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I agree. There may be opportunities to focus on common ground, without emphasis on obvious differences. On such a bloated bill, he just wants a chance to wet his beak.

Hold off on that thank you note. It was Cryan. The guy who wanted to reduce magazine capacity to 5 (A3664). Apparently the only person he hates more than legal gun owners is Senator Sweeney.

Nj.com's summary. Http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/06/sweeneys_gun_bill_stalls_in_co.html#incart_river_default

They came back from recess and announced the committee will not be releasing the bill today. They will review language and amendments with sponsor Senator Sweeney. Hopefully sanity will prevail.

Anyone attending the Assembly Law and Public Safety meeting today? I am listening to live stream and find it difficult to follow by audio. They just took a vote on amending and releasing, but didn't announce results of vote, and moved to recess for clarification of committee rules?

Passed 23 to 17. Basically party lines.

Fiscal Estimate for S2723 was released. Few details. Cost for 1 section alone runs into millions. Many other sections are simply 'significant costs'. In other words, 10s of millions in upfront costs and 10s of millions in recurring costs.

There are many, including gun owners, that don't differentiate between right and privilege. Just because someone owns a gun doesn't make them ideological of philosophical.

FFL, FBI or NJSP do not have duty to advise you of your rights under the law, except to Mirandize you. Every FID issued less than 5 years old falls under paragraph (3) of 922(t). If S2723 goes in effect, every embedded FID is less than 5 years old. http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/44/922 (3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to a firearm transfer between a licensee and another person if - (A)(i) such other person has presented to the licensee a permit that - (I) allows such other person to possess or acquire a firearm; and (II) was issued not more than 5 years earlier by the State in which the transfer is to take place; and (ii) the law of the State provides that such a permit is to be issued only after an authorized government official has verified that the information available to such official does not indicate that possession of a firearm by such other person would be in violation of law;

Writing laws mandating out-of-state dealers to log such a transaction would be unconstitutional. Commerce Clause of the Constitution gives Congress power to regulate Interstate Commerce. "No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any imposts or duties on imports or exports." I see sections 15 and 16 requires Superintendent to build the program. I don't see anything in there that requires anyone to use it, especially anyone from out-of-state. Doing so will get the law thrown out pretty quick. But I agree: the problem sections of 15 and 16 is not the expensive useless website, is producing an embedded firearm id that noone can affirm.

So I am looking at the new text for S2467 which they sent back to committee. The one that prohibits investments in companies that sell guns to civilians. 5/9 Budget and Appropriation, NJ2AS told them if they the bill prevents them from investing in like Walmart and Cabelas. So they amended "importers and sellers" out. 5/13 Bill sponsor Gill. who wasn't there at the Appropriations meeting, pulled the bill back into second reading, and stuck the words "importer and sellers" back in. Under NY Safe, and Feinstein's AWB, my Ruger 10/22 is an "assault weapon." Dicks also sell a few Remington 870s that are "assault weapons" under those definitions. Just glad my money isn't managed by NJ Division of Investment. Dumb dumb dumb

Oye! NullPointerException! The amended text for S2723 has been published. Section 15 and 16 sticks the word "Internet," which basically make the two sections even more ridiculous. The section mandates (unfunded) the superintendent to build a program for electronic reporting by dealers (website?!?) of "Internet sales" of handgun, rifle and shotgun ammo. When you put up a website, you have to allocate the hardware, build the software, configure the architecture, setup the database. You have to run maintenance, periodic ethical hacks, operational support, patches. It's millions of dollars of people, software and hardware. How much ammo do NJ dealers sell over the Internet?... Unless if MidwayUSA decides to relocate from Misery.. uh.. Missouri, to New Jersey, probably an aggregate of a few thousands of dollars worth? What the hell is wrong with these people?!?

Off topic - I buy the lactose digestion drops from Amazon. Just set a quart aside 48 hours before I want cereal. Back on topic - I am pretty sure Sweeney doesn't expect Christie to sign his bill, just on principle that Christie likes cutting spending. They are just setting up an issue hoping BB doesn't get crushed too badly.

I thought post surgery they have to maintain a really strict diet or else they could poop their pants like Al. I don't know if it is related but some folks can't digest fat, like I can't digest lactose (milk). Bad things happen when I drink a tall glass of moo juice.

He can probably sign a bunch of bills like NICS and anti trafficking, veto new ID, and still come out smelling like a rose. Barbara Buono is no friend.

If I understand correctly, line item veto only applies to appropriations bills. So long as Sweeney keeps the bill as unfunded mandates, and fund it later as part of DMV or NJSP budgets, line item veto powers do not attach. Right how each municipality had a detective that runs the background checks. Municipal PDs are paid by property tax, I believe. By requiring renewal every 4 years, Sweeney is raising costs for municipal PDs, but he won't need to budget for them.

Oh and someone asked this earlier, perhaps on a different thread. No Sweeney and Weinberg do not have 2/3rds majority, 27 in Senate and 54 in Assembly, to override a veto. And if Christie line item vetos, each body will need to separately vote to overturn each word or line item vetoed.

For example, take the current S2723 bill Keep the photo id requirement. Knock out 3d and 8e that says the card can be remotely disabled or track 1 gun a month. Knock out 10d that requires reapplication every 4 years. Knock out 11-15. Knock out most of 16. Knock out the FFL provisions of 21 Knock out all mention of 'operationally disabled' Sign the bill and pass it. Then he can say he passed NJ legislature's tough new gun laws, but cut out all the useless provisions and saved taxpayers millions of dollars. We get a new photo id, and effectively retired the useless 90 day P2P.

Christie has more options than veto. He can line item veto. He can't add words, but he can remove words. For example he could remove the training requirement or Id requirement for rifle ammo. Or he could keep the training requirement, but remove the language about setting course content, and leaving the part about NRA course. Because of Christie, NJ legislature is much more careful about their language. He line item vetoed a couple of 'not' words, kept the sentence, and reversed legislative intent.

Half way through that last post I felt like Morpheus describing The Matrix.

I didn't see anything very controversial in what was passed today. 6 bills passed by near unanimous support. Car impounding, NICS records, Media Violence, Anti-trafficking, School task Force, Air gun to 3rd degree. The controversial stuff were reported back to 2nd reading. Terrorist watch list Embedded Firearm ID 50 cal ban.

I see what you mean. But were that true, the laws and regulations would state: 922(t) (ii) 3 business days (meaning a day on which State offices are open) have elapsed since the FBI NICS received the request" CFR 25.2 "three business days have elapsed since theFBI NICS received the request" But the laws and regulations does not say that. It says: 922(t) (ii) 3 business days (meaning a day on which State offices are open) have elapsed since the licensee contacted the system," CFR 25.2 "three business days have elapsed since theFFL provided to the system" What is "the system"? Is the system FBI NICS? Or is the system the whole NICS network? "The system" was defined by Brady Bill in 1993. The Brady Bill directed the Attorney General to build "The System". In 1998, AG kicked if off, and we've been using it for 15 years. "POC" wasn't a concept in original Brady Bill. It was part of what FBI and AG built. They took the Brady Bill language for 922(t) language and wrote CFR 25 Subpart A, NICS, which also defines POC. POC is part of "The System." (1) http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/poc

I think we should all get our FID/P2P applications. And if this bill gets passed, and Chris Christie signs it. On that week, we should all go into our Municipalities and submit the paperwork. And say we need to apply to get a P2P so we can buy handgun ammo. Considering they are going to be running 250,000 background checks renewing FIDs per year, on top of existing volume, they should have no problem processing the initial P2P works.

They won't put out the new ID right away. It could be 2 years (25 months per section 3) before anyone sees the new embedded ID. Until then, all they have is the current paper system. Paper FID, paper P2P.

Did anyone keep their copy of the used permit?