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My problem with this is I have never seen a pepper spray container labeled as to how many ounces (or factions thereof) they contain. So, is it legal or not in NJ? How big a spray can exceeds 3/4 an ounce? Impossible to tell. Cross the border into NY, and the limitation is not on volume, but on percentage of OC (the pepper powder), NY legal sprays are generally half as strong as a percentage OC as sprays for the other states. So in NY you can't have a strong one but you can have a big weak one, and in NJ you can't have a big one but you can have a strong small one. So if you cross from NY to NJ and want to be legal all the time, you have to have a weak and small one in order to be compliant in both states. I don't know if anyone has ever been prosecuted for having one over the volume limit in NJ or over the %OC limit in NY.

Evidently under Christie absolutely nothing has changed.

Here is an idea and who knows if it would be accepted but you could go to the NJ MVC website beforehand and put in a change of address online. They will mail you a sticker to put on the back of your drivers license that has your new stated address on it. That way if police dispute that your residence is where you are staying for two weeks you can point to your drivers license as proof of residence. But then of course the next question is why didn't you apply in the town of your new residence for a new FOID since you moved? Not to mention potentially getting summoned for jury duty down there. So basically you are in a bind no matter what you do which is as the state intended when enacting these monstrosities. Just bring an unloaded shotgun and save yourself from grief. Your FOID card is all you need to have the shotgun with you in case you need it. Another issue - if you do bring a handgun to the shore, are you bringing hollow point defensive ammo too? One 50 round box is another potential 50 felony counts if you lose your argument in court. Why tempt fate? Legally you can bring as much buckshot shells as you want. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Looks like everything went well but the one thing not considered is what if you got stopped by NYPD before you even got to the airport? A car breakdown or a traffic accident or a traffic infraction pull over in the city and if NYPD found out about the pistol you would surely be arrested and jailed no matter how much you were clear with the airport authorities. Not to say that you should not have done it but just keep that in mind. Arguing the FOPA in NYC is pretty precarious because the city court hates to concede federal preemption of their law. Even when people have charges dismissed under FOPA i hear that in the mean time their gun is usually melted down, on top of attorney costs and lost time and heartache. It is worth it to pay more for a ticket out of Newark in my opinion. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

My thought on these things is I never want to see judges and prosecutors butchering these arguments in a court room because they will get it wrong more often than not. Better off just bringing a shotgun in a duffel bag and avoiding the issue entirely. Take the barrel off and it can fit in a medium size bag and nobody would know. You know that if you have to use the pistol in self defense outside of your legitimate residence you will be arrested for a second degree felony right off the bat which is a more serious crime than the robbery or assault that you were defending yourself from in the first place. The cops will be more interested in locking you up than the person you are defending yourself from. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Gee if bodega owners don't have a right to bear arms because they do business in a high crime area, then they must not have any other rights either. Maybe if they go to court to get a contract enforced, the judge should say "Well gee you chose to open a bodega in a high crime area, so I won't enforce your contract. Case dismissed." Maybe bodega owners in high crime areas ought not have the right to a jury trial either if they get arrested. I mean, if they aren't entitled one fundamental constitutional right, why should they be entitled to any of the others? Maybe they shouldn't be allowed to vote, or to voice their opinion on political matters. I mean, they choose to be in a high crime area, right? Surely they surrendered their rights. Maybe we are all wrong here. Maybe the second amendment should be interpreted to mean that you have a right to bear arms only if you don't need them. If you need them for defense of yourself, your family, your customers, your house, your property or your neighborhood, then that's your fault and obviously you don't have any rights in this regard. I have a feeling that bodega robberies would become pretty rare if the "career" of bodega-robber became a high-risk career path, as opposed to the lucrative and easy occupation that it has become when people become squeamish about recognizing and advocating for shop keepers' rights to peacefully transact business with their customers (99.9% of whom are fine people), their right to bear arms, and their right to defend their store from lawless criminals.

The NJ authorities ought to put bodega workers at ease by letting them know that if someone starts a robbery and points a gun at them they can fill out a bunch of forms and bring the forms to the police and begin the months long process of getting denied for a carry permit. Sure the robbery will be done in a minute and the permit application process takes months and you will be denied unless someone is literally holding you at gunpoint while the application is being slowly shuffled through the police department and the courts and while the judge deliberates, but certainly the robber will give you the courtesy of putting his crime on hold to allow you the opportunity to complete the bureaucratic process necessary to be formally denied your right to effectively defend yourself. And if the robbery takes less than several months to complete (and you survive) then you didn't need to bear arms anyway right? As a famous comic from the USSR exclaimed "What a country!" Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Get one of those compact safes that snap open with the four finger grooves and four buttons and bolt it to a table and bolt the table to a wall. Those things open near instantly without even having to look at it and keep it secure so only you and your trusted family members can open and use it. Then you dont have any reason to worry when you are away from the house. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Shooting a small handgun is challenging and improves your marksmanship with larger handguns. If you practice with a snub nose revolver shooting double action and get good with it, then shooting anything else accurately is easy. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

The Swiss shoot rifles and drink wine at the range on weekends. They dont have a problem.Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Just an observation police standard ammo in the US is mostly .40 What will you find in every police car and station and in every FEMA depot after the zombies eat law enforcement brain while you hide? .40 S&W. As for me .22 sounds right. It works and is quiet. It doesn't attract attention with a loud boom. That is a big plus. Silenced .22 would be even better. Hide and evade the zombies. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

They are good people there. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

We ought to start a letter writing campaign to glock. Make a carbine!!!!!!!! Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Silica gel is good to ensure a safe stays dry. Cat litter crystals are a cheap source. You can dry them out in the microwave in short bursts. And use tape or caulk to seal off bolt holes in the safe from the inside to keep moist air from entering. Also VCI rust inhibitors like bull frog are good too. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

The operative factor is how hard you pull the slide back. It seems to me that if you really snap that bolt backwards quickly, you run a big risk. And not all primers are the same anyhow. You get a primer that goes off with a lighter strike, then it is more likely to go off in this gun. I forgot - I also had problems shooting Wolf steel case 9mm in the HiPoint. The primers were too hard, the hammer couldn't put a big enough dent in them to set them off. Which makes sense, the firing pin is already overstressed so they don't feel confident to put a nice strong hammer strike on it. A strong hammer strike on that firing pin is going to break it even sooner. That firing pin really weirded me out. If you take the firing pin out, it's like an inch long because it has to pass through the bolt too. The thing's really thin and really long, and sure you can send the rifle back to HiPoint to get fixed whenever you want but I want to buy something that doesn't break in the first place. I am really surprised that nobody makes a good affordable 9mm carbine. The market has got to be there. You have two choices - a cheap questionably designed HiPoint and a ridiculously expensive Beretta CX4 with a messed up trigger. Or I suppose a third option the Sub2000 which looks like something out of Miami Vice. Why doesn't Glock get smart and make a carbine? They would sell a bazillion of them.

Anyone in the same room as that gun in NJ is looking at 5 years in prison. If you bring it to a NJ dealer and he accepts it, he will put your name and address in his bound book and thereby create a paper record that will make an open and shut felony case against whoever brought it to the dealer even if you dont get pulled over on the way there. Four years later a state police officer looking over records could haul you to prison over this if you bring it to a NJ dealer. Have your friend call Evan Nappen right away and take his advice. Phone legal advice is free to ANJRPC members. And stop posting evidence of a felony all over the internet. What kind of friend are you-you are gonna get your friend a felony conviction at this rate. Keep your mouth shut. You think the police dont check these forums every now and then? This is a serious problem. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

I had a hipoint carbine but sold it when I saw how it worked. Instead of having an ejector to knock the empty brass off the extractor and out of the side, the firing pin does double duty as an ejector. Think about that a minute to realize how wrong a design that is. First, when you pull the slide back to clear a live round from the chamber, the round is knocked loose from the extractor by the firing pin slamming against the primer. That is absolutely nuts. Second, with the firing pin doing double duty as an extractor it needs to stick out of the bolt face like a quarter inch. Lots of force on a long thin pin means the firing pin gets bent a lot and will need to be replaced often. Mine was bending already and I only shot like 200 rounds through it. Hence you have at best a firing pin that at best is overstressed and bends and breaks, and at worst the possibility of an out of battery cartridge detonation if you pull the slide back in a brisk manner to unload your gun. I couldn't sell that hipoint carbine quick enough after I realized what crappy shortcuts they took in its design. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Were I you, I'd bring them another signed form application all filled out with your new reference listed instead of your old reference, along with a paper signed letter from yourself to the department notifying them in writing about the medical condition of your prior reference, and how you therefore are providing an alternative reference. Keep photocopies of both the new form and your letter. That way, if this becomes an issue because the police department is being unreasonable, you have documented your reasonable request and their unreasonable refusal or delay. Remember what is said on the phone is subject to flawed recollection and therefore cannot be proven, but what is put on paper is documented. If you correspond with them in writing they know that if they don't do their job that they will eventually receive a call from a lawyer. They don't want that. "Restarting the clock" is nonsense - the law is supposed to be they issue it within 30 days, not after 30 days. If all they are waiting on is references, technically they could issue it to you right now if you brought your reference with you in person and they did their job.

TKL21 is a really nice guy, pleasure to deal with.

Thanks!!!

Very nice guy, a great person all around.

+1 for dajonga, right on time and a great person to deal with.

Take a little skip over the border to Bristol, Pennsylvania and you can get Florida, Virginia and Utah carry permits at Ready Aim Fire. And rent a machine gun at the range for good measure.

I'd have a gunsmith look that gun over and make sure it doesn't malfunction again. The ATF considers a double shotgun that fires both barrels the same time with one trigger pull to be a "machine gun" and you don't want that kind of potential legal aggravation.

You always gotta check the definitions in the law and not make any assumptions. For instance, under New York law a "firearm" is a handgun or something concealable, and a rifle would not be a "firearm" unless it had a short barrel. More confusion!