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hard to believe this thread has turned into an argument in the first place... i'm done with this thread and it probably just should be locked or deleted... you're likely correct on most of the points... if i'll even remain as the forum's member i'll think hard before deciding to post any question or a thread... hopefully i'll at least get the tavor i want via rtsp out of this, i'll then deem this worth the weird hassle... cheers...

i never asked for advice in this thread, i asked for opinions, input and whether anyone else had similar experience with gb...i wasn't above taking an advice which i'd find useful but most advice was to be compliant towards gb's request or it was not conducive to my particular scenario...admin's advice was sound but still not what i deemed as one trumping my own plan, because of my particular needs...i thanked everyone of you for input whether i agreed with it or not, i was civil and still am despite the bullying attitude of you, et alia... i'm 56 y/o i also have decades of life experience, possibly more than most of you...came here as a 14 y/o on a political asylum from behind iron curtain, probably could write a book based just on my experience back in my country of birth just in my teen years...grew up in washington heights in nyc, moved constantly along the east coast...joined the navy 4 years later as soon as i learned english...was a rowdy biker, fighter, lover until broke my neck and became wheelchair bound...don't assume you're dealing with some dumb inexperienced newbie when replying to someone's post...and you can always just ignore a thread/post and move on... i never 'whined' anywhere in my thread, it's something imaginary you latch on to feel better about your attitude towards my supposedly whining posts which is based on thin air...you don't like my posts or me, just move on and ignore this...how can this be so complicated?...but you are a self avowed judge and executioner of what's appropriate or not and if it's not to your liking it must be killed... i'm seriously thinking of leaving this forum despite having just joined it recently...the unbearable attitude of folks like you is the reason...i don't advertise my firearms, lifestyle,etc..i registered here purely for useful info but it's not worth the hassle...

my initial post has 8-9 paragraphs, plus 2 questions.. yours above has 8...they're about the same in length yet mine is a novel... i strived to include only key info in every sentence yet apparently this still wasn't enough because scorpio decided to be presumptuous and thought up an entire fictional scenario of what i've done, not done and apparently thought in his first 'contribution' to this thread... i appreciate the tone change and an attempt to be more civil but you're really not, are you?...the poisoned barbs where you imply i'm high on myself and think i'm awesome [completely untrue and based on nothing i posted] is passive aggressive... look, my style of writing/typing might be annoying to some, i can't change my personality...i'm a very logical person and false logic, or absence of one jars me so i point it out... optimum sucks and there were times where e-mail never got past their servers into my mailbox, not this time however....a far as gb, i'm not going to use them...that stunt soured me for good, don't need them... thanks for your input... i agree with scorpio partially although from a very different perspective hehe... i don't think this thread has the informative value i thought i would have and perhaps should just be locked or even deleted... about the only one positive aspect it had for me was that i might get the tavor purchased/modified via rtsp after all, thanks to ms. 12 ga's input here..

you only need not to follow or read it instead of affect an antagonizing attitude... it's incredulous to me how so many here seem to have a short fuse and can't control their emotions yet are legal firearm owners... damn, wouldn't want to be anywhere near some of you when in a critical scenario...eye opening stuff...

ah yes, you're likely correct... i have a bunch of extra magpul 10 rounders i bought for my 1st rifle and figured most use the 10 rd ar15 mags in a tavor as well but forgot that there's that other option to pin the large capacity mags too... i won't go that route and just use the 10 rd mags but that's probably what she meant indeed... i'll send her an e-mail now and if she doesn't reply by noon or so i'll try and give her a call...

well, that could prove to be a very positive coincidence for me then... always good to have an 'in' no matter how slight haha... if you say so, i'll try once more then... hopefully i can purchase from, and have the tavor modded to my needs by your place including the cutlass grip swap...rebecca mentioned that the magazine needs to be pinned to be nj legal but i'm sure it was a typo [i hope haha] and she meant the stock... this would be the first choice for me as far as what i'm looking for and i might even then forgo a purchase of an 'o/f', at least for now... i don't feel as if gunbroker actually infringed upon my rights per se, but i do feel it certainly made an unreasonable and quite an outrageous, ludicrous demand...hence my decision not to 'lower myself' by compliance... thanks rhi/ms.12 ga....

as in my avatar's info...i'm right in the n/e corner of nj, about 10 minutes from pearl river, ny/ny border if tht helps...i live in a small twp which i'd prefer not to name directly... rebecca at rtsp replied to my initial e-mail inquiry about me potentially purchasing a tavor x95 from, and modifying it to nj comp status by, them... she replied that they could do this but not the swap of the factory 'cutlass' handle for an optional separate pistol grip/trigger guard combo... i don't believe she was aware that the factory cutlass grip can actually be exchanged for the latter and tavor actually offers these parts because she stated that it's part of the factory integral construction... she also asked if i could provide her with my phone number to discuss this in more detail... anyway, i promptly replied and stated that i was very much interested in following through with such purchase/mods and included my phone number... never received a call and i never go full eager-beaver in such scenarios and send incessant messages...if a business is truly interested and willing to do anything they should reply back as they state... if i press for work and they do this as some 'favor' the result can often be subpar and i'd only have myself to blame for twisting their arm to do work for me.... if they're not that eager to work with me on this, the final result might not be satisfying to me because it was done in order to stop me from pestering them, etc... true life experience talking here, btdt...

i don't have a problem with an additional fee but there are no ffls local to me who do such work... i inquired at the rtsp, who is probably the closest ffl and a shop which can do such work in-house... initially the reply was kind of in an affirmative but despite providing the lady my phone contact info she asked for to discuss this in more detail, there was no follow up...

i actually wasn't including you in that statement...just the few members who posted their replies most recently and seem to feel that g/b's demand was a reasonable one... i don't feel any animosity towards those who post such point of view and it's good to get a varying input...all inputs are appreciated but i completely disagree with their opinion and i hope they also appreciate that... "Just because you don't like how an entity does business doesn't mean you aren't free to do business with companies that will. " and that's exactly my course of action...

thank you for your input... i think they'd lose many potential members if they'd adapt such policy universally... i think i happen to be an exception rather than the rule... still, it made me feel unwelcome and uncomfortable so i'm not going to comply with their dumb demand and do without their service... re- your link... actually, non nj compliant x95s are constantly available in-stock online at various vendors... even rtsp seems to always have one in their inventory, that''s why i asked them if they'd modify one for me to nnj compliance standards... it's the nj legal ones that are unobtainable anywhere... regardless, thanks for that piece of info...

i entirely disagree with your conclusion and as i've already mentioned this elsewhere at least once in one of my replies above, once again will point to the fact that the confirmation e-mail with an activation link which g/b never even sent me would've been the confirmation of my name/address they'd need and demanded... that's if they meant my e-mail when they stated that they wwere unable to confirm my name and address... and if they meant my physical address instead, well, how do they confirm suchh with other potential account registrants, via google search of their name???...through a background check service?... even if so, i'd pass any of such means easier than most... when ii purchased my 3 firearrms online i was required only to provide the vendor a scan of my d/l and my nj 'fid'... this was for the actual firearm transaction... i'm surprised how many of you actually support g/b's policy they've tried to implement upon me and such excessive requests...it seems you'd be just fine with the same should you find yourself in an identical scenario... did you also fully support the mask and social distancing mandates which decimated the economy permanently and led to the current ever increasing and amassed erosion of freedoms and rights?... i respect your right to your opinion but i completely disagree with it... well, maybe i'm indeed the unreasonable one here but i also stand by my sentiments re- the situation... nevertheless, thanks for your input...

i believe you're being presumptuous re- a fictional scenario in which you think i've acted [or didn't] in a certain way instead of the facts i've given in my posts here... to answer your assumptions: i tried to register the account in the afternoon of the day before yesterday... when i didn't receive the confirmation e-mail with an activation code a few hours later, i followed up with a message sent via their 'contact us' form on their website... didn't receive any reply until almost 24 hours later, last late afternoon; that was the response with their demand which i've described in my initial post... upon reading it, i made the decision not to do any business with g/b and i sent them a reply stating so in no uncertain terms... i then googled the actual shop which advertises that firearm and checked their review ratings on various websites, they came out as legit, including top gunbroker's own rating... they don't have the lwrc oscar foxtrot listed in-stock anywhere on their own website but on their g/b ad it's listed as in-stock...so duh, of course i next sent them an inquiry regarding that firearm, that i'm potentially interested in purchasing it, whether it's still indeed in their inventory and i briefly described the situation with gunbroker's account which i wasn't able to finalize the registration of and aske if i could make the potential purchase sans the involvement of gubroker's listing... i'm still to hear back from them if at all... i also didn't include the fact of e-mailing a bunch of higher end rifle manufacturers [radian, lwrc, dd, lmt, mm], and a few shops who advertise as also having a full custom gunsmith in-house, and inquiring about purchasing [and/or also having one modified to nj compliant status] an 'other firearm' version of one of their rifles/pistols... additionally i've put myself on many 'notification' lists regarding the nj compliant tavor x95... and contacted a couple of larger vendors/shops inquiring about an approximate near future date when one of those tavors might be in stock... the replies i've received re nj comp tavor suggested such might easily not happen for months if not in excess of a year's time... all these activities were done in the past 3 week timeframe... the replies from various manufacturers were discouraging, they couldn't build an 'o/f' separately from their current production line ups and none were avaiable anywhere at this time to their knowledge.... an 'other' by mm was the alternative potential back up on my short list but their [very kind and cordial] reply by joe stated a 6 month waiting time for an order placed now and after i checked for availability of mm's o/f piece on their authorized dealers' websites, i've found none... lastly, they don't come with the cold hammer forged barrel and they can't do slightly custom builds using other manufacturer's parts such as barrels, receivers, etc... i thanked joe for his very prompt replies and stated that if i'll be unable to secure an 'other' from a different, top tier maker, i'll place my o/f mod mat order with them, within about 3 weeks... then i've found those 2 lwrc oscar foxtrot arms and a couple by zev tech [albeit the latter much priciier] on rtsp's site... i've been scouring the web searching for the right 'other forearm for me for the past 2 weeks...only managed to find a very few and only a couple i feel i'd fully trust with long term reliability and quality... i don't need one yesterday but want one within a month's time or less... i don't think your evaluation of what i've supposedly been doing [or not] or my presumed intentions is true nor based on actual facts... nevertheless, thanks for your input...

but demanding of me to shoot a pic of myself while holding a photo id - on top of providing 2 forms of valid ids - is quite excessive to achieve that goal [of verifying that i'm a legit account registrant]...if they meant my physical address - when they stated in their reply that they're unable to verify my name and address - that piece of info is actually easier to verify regarding my person than with most, as i've stated in my initial post here... and if they meant my e-mail address, that's what a confirmation [or in this case an activation code] e-mail is for... i'm supposed to click on a within it there and it then confirms to them that the e-mail i've entered upon the registration process is the correct one... i'm surprised that some here don't see this and are supportive of their idiotic request... nevertheless i thank you for your input... regarding their potentially misplaced confirmation/activation e-mail... i think it was self explanatory from the description of facts in my initial post that the e-mail with an activation code was never sent to my e-mail box by g/b... i thought that their response i've described therein should should lead to that logical conclusion... my isp is optimum, pretty much allof the big tech isps are giant anuses and anti 2a but it wasn't them and my e-mail account with them doesn't have a spam folder per se... well, it does have a 'junk' folder but nothing gets sent there directly unless i physically move it there... all e-mails which get through my box go to my main box for me to decide what to do with or where to move each one... the g/b simply never even sent me the confirmation e-mail with account activation code, contrary to what their website's confirmation welcome message stated when i finalized my account registration process... that very e-mail they never sent would serve as proof that i was legit and confirm my identity... their request for my 2 forms of id along with additional photo of myself holding a photo id is imo illogical, unreasonable and also somewhat invasive and demeaning... there is another way to verify that my address is legit and that's via the confirmation e-mail and in their case, an additional activation code...

thank you for your input... yeah, i doubt this is something that's done en masse on their part lest they'd lose, or never gain, a significant portion of more independence minded users... i mean imo this type of a request is quite invasive and demeaning... imo it's either something recent they do which will not fly for very long or someone at the customer service there got really lazy and decided to make me jump through unreasonable, excessive hoops...

nah, hardly anyone is going to see, or hear of, my firearms so i'm not interested in the 'flash' factor at all... i'm interested purely in ruggedness and reliability, as well as overall quality of performance... 30k round count...no, i hope not and not planning on such but i'd like to have a similar count reliability built into a piece i'm going to buy... i'm not planning on purchasing or bartering multiple firearms on regular basis down the line...just another rifle or two from the 1 i already have, 1 more shotgun, a 9mm carbine and 3 or 4 more handguns, one of those a revolver in .22lr and one a revolver in 9mm... perhaps a .22lr/410 combo rifle just to have a piece that accommodates the few hundred 410 buckshot shells i have with no firearm to shoot them out of... hence i want a solid quality piece that will fit any possible scenario, not just for me but maybe even someone else who might inherit it from me...so it could possibly be called upon to run 20k-30k rounds through it eventually... i think that cold hammer forged barrel is what's needed in such a scenario... a forged upper/lower too... i've done a lot of online 'armchair' research and am still doing so..spoke with a couple of experienced people who were downrange in the sand on multiple tours....i do hear great things about mm, they are on my short list of 'o/f' alternatives...however, i still feel that an lwrc firearm has most of what i'm looking for in comparison... i might be wrong but i have to goo wih my intuition, failing to secure a nj legal tavor i think i will go with that oscar foxtrot... but i do very much appreciate your input...