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if this bill is gonna pass anyhow (and it likely will), perhaps they can at the very least add to it something that will turn the permitting process into something that doesn't have to go through courts and judges.

I would hope they set up something different for qualifying with a revolver. 24 shots at 7 yards under time constraints would be pretty difficult if you have to reload a J frame 5 times.

Here's Frank Tait's thoughts on the book on the NRA coming out. https://taitnra.substack.com/p/thoughts-on-misfire-inside-the-downfall

What is even more heartbreaking is that apparently it took a Democrat Attorney General from New York to show the NRA members that their premier gun rights organization has been totally violating the laws governing nonprofits, and has been completely wasting millions of dollars of member dues and donations on things having nothing to do with gun rights, to the point that it can't even fix the roof on its own headquarters, let alone prudently spend member dues and donations on the actual 2A cause. And that it took a Vanity Fair article to finally cut through this fake image of Wayne LaPierre the NRA has put together, and give NRA members a look at what type of person has been leading the NRA to the brink of disaster. Why couldn't actual 2A supporters find this out first and fix it before it became so bad and so much money was wasted? Oliver North tried and was thrown out and no one defended him. https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=MXZLcCl9fRX7yBbDJanoRA== LaPierre should step down? The board re-upped Wayne LaPierre to his post with celebration a few weeks ago, October 2nd. The entire NRA has to be reformed from top to bottom. https://nraindanger.wordpress.com/2021/10/03/nra-members-meeting-aftermath/ https://nraindanger.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/2021-members-and-board-meetings/ The NRA is so broke it can't fix the roof of its headquarters and yet it is apparently spending $2 Million a month on attorneys to fight the NY Attorney General's suit rather than admit what is now obvious which is that it doesn't follow basic rules for governing a nonprofit and refuses to fire and replace those who are responsible for the violations. https://nraindanger.wordpress.com/2021/10/18/nra-legal-bills/ When you actually did break the law, the sooner you admit it and try to make amends the more lenient the court will be to you. This is common sense. Not too long from now, the NRA will have spent on lawyers everything it can get its hands on and will have to file a real bankruptcy action. This AG took down Cuomo you think she can't take down the NRA if it keeps simply denying all of this well documented mismanagement, as it has been doing? Robert Conquest's quote comes to mind: “The behavior of any bureaucratic organization can best be understood by assuming that it is controlled by a secret cabal of its enemies.” Think about that for a bit.

What is even more heartbreaking is that apparently it took a Democrat Attorney General from New York to show the NRA members that their premier gun rights organization has been totally violating the laws governing nonprofits, and has been completely wasting millions of dollars of member dues and donations on things having nothing to do with gun rights, to the point that it can't even fix the roof on its own headquarters, let alone prudently spend member dues and donations on the actual 2A cause. And that it took a Vanity Fair article to finally cut through this fake image of Wayne LaPierre the NRA has put together, and give NRA members a look at what type of person has been leading the NRA to the brink of disaster. Why couldn't actual 2A supporters find this out first and fix it before it became so bad and so much money was wasted? Oliver North tried and was thrown out and no one defended him. https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=MXZLcCl9fRX7yBbDJanoRA== LaPierre should step down? The board re-upped Wayne LaPierre to his post with celebration a few weeks ago, October 2nd. The entire NRA has to be reformed from top to bottom. https://nraindanger.wordpress.com/2021/10/03/nra-members-meeting-aftermath/ https://nraindanger.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/2021-members-and-board-meetings/ The NRA is so broke it can't fix the roof of its headquarters and yet it is apparently spending $2 Million a month on attorneys to fight the NY Attorney General's suit rather than admit what is now obvious which is that it doesn't follow basic rules for governing a nonprofit and refuses to fire and replace those who are responsible for the violations. https://nraindanger.wordpress.com/2021/10/18/nra-legal-bills/ When you actually did break the law, the sooner you admit it and try to make amends the more lenient the court will be to you. This is common sense. Not too long from now, the NRA will have spent on lawyers everything it can get its hands on and will have to file a real bankruptcy action. This AG took down Cuomo you think she can't take down the NRA if it keeps simply denying all of this well documented mismanagement, as it has been doing? Robert Conquest's quote comes to mind: “The behavior of any bureaucratic organization can best be understood by assuming that it is controlled by a secret cabal of its enemies.” Think about that for a bit.

Here's a blog with all the details of the internal hollowing out of the NRA, it is extremely sad reading and really the fact that things have been allowed to get this bad and they still re-up Wayne LaPierre every time is heartbreaking. https://nraindanger.wordpress.com/blog/

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Interesting reading: https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/the-tragic-mess-that-is-todays-nra/384636

This is going to get worse before it gets better. Don't be surprised when the bankruptcy court in Texas sends the case to the bankruptcy court in New York.

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Sure would be nice if someone could open a range in the Meadowlands. So much space there, but probably impossible to get clearance from the authorities.

Pick any revolver from this list: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Boardwalk_Empire#Revolvers

If asked the police will probably state that if gun and ammo is in the same container, they interpret that to mean the gun is loaded. That will be what they say they are basing their website FAQ answer on. A Judge might very well go along with that. That's the law in New York BTW - actually the term loaded is defined to have an even wider scope in NY. https://www.newyorkcriminalattorneyblog.com/new_york_gun_laws_when_your_un/ Unless and until "loaded" is defined in the NJ by statute, or decided by the NJ Supreme Court (or US Supreme Court) then there will forever be confusion. That is why I say that this whole question is unknown. It is why Evan Nappen cautions his clients. It is why saying it's "100% legal" is, in my humble opinion, irresponsible. If you say it's "100% legal" are you going to pay the poor sap's lawyer who relies on you and gets arrested and fired from his job? I certainly do not think a gun is loaded unless there's a round in the chamber (or if the magazine is charged and inserted and the bolt pulled back on a gun which fires from an open bolt). But what I think it should mean doesn't matter! Suing the NJ State Police on what they say on their website might be a great way to have the definition of "loaded" decided conclusively in the courts, however. Perhaps a good idea!

Good grief, I didn't say it was illegal, I said nobody knows one way or another because "loaded" is not defined by statute. Some people just can't handle it if everyone doesn't completely and fully agree with what they say on the internet. Don't get bent out of shape because you don't get 100% agreement with your opinion on the internet. But it's OK - one cop from the State Police's Firearms Unit says it's legal in an email, so it's unquestionably so. Suppose another cop was answering emails at the computer that day and said it's not legal. Guess that's it, settled, no can do, illegal! The NJ State Police website says that firearms and ammunition must be transported in different containers. Even though there is no law requiring that which I can find, the police said it, in fact it's on their website, so quite clearly must be correct! https://www.njsp.org/firearms/firearms-faqs.shtml So for those of you who put loaded mags and your handgun in the same range bag, and drive happily to the range - which cop is right now? The one cop in Trenton that said loaded mags are fine, or the cop who did the FAQ page on the NJ State Police website, that says you can't have ammunition in the same bag as a gun? They can't both be right. And it is irresponsible to say that it's "100% Legal" and have people rely on it, if it is not certainly so. Are we going to have another hundred or so posts of people complaining again because I pointed all of this out?

The police are many times THE WORST source of legal advice on gun laws. What they say is legal or not doesn't mean anything! Fundamentally, no one has an answer, which is why these discussion threads go out of control EVERY TIME.

See, it's totally clear, right? Since the state never defined what "loaded" means, it means to you whatever you want it to mean. It means to the police officer searching your gear on the side of the road whatever he/she wants it to mean. It means to the prosecutor deciding whether to press charges whatever he wants it to mean. To the judge hearing your case, it is a stupid question to begin with, since the judge probably knows no more than what he/she saw in a bunch of movies, which always get it wrong anyhow. Of course it's loaded. God only knows what it means to the jury. To your boss, who hears you got arrested, it means something very, very bad. To your accountant, after all is said and done, it means your savings is no longer "loaded" but is surely empty! See? Absolutely, totally clear!!!!

Don't forget the federal law too. You won't pass a NICS check, because a felony will bar you under Federal law from legally possessing or purchasing a firearm. If it was a state conviction you could potentially get it expunged. Hire a lawyer.

Nope.

If the state issues pistol permits instead of local police departments, then the process can be regularized and monitored and one lawsuit against the state can be filed if there is abuse. Right now every municipality has its own procedure and schedule and policy, which changes every time the police chief changes...and the law is the police are supposed to investigate you - which means they can pretty do as much snooping as they want, call your employer, etc. Every individual town has to be sued, each with its own set of facts, etc., if there is any problem. If the town police don't like you, they currently could cause all sorts of problems for you. Of course there shouldn't be purchase permits in the first place, but if we are going to have them anyhow, I for one would rather have a statewide system that's automated and staffed by a bureaucracy with fixed rules impartially applied. As it is right now, if the present right to carry lawsuit goes our way, your town police will still be the ones investigating and deciding on your carry permit, with authority to investigate you as much as they want, if the current lawsuit to throw out "justified need" is successful. Look at the form you have to fill out. I for one would rather have the state police do a quick search of the state records and approve, then have to go to the local police station after hours (since I am working during the day) and satisfy some local town detective that I'm OK, and fill out a form that allows him to do a fishing expedition of an investigation if they don't want to issue one to me. Alternatively, if you live in a permissive town, I'd understand why you would want to keep the system as is. But you will complain if the political orientation of the town flips and a new chief is appointed.

If they are going to have a permitting system at all, to purchase handguns, the state should have taken this over decades ago from local police departments and automated it. Our current system in NJ is archaic.

Not looking to talk you out of selling it, but that rifle will be ready to work when you retire. Unlike just about everything else you own, this thing doesn't get outdated. It will work 100 years from now. And you don't need to get a FID to own it, if you inherited it. FID from the police only required to buy another - you can inherit without one. So you could put it in your closet and leave it for another 20 years and it will be ready when you are. There is something about having your father's guns...sell em and you may regret it. But do as you wish.

This is a good gun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norinco_NHM_91 Made to be imported as a "sporting" rifle per federal law. Seems to be NJ legal. Why not keep it? If you have had it that long, and your father has passed away, and you are his heir, it is yours.