter (w/10-15 spare filters) 13. 5 sets of water purification tablets (with iodine) 14. 2 Iodine crystal bottles for water purification 15. Crow bar set (Fu-bar III, Crowbar, Fatmax Utility bar) 16. First aid kit (include blood clotting agents) 17. Tarps (have a lot. a good variety, from 6x8 up to 20x40; Have a lot of the smaller and only 1 or 2 of the largest) (make sure these are brown or green on one side or the other, silver is OK but not blue) 18. Pruning Shears 19. Pruning Saw 20. ZIP TIES! (Have tons of these, all different lengths and widths) 21. DUCT TAPE! (make sure its good quality, dollar store Duct Tape can be chincy) 22. Baby wipes (TONS OF THESE) 23. 3 changes of cloths (tops, bottoms, underwear, undershirt, socks) 24. E-Tool 25. Quality Hatchet 26. Serated knife sharpener 27. SAS Survival book 28. Metal Canteen cup 29. CamelBak Hydration Bladder 30. Mulit-tool (Leatherman, Gerber, Swiss Army, ect.) These are IMPERATIVE. 31. Quality Binoculars ( either 8x or 10x; anything higher is hard to keep steady. I recommend Nikon for high quality and good price, or REI) 32. Wire Saw 33. Signal Mirror 34. Sabercut Hand-Chain saw (Chainsaw chain but worked with hands at either end) 35. Firesteel 36. Weather Proof Matches 37. 100-pack tea-light candles 38. 9-hour candles/citronella 39. Fishing line 40. Fishing Hooks (get as many as you can, they are small and light and indispensable) 41. Fishing Net 42. US Issue MIL-Spec Lensatic Compass ($75-150, dont get cheap compasses ever 43. Emergency thermal blankets/bivy (Mylar) 44. Water Proof bag 45. Permathrin (Washed into your clothes, bug/tick killer, not deet) 46. Lighters (no less than 5, ideally having torch lighters) 47. Lighter Fluid (stock UP on theses) 48. Snares 49. 5 gallon buckets (at least 5) 50. Funnels (Have a lot of sizes on hand) 51. Balance Scale (barter trade/chemical measurements) 52. Syphon hose 53. Latex Rubber Hose (stoking fires, tourniquet ) 54. Metal tubing (short, goes into the latex rubber hose, good for stoking fires) 55. Sewing kit (dont chince out, get lots of needles, all different types, thread, and BUTTONS!)