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Hmm...rapid target acquisition, moving into and out of positions, shooting on the move, shooting fast and accurately. I am sure none of this has any practical application whatsoever. Going to the range a few times a year and doing a two week tactical course will certainly prepare you for zombies much better.

Production division is now one of the most popular divisions in USPSA. Stages are abstract tests of various shooting skills. They make at least as much sense as any other sports shooting. Your absence will be mourned.

If that was cheap enough, I would buy it and shoot it in a match.

I would be concerned with what would happen with any bullets that missed. How many dry wall and plywood houses can these things go through?

16" is a decent compromise. I would not go shorter. But I would definitely do a build and not buy route. Maybe a hybrid route that Vlad proposed. I just do not see an off the shelf configuration that I would be happy with. A $1200 is a very decent budget for a build.

Aha...so what is the advantage of a short barrel for anyone not planning to go kicking in doors in Falluja?

And what is the fetish with the stubby barrel?

There are only four tiny problems with that build. 1. Collapsible stock. 2. Flash suppressor. 3. 14.5" barrel. 4. Threaded barrel. Aside from that, it does not have a free float handguard.

Why would you think that?

You people are overreacting. After all he is one of the good guys who is trained to protect us. Which is why we do not need any guns in the first place.

Big problems consist of lots of little problems. You solve the big ones by dealing with each little one in turn.

Unless they get the new guns for free, the taxpayers are paying...because the seized drug assets could be used to offset the cost of something else the tax payers are laying out the money for. And all of that is absolute nonsense. I have nothing against M&P. I own one and plan to get at least one more. But what tangible advantage will an officer gain from changing glock to M&P or from .40 to .45? Maybe they could use the money to teach police officers how to shoot instead. When a whorehouse is loosing money you do not rearrange the beds, you change the whores.

Mother's day = no shooting for me.

I am sure North Jersey taxpayers will happily fit the bill for this purchase that is based entirely on personal preference.

Who runs the new member signups these days?

Actually I have had a rather good record of success with trigger mods. Granted I have had a couple of guns go full auto before I figured out the workable combination. Since then I've had probably at least 25K rounds through my modified Glocks without a hitch. Not going to elaborate on what I do as I do not endorse it for anyone but myself.

As a certified glock butcher, I can think of another way to enable it to fire out of battery - take out all of the pre-travel out of the trigger and you will have disabled both the plunger and the drop safety (trigger safety too, but you can correct that that by trimming the back of the trigger safety lever). Thats one of the reasons I do not really mess with pre-travel much.

I do not believe there is any confusion on my part. You seem to have some personal definitions like "minute of man" and "precision shot". Those have no meanings except what anyone wants to give them. Please be precise in your definitions. Fact is most ARs (yes even with the 20" barrel) are not sub MOA or even 1 MOA guns. Certainly not with bulk ammo. And most shooters are not 1 MOA shooters. From what I have seen of the ar15.com crowd in competitions, for all their theorizing about precision shooting, maybe 1 in 10 can reliably put shots on 8 inch steel at 200 yards prone. So all this talk of "precision" and 2 moa dot is just a little funny. You made a statement about some scopes being "OK for games I guess". I simply asked you to clarify what was it that the "serious" scopes were for? Because I know of no more abstract game than bench rest shooting - the ultimate in precision. There you go using that word again. "I do no think it means what you think it means". I think I clearly explained how to use holdovers on the Meopta out to 500 yards. Just because you do not know how to use something, does not mean that it does not exist. I wonder if you have ever shot a 3-gun match in your life? Because your talk about 10 inch circles at 50 or 100 yards makes me wonder. But like I said before I have seen a lot of "precision shooters" fail to hit an 8" steel at 200 yards in 3-gun matches. Perhaps it was too close or too big a target. Yes, 50 yard targets on the move while doing forward rolls I am sure. OK, this discussion has gotten way too silly for me. I am going to move onto something more rewarding like internet porn. Real masturbation beats virtual any day.

As opposed to "serious work" for when SHTF? At X4 magnification, Meopta dot is 2moa. From the bottom of the dot to the top of the vertical post is another 2 moa. The post is 13 moa. So the bottom of the post is 16 moa below the center of the dot. This is going to vary slightly depending on the particular load and barrel but with a 50 yard 0 At: 100 - 150 yards - top of the dot on target - POI = .5" high. (1 moa = 1 - 1.5" so you are aiming at sub moa) 200yds - top of the dot on target - POI = dead on. 250yds - dot on target - POI = dead on 275yds - bottom of the dot on target - POI = dead on. 300yds - bottom of the dot on target - POI ~= 2.7" low ( 1 moa = 3.1" you are still aiming sub moa) 350yds - top of the post on target - POI ~= "1" low ( 1 moa = 3.7" still sub moa aim) 400yds - top of the post on target - POI ~= 8" low - aim at head, hit chest 450yds - top of the post on target - POI ~= 16" low - aim top of the head, hit chest 500yds - bottom of the post on target - POI ~= 36" high - aim at feet hit abdomen. For ranging: Vertical post fits between the top of the head and the sternum ~= 100 yards Top of the dot and the top of the post just about bracket the head ~= 200 yards Torso about the size of the vertical post ~= 300 yards Full body about the size of the vertical post ~= 500 yards Meopta illumination is clearly visible in the brightest sunlight. Being not true 1x S&B is not as good for close range as meopta and offers no obvious advantage at x4. All that for about 3X the cost. Elcan is a nice scope but once again at more than double the cost of the meopta is it really twice the scope?

Yes, but a 30 round P-Mag will actually let you squeeze in the 31st round. A pinned P-Mag that lets you squeeze in the 16th round would be a felony in NJ.

I went with this scope as a Meopta substitute for my .22 upper (I wish I could afford another . I did it after playing with Vlad's a little so I knew what I was getting. It is darker than Meopta, field of view is a bit narrower and I think the eye relief is not as generous. It obviously does not have the same exit pupil size as demonstrated by the reduced brightness, but it also forces a very precise cheek weld for Millet while Meopta gives me more leeway - which is not a bad feature in a training scope. I knew before buying that the illumination on the reticle was not bright enough to work in daylight - but since its primary (and only) application is for training at the indoor range, it did not bother me. Can not speak to its durability since it does not get much knocking about. Overall I have no complaints. Millet delivers what I need from it. But my requirements for it are very modest.

I can recommend Meopta Meostar 1-4 K-Dot. It is a true 1X and on that setting it works great for close up shooting with both eyes open with rapid transitions. At X4 magnification you can easily engage IPSC silhouettes at 350 yards. The glass is crystal clear and bright. Reticle illumination is strong enough to clearly show up in brightest sunlight and the same time it stays sharp on all power settings. The scope does not have a built in BDC as such but the reticle configuration gives you the ability to both range the targets and figure out hold overs. It is not a cheap scope. With a LaRue mount you are probably looking at around $900-950. It is also not a small scope - either in weight on in dimensions. But in its price range it is very hard to beat so naturally it is one of the favorites with the 3-gun community. And one more thing. I know quite a few shooters who have these scopes (myself included) and none of us ever had an issue with it. However nothing is perfect and one shooter I know had a Meopta go bad on him during the West point match a week ago. Looks like an internal screw came loose and the scope would not hold zero. The shooter called Meopta and had a brand new scope two days later. He was shooting with his brand new scope already zeroed at yesterday's NY state rifle match.

Sorry, sometimes I forget that most of you are a** backwards . Yes, I am a lefty. Or lefty where it pertains to this discussion. My overall handedness is so confusing that I am not exactly sure of what it is.

This started when I got an email this morning from topglock.com that contained an ad for 2011's Best Selling Glock Holster! Naturally I had to see what that is. Now this is not the first time that I have seen a mag pouch integrated into a strong side holster. This was however the first time I have seen this design presented as "Top Selling". If this is top selling then who is buying? I can imagine a worse location for a spare mag but it takes some doing. Pretend that you have this holster at 8 o'clock. Now try to reach the spare mag. I understand that I carry a bit of a spare tire around my waist - but I think it is a lot smaller than the national average. I honestly think I could do better with a spare mag in my back pocket (that is how I shot my first few USPSA matches). Am I missing something here? Is there a secret technique that somehow makes this useful?

I started taking my son shooting at 5.