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Your hairdresser and your FFL know for sure, lol! ~R

The winner has contacted me and was given the PO Box to mail the funds to. Thanks again @Golf battery @10X and @Bklynracer for this FANTASTIC effort to support NJ's busiest 2A organization! Bless all of you! Rosey

I've been putting this off and need to go do it. I've gowned-up photographed eye surgery in a hospital OR and I'd never do it, but I'm willing to learn more. We all age. In my younger days I could see the target at 100 yards. Now, with type 2 diabetes some days are better than others. Been an eyeglass wearer since grade school. My first pair gave me 20/15 vision and I could see blades of grass. Not no more, lol! Following! Rosey

Lots to think about here, and great points brought up by all. Thanks to @Mr.Stu for the latest info! Reloading components such as powder and primers are considered hazmat items and as such are exempted items for moving companies. Bullet heads that are hollow points are still evil (according to NJ). I know friends that have secured them in their original boxes in totes and stacked them in either the moving van or their personal vehicles. I also have friends that have shipped them to themselves at the new address since UPS doesn't care so long as no "machined parts" with serial numbers or finished ammo (the old ORM-D placard) are involved. New Jersey has a sordid history of not observing FOPA. Just ask the out-of-state guy who was both dog-ass tired from driving and stupid enough to fall asleep in a bank's parking lot with --OMG! --unregistered long guns in cases in a hatchback that were visible with a mere flashlight! He is doing or did TIME in PRISON! Because he didn't cover the rifle cases with a blanket! My advice is since movers charge BY THE POUND on their invoice after the truck is weighed, I'd just ship the heads to a friend or relative close to the new address OR consider shipping to a friendly FFL that you'll be glad to spend money with once you settle in. Heads in Free America aren't considered ANYTHING 'cept private property, so no transfer BS to worry about. If you never show-up to his / her place of bidness, he / she can sell them! It's a total win-win! Some folks would make up the ammo and use it before moving.. Some folks would make up the ammo and barter among friends for stuff they needed prior to the move.. Some folks wouldn't ask any questions---they'd just STFU and do what they're gonna do... Some folks think that black helicopters are already following them. Those people need to take some "Grow-A-Cet" , lol. One more thing: Remember Brian Aitken had to be pardoned by NJ Governor Chris Christy because although the mag charge "went away" since the cops never tested the 30-round mags to see if in fact they would fire round #16, THE HOLLOW POINT CHARGES STUCK! Rosey

Dietrich's in Krumsville, PA, Exit 40 off Rt. 78. Made IN THE STORE! https://dietrichsmeats.com/ Here's the scrapple pic: https://dietrichsmeats.com/smokedmeats4.html Dixon's Muzzleloading shop and Pinnacle Ridge Winery at the same exit, and just 11 miles due east of Cabela's, Cigars International. Russel Stover, etc., etc.! Rosey

LAST CHANCE THIS SEASON TO HOG HUNT WITH CNJFO! SUN. APRIL 23, 2023 REG IS NOW OPEN! HURRY B4 THEY GO! We're ALMOST HALF SOLD-OUT! You didn't go on February 5th--two weeks ago. You didn't JUMP on the Sunday April 16th sign-up in time, so others beat you to it (we sold it out in two days!). NOW IS YOUR CHANCE--your LAST CHANCE THIS YEAR--to HARVEST BACON with New Jersey's busiest Second Amendment organization! OPEN TO THE PUBLIC! Don't bring your rifle to the grocery store--the Karen's will FAINT! Come hunt on the island with NJ's busiest 2A organization! Will there be a chocolate Glock in the raffle?? To register and pay please visit: https://www.cnjfo.com/event-5176951

@W2MC and @Bklynracer Thank you both for all you do for our 2A struggle here in the Communist People's Republic of New Jerseystan! Rudy is quite a character. Many don't know this: On 9-11 the Mayor used his Leica SLR from an NYPD chopper to photograph ground zero. ~R

BUMP! We're 3/4 OF THE WAY SOLD-OUT! IN 24 HOURS! JUST 7 SPOTS LEFT TO SELL! ~R

CNJFO MARCH 4TH PHEASANT HUNT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC! FOLD PHEASANTS WITH US AND GROW OUR 2A WAR CHEST! by Dave "Rosey" Rosenthal Black Wire Media Wed. Jan. 11, 2023 The Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners (CNJFO) proudly announces REGISTRATION IS NOW OPEN for our annual Pheasant Hunt Fundraiser at Giberson Farms Wildlife Preserve in Pemberton Twp., NJ on Saturday March 4, 2023! Registration for both half-day morning and afternoon sessions (YOU DECIDE) is OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. All three Giberson Farms fields with be utilized with a 5-person hunting party, professional guide and bird dog. You must be a licensed hunter--OR--be an Apprentice Hunter that we'll gladly mentor. All NJF&W and Giberson rules apply. No shot larger than #6. To sign-up for either a morning OR afternoon half-day Hunt and pay in full please visit: https://www.cnjfo.com/event-5114904 Our winning format includes all hunters sharing the harvest, a professional guide and bird dog assigned to every 5-person hunting party, and all the camaraderie and memories to enjoy! Bird cleaning is extra, and our guides need tipped so BRING CASH! Raffles for sponsor's donated prizes and a 50-50 will be held during lunch so that everyone that attends will be able to partake! CNJFO memberships and swag will also be available! Sponsors are welcome to attend and display their wares, as table space is abundant. Hunters that wish to donate raffle prizes may do so. Included with your registration is coffee, tea and donuts, and a hot dog lunch with all the fixin's courtesy of Giberson Farms. We'll also have Rosey's famous Hog Hunt Pork Roast w/ veggies & potatoes in a crockpot. Folding pheasants is FUN and you get to bring home a meal as well as great memories of fellow Second Amendment supporters. As the states' busiest Second Amendment organization, the Coalition proudly supports historian Jay Factor and his efforts to DEFEAT TYRANNY in the Garden State! CNJFO has been a party to and is currently involved in suing the State of New Jersey for relief of UNCONSTITUTIONAL law forced upon all gun owners. Proceeds from this event are earmarked both for that purpose and our general operating expenses. We hereby thank everyone for their gracious support! As of this writing we're already half sold-out---in less than a day---so don't dawdle if you want to go! Can't make the Fundraiser but want to help? Please consider JOINING or DONATING: https://www.cnjfo.com/join-us https://www.cnjfo.com/Donate #CNJFO #2AHeavyLifters #2a #2amendment #takeakidhunting #2AShallNotBeInfringed #pheasanthunting #pheasantsforever

I've been sworn to secrecy in terms of releasing the particulars UNTIL the suit is filed--but I can say this: Attorney David Jensen (Jay Factor's and Mark Cheeseman's lawyer of record) already has a suit waiting to be filed before the ink is dry at the Bill signing "ceremony" Gov. Snaggletooth is sure to hold...and CNJFO along with others are the Plaintiffs. Can't be any more "at the forefront" than THAT! Rosey

FROM BLACK WIRE MEDIA, CNJFO'S FACEBOOK PAGE NEWS! COME MEET CNJFO'S DAVID "ROSEY" ROSENTHAL AT THIS EVENT! EXTEND YOUR MEMBERSHIP! UPGRADE TO LIFE! VOLUNTEER! by Black Wire Media Mon. Dec. 12, 2022 www.cnjfo.com/join-us Come shake hands with outspoken Second Amendment advocate Assemblyman Brian Bergen. Thank him for everything he's doing to protect your right to carry and protect yourself and your family. This is a FREE Meet & Greet! Bring a Peanut Butter & Jelly sammich in a ziplock bag and take a group photo we can publish on this #2AHeavyLifters page! Chunky or smooth, it's all good! Buy some CNJFO swag! Donate to the Jay Factor Lawsuit Fund! See you Wednesday evening! JAY FACTOR WILL BE THERE! RALLY THE TROOPS! Rosey

Sorry I missed this, looked like tons of fun. With family in Pennsy all last weekend! Catch you folks at the next one! ---Rosey

Go back a few posts and check the context. Probably towards the end of the previous page? You'll get it then! ~R

How dare I get a root canal and 6 hours sleep without reporting here to everyone! Patriots that are "So-Called" showed up FOR YOU yesterday. NO, we don't show our cards to let everyone know which shoe drops first. Stop being the same petulant child that needs a spanking the likes of which our opposition got yesterday. We're all volunteers. We have lives too. CNJFO sent an email blast, so did you get it? No? Maybe it's time to JOIN or at least sign-up for FREE EMAILS?? You're welcome! ~R

@Lucky Lefty I'm a member of both organizations. I'm the CNJFO Vice President and a fellow Board member with @Krdshrk. Asking which one to join is almost like asking to pick which child to throw into the volcano, lol. Both organizations have a niche. CNJFO supports firearms education in a BIG way. Tonight Krdshrk and I will be at the Union Hill Gun Club on Union Hill Road in Monroe Twp., NJ to instruct new shooters from all walks of life how to safely handle and shoot pistols and rifles at Tony Simon's "The 2nd is for Everyone: Diversity Shoot". A commitment which dates back to almost the beginning of Simon's efforts about 7-8 years ago. Tony's website needs a bit of updating, but you can tell he's the real deal: https://www.DiversityShoot.com . CNJFO ran a sold-out Youth Educational Program last Saturday (also at Union Hill GC). CNJFO supports The DC Project - Women for gun rights, a national group of women firearm owners that goes to Washington, DC and pounds on doors to let Legislators know that bad gun laws hurt legal gun owners by restricting gun rights and the bad guys don't follow gun laws EVER. CNJFO partners with several state and national organizations to provide both a voice and funding for ongoing lawsuits. We're currently running a "Matching Funds" Campaign for Jay Factor's case as Krdshrk mentioned. That's just the tip of the iceberg! ANJRPC's niche is more on the legal / lawsuit side of things in addition to running the Cherry Ridge Range in Highland Lakes, NJ. ANJRPC members get to call lawyers on retainer to ask questions and get answers. They have a paid staffer that attends every gun hearing in Trenton. They publish "News & Briefs" 6x a year, and one copy gets mailed to you every two months with your membership. CNJFO is proud to partner with ANJRPC as a "Member Club", and we advertise in News & Briefs. ANJRPC was the beneficiary of CNJFO's very first "Matching Funds" Campaign to raise legal expense monies for their Rogers lawsuit. $5,500 was donated (see photo). As @DirtyDigz said, you really should be a member of both great organizations. Not everyone is on Facebook, but if you are (or know someone who is), check us out at https://www.facebook.com/cnjfo Dave "Rosey" Rosenthal, VP https://www.cnjfo.com/join-us

All you're going to get is CRICKETS for an answer.... Nobody is going to do an evaluation and risk their name on a one-shot deal. DWYAT and you'll be pleased. ~R

Check out Dixon Muzzleloading Shop in Kempton, PA. Tell them Rosey sent you! ~R

Dick Heller texted me this late last night. Been so busy with NJ gun laws BS I haven't had a chance to read it. Guess I better get on it. Yes, we chat often. He's working on a book and asked for some help. Rosey

Jay Factor's CNJFO Matching Funds Campaign: https://www.cnjfo.com/page-18138 To sign-up as a MEMBER OF CNJFO: https://www.cnjfo.com/join-us THANKS ALL! ROSEY

@samiam If you haven't been completely pissed-off by yours truly (dry humor--take no offense!), here's a speech I gave about three years ago to a great group of South Jersey Patriots attending a NJ Constitutional Republicans meeting pre-'Rona. Mark Cheeseman, Jay Factor, Sen. Mike Testa (before he became Senator!), and my good friend Theresa Inacker all spoke.

@samiam First let me say a hearty "WELCOME TO THE FIGHT"! I didn't mean to ruffle feathers, so I apologize if I did. VCDL is a great organization and several CNJFO members supported the protest in Richmond, VA by being there (took the Metroliner from Jersey) conducting interviews, writing news stories and covering the event with both stills and videos. We (myself personally AND the Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners--CNJFO) have made friends with several of their high ranking members and others known throughout Virginia as 2A leaders. Jill S. McDaniel of Mom At Arms, LLC and the Virginia State Director of The DC Project--Women for Gun Rights knows us and is a Facebook friend that shares our views and commitment to the cause. CNJFO strongly supports The DC Project, and will be sponsoring most of the catering expense at their next NJ Fundraiser on Saturday Oct. 22nd in Mays Landing, NJ. These powerful women get appointments with legislators both here in NJ and at their DC offices, and give heart-wrenching evidence describing how their lives were changed by violence and HOW they wish to defend themselves and their families with firearms. They get into places that old fat white guys like me aren't welcome. And they do us all a great service by doing so. Several of their national and regional officers are Facebook friends and we share each others' content. CNJFO attends the Executive Board meetings of ANJRPC, our NJ state NRA Affiliate (pre-covid before the 'Rona) and has donated over $5K to their Rogers lawsuit. Then we did a "Matching Funds" Campaign for over 11 grand to the Cheeseman-Jillard lawsuit (case #19-27) that paid for an amicus brief for SCOTUS. We're an all-volunteer 501(c)3 organization (both NJ & federal) with bylaws and a dissolution amendment. I or @Krdshrk can put you in touch with our Treasurer for any documentation you desire. With the Bruen case causing a "massive disruption in The Force" (think Star Wars), sometimes I spend an 18 hour day doing 2A work as a volunteer. As such, I rarely get on this forum long enough to type as much as I did the other day (or now). Last night Krdshrk, I and 2 other CNJFO members trained Newbies at Tony Simon's, "The 2nd is for Everyone: Diversity Shoot" held at Recoil-NJ in Monroe Twp., NJ. Rest assured your membership, your time, talent and treasure mean a lot to us fighting for all gun owners in NJ! I can make myself available for a phone call to quell any fears. Here's some pix of stuff we've done: Let me know if I can be of any help to you in your decision on who (what group(s) you support. Thanks for your time! Sincerely, Rosey

Why wait to join 2A organizations? They're already working on your behalf---and everyone else's here---to rid all unconstitutionality for the process of buying, transporting and CARRYING firearms! My social media is public. As the Editor in-Chief for Black Wire Media---CNJFO's Facebook page---my life and thoughts are an open book! Several members here are members of the Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners (CNJFO). Everybody here SHOULD BE! Here's where to JOIN: https://www.cnjfo.com/join-us As just one example, CNJFO is currently running a "Matching Funds" Campaign for Jay Factor's lawsuit. Here's the story: CNJFO LAUNCHES MATCHING FUNDS CAMPAIGN FOR FACTOR! SUIT SEEKS FARS SYSTEM TO REPLACE JUDGES & CASE-BY-CASE! by Black Wire Media Wed. Aug. 17, 2022 www.cnjfo.com/join-us The Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners proudly announces a "Matching Funds" campaign to help PAY for the LAWSUIT that may end judicial control of applications to CARRY A HANDGUN in New Jersey! CNJFO's Board of Trustees voted yesterday to match up to FIVE THOUSAND dollars of public contributions for Historian Jay Factor's case # 087269! The special donation link is active, and all funds are earmarked for this case: https://www.cnjfo.com/page-18138 With your help, victory and further restoration of your gun rights will be achieved. Superior Court Judges will no longer have the ability to question applicants on an UNCONSTITUTIONAL CASE-BY-CASE basis post-Bruen SCOTUS decision of June 23, 2022. Judges will no longer be able to instruct their staff to DELAY applications, slow-walking them through a 50+ year old overburdened and antique RED-TAPE series of built-in DELAYS that currently require handgun carry permit holders to start the renewal process 6 MONTHS prior to the expiration of their permit! "The New York State Rifle Pistol Association v. Bruen case eliminated "Justifiable Need" in New Jersey, but that's all it did. The rest is up to US, and CNJFO, New Jersey's busiest Second Amendment organization is leading the way by putting hard-earned funds where its mouth is! Please JOIN THE FIGHT and CNJFO will match your donation up to the first 5K!" ---Jack Pyle, CNJFO Treasurer & founding Trustee SOME HISTORY FOR THOSE NEW TO THE FIGHT: CNJFO ran a Matching Funds campaign for the Rogers case, writing a check for five thousand dollars to our state NRA affiliate ANJRPC to help offset legal expenses. We did a second Matching Funds campaign for Mark Cheeseman's SCOTUS case #19-27, raising 11,000 dollars (see photo of check presentation). This is the Coalitions THIRD Matching Funds campaign, an unparalleled achievement for a statewide 2A organization! THE NITTY-GRITTY AS ONLY FACTOR CAN EXPLAIN IT: "With Rogers 18-824 and Cheeseman 19-27 not getting granted Certiorari at SCOTUS in 2019, New Jersey needed another carry case to attack the Siccardi Rule aka “urgent necessity.” IN THE MATTER OF DENIAL OF A PERMIT TO CARRY A HANDGUN FOR JAY FACTOR SUPREME COURT OF NEW JERSEY Docket No. 087269 was launched in October of 2020 to be that case. With the SCOTUS win in Bruen, “urgent necessity” is off the table. But the NJ Attorney General’s Directive isn't case law and therefore subject to whim. In Siccardi, the NJ Supreme Court explained that “the legislative designation of the judiciary as the issuing authority was unfortunate for it burdened the Justices with functions which were clearly nonjudicial in nature…” and that “the Justices might well have declined the designation as unduly interfering with the proper discharge of their judicial responsibilities.” Attorney David Jensen was the lawyer in Drake v. Filko, in the 3rd Circuit. Counsel for Mark Cheeseman in 19-27. And Jensen co-authored CNJFO’s amicus brief in Rogers. In FACTOR 087269, Jensen explains to the NJ Supreme Court that without “justifiable need,” there is nothing left for the Superior Court Judges to do. Judges can’t even consider “good moral character”. Jensen points out that Judges can only hold a hearing to waste another 30 days on top of an already oppressive 60-day investigation period. FACTOR 087269 allows “the judiciary” the opportunity “to decline the designation as the issuing authority,” and overturn Siccardi, Preis, and Wheeler, all at the same time. The later would provide infinitely more protection to Carry Permit Applicants than the Attorney General’s Directive. To the former, as the Siccardi Court prognosticated over fifty years ago, “in the event (of the judiciary declining), the Legislature would presumably have to revise the legislative scheme to provide for administrative issuance of permits,” which could be as simple as the FARS system now taking place with 2C:58-3a Permits to purchase a handgun and 2C:58-3b Firearms purchaser identification cards. At the very least, the removal of the judiciary from the carry permit process saves applicants 30 days on issuance of permits and abuse as we've already witnessed in several New jersey counties. It could very well spell the end of ““good moral character” and references because they too, are decided on a case-by-case basis." ---Jay Factor, Litigant & "Justifiable Need" victim (twice) #CNJFO #2AHeavyLifters #2A #2AShallNotBeInfringed #gun #firearmsinstructor #GunRightsAreWomensRights #gunrights #gunrightsarecivilrights #takeakidtotherange There's no reason to NOT be a member of New Jersey's busiest Second Amendment organization! To DONATE TO JAY'S LAWSUIT: https://www.cnjfo.com/page-18138 Thanks for your time and attention! Dave "Rosey" Rosenthal, VP Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners (CNJFO) https://www.cnjfo.com https://www.JustifiableNeed.com

@revenger I think it's a great idea once the NJ state AG forces reluctant CLEO's and Judges to do what the law says regarding carry permits. Right now the 2A groups---I can't speak for all of them---are concerned with a whole host of "whack-A-mole" situations, the most important of which is the failure of the NJSP to pull a new ID card--complete with thumbprint and color photo--out of their asses so NJ CLEO's can resume issuing yellow cards (NJFPID's). Right now some towns are all out of F**ks and issuing the old way, thereby actually breaking Murphy's new Gun Control 3.0 law. And I have people on the inside telling me NJSP is now approving first time applicants using the old system. This is a target-rich environment as far as letters to the AG, NJSP, Assignment Judges, etc. We could really use some help and would be glad if you rolled up your sleeves and picked your favorite issue to write about! Ideas don't have to come strictly from "2A Groups". ---Rosey Being "Well-Regulated" at the time of the founding of this Country:

VOLUNTEERS NEEDED TO TEACH KIDS THE WAYS OF THE GUN! KIDS NEEDED TO TEACH VOLUNTEERS HOW TO MENTOR! Help your community by BEING A MENTOR! Saturday September 24, 2022 at Union Hill Gun Club! Full details in story below! ---Rosey CNJFO YOUTH PROGRAM AT UNION HILL GUN CLUB 9-24-22! REGISTER NOW AS WE'RE HALF SOLD-OUT! JUST 12 SPOTS LEFT! by Eric Saperstein for Black Wire Media Tues. Aug. 9, 2022 Back by popular demand, the Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners once again brings firearms education to today's youth on Saturday September 24, 2022, at Union Hill Gun Club on Union Hill Road in Monroe Twp., NJ. The full day Youth Educational Program teaches the basics of marksmanship and SAFETY to kids ages 8-16 utilizing over (50) .22 LR caliber long guns and some pistols. Currently the program is already half sold-out, so please register promptly to reserve your son or daughter's participation. Everything is included, with eye and ear protection, a catered lunch, goodie bags, etc. We'll hold raffles for great prizes donated by our sponsors, so come prepared to have some great FUN & EDUCATION! Your registration per participant will be $59 and will include classroom time, range time, ammunition, access to firearms, targets, lunch, swag, and other supporting gear … AND a custom one-of-a-kind event t-shirt! For each registered youth CNJFO also provides lunch for their parent or guardian. An extra lunch is available for $15 per person if more than one parent comes with a participant. Doors will open at 1:30pm and we will plan to begin and run from 2pm – 6pm … instructors and support crew should report by 12:30pm and are encouraged to stay through the complete cleanup. The event registration page is here with more details: Register Kids: https://www.cnjfo.com/event-4890816 Register Volunteers: https://www.cnjfo.com/event-4890853 We run this event entirely on volunteers and donated time and support. If you want to come and help as an instructor, kid wrangler, lunch crew, cleanup, handle the swag and raffles, etc. … please sign up! We can always use photographers and videographers to help provide memories! We appreciate your help! All volunteers receive lunch and a shirt! New sponsors are welcome, and we encourage you to recommend any organization that can provide financial funding, and more importantly at this time cool SWAG for our kids to enjoy, and higher end items for our raffles and giveaways. Please find our Youth Educational Program flyer attached with details about our ongoing Youth Range Days and links to our sponsors. We are seeking support for twenty-five (25) participants. Donation Link: https://www.facebook.com/donate/553979153087522/ A CNJFO – Youth Range Day Fund Raiser is active! Please help support our ongoing programs. While we do request a per participant fee, this locks in a spot. Your donation helps cover lunch for the kids and volunteers, range expenses, prizes for the kids, etc. We are also building up funding to acquire more program firearms, setup in time for outdoor events, and hopefully expand into a statewide franchised model increasing our reach to including regular programs at ranges throughout the state. Host Range: Union Hill Gun Club! 8 Union Hill Rd, Monroe Twp, NJ 08831 Sponsors: Keystone Sporting Arms LLC, Henry Repeating Arms, ROC Training, Leupold & Stevens, Smith & Wesson Inc., Tandemkross, Gun Girls, Inc., Cheyenne Mountain Outfitters, Gun For Hire, LLC, Union Hill Gun Club, RTSP - Range, Firearms & Training, Radians, Legacy Indoor Range & Armory, Skip's Outdoors, Lehigh Valley Sporting Clays, Top Shot Chris Cheng, The 2nd is for Everyone, and the NRA - National Rifle Association of America. More sponsors are in the works! Thank you for all your ongoing support. Please reach out to me if you are interested in providing support for our efforts to ensure the next generation gets the opportunity to enjoy safe and family friendly range days, and to become immersed in our culture! Eric M. Saperstein Youth Committee Chair [email protected] 609-658-2955 WWW.CNJFO.COM

@High Exposure^^^The voice of reason, lol! If a small barreled gun is shot correctly---at FULL EXTENSION---so the sights are as far away from the face as possible, THEN I'm in agreement that snubby's and their Glock/Sig/Other equivalent can easily pass the Qual. Problem is most Newbies crowd their "cover" and bend their elbows when shooting, which results in a sight picture that SUCKS at 25 yards. There's simply too much "play" between front & rear sights, especially with manufacturer supplied dot sights. Many years ago at the OBR&PC PPC Match I'm the Match Director of, an "unknown-to-the-club Newbie" showed up with a tiny .357 Sig. He blasted away with full extension and scored over 500 x 600 on his first attempt. Flame was coming outta his muzzle. I asked him WHERE THE EFF he learned to shoot like that. Then he showed me his tin and ID from Homeland Security. Didn't mention @GRIZ but made me wonder in AWE! Not every Cop is a Barney Fiffe, some can actually SHOOT! My then 16-year-old son stood at my side at Monmouth Co. R&P Club and shot the 60 round COF of the RPO. One yard to 25 yards in steps, with administrative reloading. He used my S&W 586 and speed loaders. Shot a 57 x 60 and won a box of ammo from a W. Long Branch Cop that was the MD. It was his FIRST attempt at any handgun Qual. That was almost 17 years ago. I don't think you should have to qualify with a handgun to make use of a Constitutional Right, but PRACTICE is highly recommended. I also don't think you should write a letter to the editor using your 1st Amendment Right without having first brushed up on spelling, sentence structure and punctuation. No need to prove yer an idiot behind a keyboard OR a gun This B-27 is from a brand new COF that my league co-chair and I designed late last month for our July Match. I HOSED the target at 7 and 15 yards, not using the rear sight until 25 yards. The result was a 233 x 250. At 7 yards I did 5 shots in approx. 2.5 sec outta-the-leather with 5 seconds allotted. Similar hosings for the other short-yardage stages. I was trying to show our PPC "students" that the shorter times were (ARE) more than doable. @Mr.Stu easily shot a 246 or 248 (used 2 different guns). ---Rosey