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Since big tech companies are so great and doing a bang up job keeping us all free, maybe they can devise a 3D printer to print ammo.....they will tell us it's as good as anything produced by SPEER and not made in China..... sorry....just read the whole thread and became frustrated....

JimB1, there is only ONE reason for what Murphy is doing. Eradicate gun ownership in NJ, any which way he can, hook or crook.

I'm curious about what retired officers have been arrested and had this tested in court? HR218 indicates "notwithstanding any State or Local Laws". I've seen a couple of cases where NY and CA both lost their cases. I also read the infamous 'letter" from the NJSP where it stated you only need the state ID if you plan on working, but only need HR218 if you plan on carrying personally. The letter was retracted. I suspect NJ would NOT pursue a charge against a retired officer who has not complied with their permitting process. If they loose it would look bad for the State and set a rock solid precedent. Shown Here: Public Law No: 108-277 (07/22/2004) (This measure has not been amended since it was passed by the House on June 23, 2004. The summary of that version is repeated here.) Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 - Amends the Federal criminal code to authorize a qualified law enforcement officer carrying photographic governmental agency identification to carry a concealed firearm, notwithstanding any State or local law. Declares that this provision shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws of any State that: (1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or (2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park. Defines "qualified law enforcement officer" as: (1) a current governmental agency law enforcement officer who is authorized to carry a firearm, who is not the subject of disciplinary action, who meets agency standards which require the employee to regularly qualify in the use of a firearm, and who is not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating or hallucinatory drug or substance; and (2) a retired law enforcement officer who retired in good standing from public agency service, who was regularly employed as a law enforcement officer for at least 15 years, who has a nonforfeitable right to agency retirement benefits, who has met the State's standards for training and qualification for active law enforcement officers to carry firearms during the most recent 12-month period, and who is not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating or hallucinatory drug or substance.

Anyone know what a converted saiga .223 with long barrel and side mount rail would cost?

LEO do not need the CCW, they are covered under HR218, unless they plan on taking an armed SORA job, then they need the permit.

It's all fun!

I'm pretty certain you are correct!! Except not now.....it's 14 stinking degrees outside!!

I think my dad was more concerned about value of the firearm and wasn't looking at it like a family possession. It has become a family possession for me since my dad retired after 31 years (then passed away) and now I'm retiring. I'll never sell it regardless of how much it's worth so I was kinda leaning toward shooting it. I figured I would make sure that if I shoot it I'll take extra care of it (not that I abuse any my guns anyway). I guess it would take thousands of rounds to wear it out and I'm not likely ever shoot anything close to that much through it. Kinda like having a Sunday driving car?

It's looking like I'll have no issues missing something I've never done. My VP is ton's of fun. Range instructor loved it at last qualifications. Everyone shoots Glocks, which is great, but it's never been my cup of tea since they took my Glock 17 away and gave me a 22.

I'm an idiot!

I just looked. I didn't see anything on the outside. I went to a website about the history of the gun and the NJSP with no mention. I'd be surprised if the government spent an extra nickel for anything that wouldn't enhance the performance of the gun. I did see several warnings about using the right cleaning tools so as not to damage it. looks "fragile-lee". That's French for fragile.

where is that located? I'll look right now. And yes, it's brand new in the box. ouch! they are expensive and my wife approved of my VP9 as my new hand gun every 15 years!

I'm looking for some opinions on this gun. My father was a NJ Trooper. He retired back in 1988 and has since passed away back in 2013. When the State Police switched from their .38 to the 9mm Troopers were allowed to purchase their own P7's separate from the one issued to them. My father was by no means a gun guy, but he saw value in the gun so he bought one ($345). He kept it in the box with all of the original paperwork right down to his purchase permit and factory shot target. Before he passed away he gave me the gun. I've had it for a long time now, stored in my gun cabinet. When he gave it to me he made me promise not to shoot it. He said that would reduce the value of the gun. My father was thinking "re-sale value" where I'm a shooter. You can hang me by my fingernails and I would never sell this gun for major sentimental reasons. It literally hurts thinking about selling it. My father gave it to me, now it's my gun (I'm retiring from police work this year) and I will give it to my son. I was talking to some U.S. H & K rep's and told them the story. I asked if I should shoot it or not. They said it's a great shooting gun and that since I'm never going to sell it I should enjoy shooting it (but to take special care of it). My wife say's "no" I'd be going back on my word. I'm don't know if I should shoot it or not? My father didn't like guns and was only interested in value. The value to me if far, far more than any money could buy..... p.s. I just switched to a Heckler and Koch VP9SK from my 18 years with a Kahr P9 9mm.

That last sentence says "You'll shoot your eye out kid!"

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