Babyface Finster

M&P 9C

How often to you shoot and how much ammo do you go through? You can enjoy many calibers, but don't necessarily have to stockpile thousands of rounds of each. If you want a .357 mag revolver (trust me, you do) get it and buy ammo as you go. I've made a conscious choice to avoid .40 because I just don't particularly like shooting it. Otherwise, I don't restrict myself. I'm lucky if I get an hour at the range every couple months right now. I'm only going through a few hundred rounds total each time. It's not too hard to keep that much on the shelf.

Don't be so sure you will not shoot it much. I would suggest trying a few out. You can shoot my 4" GP100 at RTSP sometime if you want. You may find that it is a better decision to get the gun you like even if it blows the budget a little. I'm done buying compromise guns.

When will you ever have 100% certainty? There have been numerous convictions overturned due to DNA evidence. Was there not 100% certainty prior to DNA technology? What will be the next technology that exonerates those convicted for whom DNA provided 100% certainty of guilt? Hell, even confessions have been proven unreliable. There will never be 100% certainty. Period. Doubt will always exist. That's why the standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt."

Evil? Man, you are really out there. I am free to fire up my mower at 9AM on a Sunday but I don't do it because I am something that seems to elude many people in this state: considerate. Is it too much to ask people to do the same in regard the already limited local firearms resources? Freedom and liberty are not mutually exclusive to decency, fair play and respect. I voluntarily act like a decent, considerate person to the people I encounter in life. I guess you'll argue with that too...

Jeez, you're really stretching to find some situation that proves me wrong. If you were waiting for a lane, you are buying something from them. Get it? If you bought a gun from them you are a customer who supports their business? Don't you see that? How do you suppose I think you wasted his time if you bought a gun from them? Are you really that obtuse or is playing devil's advocate a hobby for you? If you agree with my original post, why are you trying to hard to turn it in to an argument?

I've been at RTSP waiting over 30 minutes for a lane and seen people still handling guns when I got my lane. Remember, they can't just let you hold the gun and walk away to do something else. I believe that LGS prices DO reflect the cost of doing business. The problem is that some buyers refuse to accept that it costs more to offer local stock, a range, knowledgeable employees to answer questions, etc. Fine by me if they don't see value in these things as long as they don't take advantage of them to help facilitate a predetermined sale from someone who does not offer these things. Where did anyone say that local gun shops are complaining to their customer's about the time they spend? Of course it is up to them to end engagement with a wheel spinner, but of course they will then be called dicks and rude and other such comments. The fact that someone seeks these services locally when planning to buy online shows that he see value in the extras. He simply wants them for free. No one needs customers like that. See, they're not actually customers if they don't buy from you. They are prospects. Qualified prospects (those with the ability and intention to buy) are worth pursuing. The rest will put you out of business if you're not careful. Now you're comparing employees of Wal-Mart and Staples to gun shop employees? When was the last time you had to spend 15+ minutes asking a Wal-Mart employee about anything? What expertise did they have to share with you? Who said these guys get upset? The thread is about "ridiculous" prices in NJ gun shops. If you see a computer from Tiger Direct and go to Staples to ask questions knowing you won't buy it there...well I suppose you know what I think about that. Look, do what you want. If you think it is OK to waste the time and resources of a local businessman when you have no intention to buy from him, go for it. Just don't be surprised when the local resources start to disappear over time or the price goes up ever further. I don't think there's a lot more to say om the subject. Blacksmythe: I hope you will give other gun shops in NJ a chance. There are some great places here and they are well worth the reasonable premium they charge.

Ain't that the truth. Anyone who doubts it should watch the original footage of Roland Freisler at the Valkyrie trials.

My feelings as well. There are far too many examples of overzealous prosecution, dishonest/unreliable witnesses, faulty science, etc. to take such an irreversible action.

So I suppose that you can't see the price on the gun before you spend 40 minutes handling the gun and asking q thousand questions? I never said that shops should be rude or impatient. I said that people who intend to buy online, use the local shop to become educated and refuse to allow a reasonable price premium over internet sources are parasites. I stand behind that. BTW, I've been in sales for over 2 decades. When the customer uses my resources with no intention to award me a sale I have earned, I am done with them. I have a list of customers who can no longer get free proposals and engineering from me because they have used my work in the past to allow them to buy from someone cheaper who does not offer value added services. It's not rejection when the customer walks into the door already knowing he won't buy there. It's stealing. Just like if you take sugar packets from Dunkin Donuts to put in your Starbucks coffee.

...or another customer who is actually there to buy something.

Oh boy, here we go about rights... How about being an honorable person? These local businesses offer services and convenience that online retailers cannot. That's reflected in the price. It doesn't make them crooks or rip-off artists. They have overhead and would probably like to make a little profit as well. I don't begrudge them that. Anyone who plans to buy from gunbroker, Bud's, Grab-A-Gun, etc. and uses their local gun shop to get educated and fondle the gun is a parasite. Same goes for someone who goes to the local independent shoe store to try on something then orders it from Zappos because it's cheaper. A smart consumer considers overall value, not just the purchase price. If you NEED the services the local store provides you should be willing to pay for them to ensure that they will be available in the future when you need them again. The specific case that Blacksmythe mentions does sound excessive. To color all gun shops as crooks because of this one instance is inappropriate. I've heard people complain about paying an extra $40 at a LGS vs. online. If that $40 is that important to someone, I respect that. Just don't eat up the LGS's time and resources when you know you're not going to buy it there. If that's not you, then I'll refer you to the last sentence in my original post.

Going to place an order for some 1911 mags and would love to save the shipping. Anyone have a free shipping (or other) code they could PM me? Thanks.

I have no problem with consumers wanting to buy online and save avey last penny. Just so long as you don't go to your local gun shop to ask questions and fondle the thing. If half the lookie-Lous I have seen tying up local gun store resources actually bought the guns they were dicking around with, the gun shops would be able to buy at the same levels as Bud's. You know who you are...

Thanks. I have them coming by tomorrow for an estimate.

PM sent.

Must be something wrong with my eyes. That does not look anything like an INOX to me.

Thanks, OG but I need to replace the gutters, not clean them.

I never got around to this, but now I need to get these things replaced. Anyone do gutters in my area or have a recommendation?

Mine is also 3/30. 3/30/2015!

There's something about the 24/7 that I really like. I'll own one at some point in .45 ACP.

There is no justifiable reason for you to be denied, but let's not forget the circumstances of your arrest. Things happen in this state that have no justification. Especially when it comes to firearms. I don't know if an arrest only is handled differently, but you can easily expunge a conviction by yourself for less than $200. It will take a while, but if you follow the I suction s to the letter, it is pretty much a formality. If it were me, I would delay the handgun purchase and get ths record taken care of. As much as I am appalled by the sue-happy attitudes in NJ, in this case I think it would be justified. If for no other reason than to drive the point home to the Cherry Hill PD that they need to know the laws and can't just run around violating the citizens' rights due to ignorance and over zealousness. More than one tit should be in a wringer over this. Good luck.

Were you arrested in the same town you are applying in?

Considering that retailers are selling every round they can get their hands on, it sounds like the market has spoken.

I recently had minor surgery done and have been tending to my wound. I am surprised by how quickly I am going through certain supplies. Gauze sponges and tape in particular. Since my incision was closed properly, by a doctor in sterile conditions and blood vessels were cauterized, the bleeding has been minimal. Still, I am cleaning and changing the dressing numerous times a day to reduce chances of infection. I can imagine how much more frequently I would have to do this if the wound was from an accident around the house and I had to deal with real bleeding and trying to keep it closed. I had two boxes of gauze pads and I am almost out. 2 rolls of tape are gone and I am on my third. I am only 6 days into this and have at least another week to go before I am comfortable going without dressing. In the case of a Katrina-like disaster when injuries are likely to be more serious and medical attention may be unavailable, I'm not so sure how I would fare. An infection under those circumstances is not only more likely, it is many times more life threatening. So, I thought I had over-bought these supplies and now it seems I need to rethink my plan. I wonder how many people have nothing or just a basic pre-packaged kit they got at Target. If this is you, think again. I'm planning to triple what I thought was an ample supply. Turns out it is the bare minimum. If I had more than one injury or someone else in the family was also injured, we would be in dire straits if we couldn't run out to Walgreens at the drop of a hat. These supplies could also make for excellent barter items if things got that bad. It's much easier to improvise food and water than it is sterile medical supplies or clotting agents.