Dan

How about investing in ammo? Specifically common military types. Seems to steadily rise over time, and also subject to panic sky rocket markets.

If you give the government a choice to to allow or deny an activity they do not particularly want it's subjects to partake in without repercussions , the answer is almost always no. Add to that trying to use government defined mental health professionals who's only interest is saving their own butts from being sued, not being harassed by said govt, and making $, what do you think their safe answer would be? Just more gun control under guise of "safety" .

FBI testing of .223 usage for close quarters is worth checking out as well. http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=26

You have to read the section in its entirety , snipping out sections doesn't work.... after subsection (b) explaining the duty to retreat... EXCEPT under the following circumstances. There are even further exceptions outlining when you do not have to withdraw or surrender possessions under any circumstances... not just from your home. This is how NJ law works. Lots of nested exceptions. Sure its a pain in the arse to figure them all out, but its been done over and over again. I just emplore you to read through everything, and take into account all of the nested exemptions. Its also basis of how all NJ gun laws work as well.

You have it all wrong. Under a valid SD situation where a criminal enters your home unlawfully , you do not have to give up any ground if you feel they are there to do you or other household members under your protection harm. You do not have to cower in your bedroom. E.g. If your kid is down the hall, you have the law backing you to leave your bedroom and face the intruder directly in order to protect your kids. Unless you were the initial aggressor (criminal) you do not have to retreat at all in your own home. Are you even reading the statutes or just some internet person's interpretation? We're giving you the actual laws here to read for fact checking.... It even spells out what the law considers justifiable immediate use of force. If you interpret the following to mean that you have some kind of obligation to retreat, nobody will change your mind.

IMO Low recoil 00 Buck. That being said, I'm subscribed to using a HG with self defense rounds for the go-to HD gun. If a long gun is needed, I'd go for the AR with 55grain varmint rounds like VMAX. Provides the needed penetration and expansion whilst more apt to break up in barriers more so then buck or slugs out of a shotgun. Shotgun penetration in building materials is surprising, check out the box-o-truth website.

The law when it comes to you in your own home does not stipulate any kind of retreat is necessary. You do not have to comply with unlawful orders by an intruder. Where do you get this "safely retreat" stuff from? Perhaps that is from the statutes on self defense from outside the home?

acrpowdercoating.com is what I believe you are looking for. I met the owner at CJRPC once helping him out with his AR. Very nice guy and his work looked great. I personally haven't used them yet.

OK lets break it down for you.. c. (1) Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:3-5, N.J.S.2C:3-9, or this section, the use of force or deadly force upon or toward an intruder who is unlawfully in a dwelling is justifiable when the actor reasonably believes that the force is immediately necessary for the purpose of protecting himself or other persons in the dwelling against the use of unlawful force by the intruder on the present occasion. This is saying that you can use deadly force on intruders who are unlawfulling in your home and when it is justifiable to protect yourself or other people from being hurt by the bad guy. (no mention of you need to first try running away) (2)A reasonable belief exists when the actor, to protect himself or a third person, was in his own dwelling at the time of the offense or was privileged to be thereon and the encounter between the actor and intruder was sudden and unexpected, compelling the actor to act instantly and: This is saying that you can take instant and immediate action (again nothing about first needing to try to retreat as that would not be instant) (a)The actor reasonably believed that the intruder would inflict personal injury upon the actor or others in the dwelling; or This is setting rules under which justifiable use of force is, so you can't go kill the vaccum salesman that you invited in your home because you are a sociopath. (b)The actor demanded that the intruder disarm, surrender or withdraw, and the intruder refused to do so. Some good advice to follow in any defense situation, demand the intruder drop their weapons and leave. Give them a chance for THEM to retreat.... (nothing about you needing to retreat here) (3)An actor employing protective force may estimate the necessity of using force when the force is used, without retreating, surrendering possession, withdrawing or doing any other act which he has no legal duty to do or abstaining from any lawful action. Well you think this spells it out when it comes to your duty to retreat in your own home. It is plainly explaining that you do not have a duty to retreat under duress from an unlawful intruder in your own home. You do not have to surrender your items or give up ground in your own home. You do not have to follow unlawful orders from the intruder. Now on the street, it is different, NJ law does say that if you can retreat or give up ground in order to avoid using self defense force, even an unlawful order from some bad guy like "get out of my face or I'll kill you"... you are obligated to try that first. Not in your own home. It can't be any more clear then how its listed in the statute. There's a myriad of other rules in N.J.S.2C:3-5, N.J.S.2C:3-9 that should be understood also. Roughly its common sense stuff though. When you break it all down, the law is designed to offer protections for a homeowner to protect themselves and family in their own home from a violent intruder without any duty to give up ground, run to a safe room, or dial 911 while making coffee for the bad guy. The law does not protect people who shoot someone because they got into an argument while in their house or any other BS stuff like that. There better be a tangible reason as to why a homeowner felt they needed to use deadly force. Stuff like kicking in your door and charging at you with a machete... pretty believable. Lost guy ringing the doorbell at night... not so much.

Nj has a castle doctrine law. You do not have a duty to retreat in your own home. You can use deadly force if you have a good reason to believe the intruder is there to hurt or kill you or other people in your home under your protection.

Home prices not much cheaper then here in NJ? It's all relative if you ask me. I can find homes in NJ that are very affordable, but just not in an area that I would want to live. I could also find homes in NC/SC that are way out of my league. When I compare where I live today with a similar type of neighborhood in the Charlotte area, dollar for dollar I feel I can get more of a house down there (along with 60% in tax savings). Just like anywhere, desirable areas will have commensurate prices.

Yea I hear about the influx of NJ/NY folks in the Charlotte area. I'm just hoping that the dark blue progressives are for the most part... staying behind. All that I can hope for is for the SE to hold out at least until I'm retired; whence I can then move once again to whatever last bastion of freedom is left in this country.

Its official, my transfer is approved. I'll be looking to sell up here and move down sometime between now and July. I have to say, I've been through ups and downs with this decision, and was very close to calling it off. I'm glad that I didn't and things are moving full speed ahead from this point on. I have to say I'm very excited to GTFO of this state for multiple reasons (including 2A rights of course). I'm actually holding off on my .308 AR build until the move. It will be my first freedom rifle built in free America. On that note, if anyone is looking for a good home in the Old Bridge area, drop me a note.

Thanks for the info, confirms what I have been researching. I take it you are still looking around? Feel free to pm me with any info or areas that you come across and I'll do the same.

I'm leaning more towards the SC side of the border. They unfortunately have all of the prohibited carry areas and signage rules. Easy fix, not to patronize posted establishments. The big problem I see are schools. For instance, it would be illegal to pick up my daughter at her school with a gun in the car unless she met me on public property. Otherwise, its pretty much a cash and carry state when it comes to purchasing and owning. Gasp!, I don't understand how the streets aren't running red with blood. <sarcasm off>. Plus fireworks are legal there, another hobby that I enjoy and is denied in NJ. I'm also concerned with the amount of dark blue folks moving down there. Just like what is happening to Colorado with the hippies from the west coast. I can only hope that they don't build critical mass and that the natives keep them at bay. This is also another reason I'm looking at the SC side. It appears to get a decent share of transplants, but not as much as the NC/Charlotte area. The dark blues coagulate together like a fungal colony. They fear being surrounded by red and hopefully it will contain them there. This is all still up in the air, but my fingers are crossed.

I'm currently mulling over an opportunity to fill an open role with my company in the Charlotte area in Free America. This is all happening very quickly. I've been there a few times on business and thought it was pretty nice. I'm actually looking on the South Carolina side of the border. Does anyone have any experience with the area? I'm open to hearing the good , bad, and any helpful tips. Once it becomes more real like it is going to happen, the wife and I are going to go scouting down there. The biggest positives for me so far are a larger/nicer house for the same money, great weather, great schools (obviously depends on where we buy but it is a must), slower/less stress lifestyle, politics, lower taxes, and of course gun laws.

IMHO.... FMJ's are a compromise for military's of the world. They have to balance barrier blind capabilities with terminal effects in enemy combatants. Que in the current choice of 5.56 (Mk262/Mk318) and 5.45 (7n6/7n10) intermediate cartridges of the world. Both contain technology to enable decent barrier blind capabilities, along with destabilization effects for terminal organic target damage (most notably the propensity to yaw and cause large cavitation cavities along with physical projectile path tissue damage). Military's also have to follow the war laws stating that expanding bullets aren't allowed. That being said, for self defense situations or hunting... most of the time barrier blind capabilities are not needed or are actually a liability. That opens the task to the various expanding bullets designed for rapid expansion in organic targets, such as varmint rounds. This is where I feel rounds such as the 55 or 60 grain Hornady VMAX round to be an excellent choice for a home defense round. For hunting, bonded soft points will allow for more penetration before full expansion/fragmentation.

I'm feeling this is a setup for something larger. My libby-senses are tingling and I feel a rifle caliber handgun ban of some sort is being cooked up. After all, this is what they have been using as the premise for the 7n6 and M855 bans. Scores of people have been writing in saying that any rifle caliber gun, handgun or not, is capable of defeating standard soft body armor. I'm just not aware how they would legally proceed on this one without legislation. The best they can do is ban rifle caliber handguns from importation using that ridiculous "non-sporting" clause.

Additional info on 7n6's ban. The ATF basically re-used it for the M855 attempted ban. http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2014/04/040714-special-advisory-test-examination-and-classification-7n6-545x39-ammunition.html

I'd like to know the details around how 7n6 fits the AP definition. It has a non-hardened steel core component like M855.

Lets not forget about LE special privileges.... like the formerly proposed 10 round mag ban exemption, and now this. Par for the course with nanny state progressive elitists... take powers and liberty away from the people and reserve them for the state and its enforcers.

Ah the good ole' "all they want is their little guns and to do with them as they please, we should confiscate, confiscate, confiscate" open-mic celebrity. Reading those changes reminds me of how convoluted our laws already are, and now they want to add even more BS to them. It's bad enough our pistol permitting scheme scams us into involuntarily voluntarily registering our pistols with the nanny state. That's some real dictator type stuff there. I mean WTF is a voluntary registration law when the only way to purchase a handgun is to involuntarily register it? I digress. I suppose she is supporting this with some kind of bogus statistics around how illegal straw purchased rifles and shotguns are involved in the majority of police and mass shootings in our state. Just like banning green tip ammo was being justified by the "think of police" logical fallacy argument. If this passes, its basically a $40 minimum tax per sale figuring if FFL's charge $25 a pop. Not to mention our already antiquated, overpriced, and broken state based NICS won't be able to keep up. And there they go with the "reasonable" BS in laws when it comes to what price a dealer can charge. Who's to say that price won't creep up to $50+NICS? Is that "reasonable"... only the NJ State Legislature knows that answer, along with what "reasonable deviations" are when it comes to transport laws.

The Linux route is also always an option. Its come a long way at being easy to use and there are tons of open source free software options out there. Its as easy as searching a linux "app store" and clicking install for most stuff. There are lots of benefits including it is free and runs on the same hardware that a Windows box does. You also don't have to buy into stylish yet overpriced hardware as you would with Apple. I installed Linux Mint on my wife's and mother inlaw's PC's a few months ago. They love it, and I'm happy that for the most part they are nearly immune to most malware floating around out there. Linux enjoys the same benefits of OSX when it comes to the malware scene... its just not profitable for the malware writers to target those platforms.... yet.

I load my own.

I call it an adventure.