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The bad guy stops being a threat when he stops theatening me. While i wouldn't walk up to him laying on the ground and shoot him in the head, if he is still moving in my direction or attempting to shoot at me I will continute to shoot until either a) He stops doing things that make me think he's trying to kill me. b) I run out of ammo.

While not technically in SJ, Firing Line in Philly seems pretty decent from the two times I have been there so far. Non-members $15 range fee, $15 rental, .22lr was $3.50/50 and 9mm was just under $20/50 tonight. Members $100/yr, unlimited range use. $10 rental, $10 guest, Tuesday night girlfriend/spouse/SO no range fee. The first time I went it was pretty empty, tonight there were a fair number of people there, but still 2 or 3 empty lanes when I got there, which quickly cleared out. They are right across the Walt Whitman, 1 exit north on I-95, 1 block west, 1.5 blocks south, so closer than many of the NJ ranges for people in Camden/Gloucester county.

I completely agree, but some people like them... To each their own.

Slightly off topic, but since an AR lower can be used to make an AR pistol, how would one go about buying an AR lower to make an AR pistol in NJ? Or am I misunderstanding things and an AR pistol has to be manufactured from the factory to be a pistol.

As I read it, a FID means you do not need to be under one of the expemptions to posses a long gun. If one does not have a FID, they must fall under one of the exemptions of 2C:39-6, in this case 2C:39-6f. If you don't have a FID, and you don't fall under one of the exemptions of 2C:39-6f, which requires firearms be transported directly to/from one authorized place to another authorized place, the possession of a long arm is illegal.

But you do need the FID to buy ammo for said pistol, so its kind of a moot point...

I never said that you can't use a lock, or even that using one was a bad idea. Simply that the law only requires a closed and fastened case. In an ideal world, it would never result in an arrest, or even questioning by an officer, since they should know the law. However, I acknowledge that police officers are human and can't possibly know every statute. If an officer is in a situation where s/he is not 100% sure than a person is in violation of a statute, they should not cite/arrest. Even if it does make it to the prosecutor, that is why the prosecutor's office has lawyers and paralegals. If the arrest report states a violation of 2C:39-6g, and the officer's narrative states that the weapon was found in a closed and fastened case, there is nothing for a judge to rule on. There is no need for a trial, there is no evidence to support a violation of 2C:39-6g. Also, if I recall correctly, NJ requires a grand jury to indict for a 2nd degree offense. There should be no indictment because there is no eveidence of a violation.

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. In this instance, the law is most certainly not ambiguous. Assuming intrastate transport, FOPA is irrelavent. The firearm must only be carried in a closed and fastened case, not a locked case, to satisfy the requirements to be transported in the passenger compartment of a vehicle. State police/AG interpretation is NOT law.

Regardless of the intent, injury is not defined. An injury is whatever a prosecutor can convince a judge and jury is an injury...

Don't wear just regular glasses. They are NOT designed to withstand any impact and can creat their own hazards. skip to 2:00 or so. Yes its a cheesy OSHA video, but its right. If it isn't Z87.1+ rated, I wont wear it. Z87.1+ means it can withstand a 1/4" stell ball at 150ft/s (for glasses, goggles and face shields are higher). A number of years ago I scratched my left cornea playing hockey. Fortunately it didn't effect my vision at all, but it is the single most painful thing I have ever experienced, and there is simply no way to avoid the pain. Eye open? Not too bad, until you blink, then you think someone just dragged a razor blade accross your eye. Eye closed? Feels like the cut is on fire.

What's wrong with the Libertarians? Maybe I'm jaded from living in NJ my whole life, but the government has given me little reason to trust it to uphold my rights. Quite frankly, I would be happy if they just left us alone and were as small as possible. Just my inner old man who lives in the woods with way too many guns talking...

I think the only way that places like Camden will ever get better is the address the cause of the problems, and, IMHO, the cause of the problems isn't drugs or guns or even poverty. The cause of the problems in these places is that for some reason kids there grow up thinking that the gang lifestyle is not only acceptable, but something to be glorified. They think so little of life that "disrespecting" someone is enough to get you killed. They're willing to kill over a few hundred/thousand dollars, willing to kill because you're in the "wrong" neighborhood. And even more disturbing as we've seen recently with the flash mobs, willing to kill or maim for "fun." Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not a sheep. I believe that if I were ever in a situation where I had to take a life in defense of my own or of another I would not hesitate. However, I simply cannot understand how one can be so eager to harm his brothers and sisters... Maybe it's because I grew up in a middle class family in suburban New Jersey, maybe it's because I grew up in a family with both parents and brothers and sisters who cared about me. Regardless of the reason, I don't understand how people can think the gang lifestyle is acceptable, and I don't think I ever will. While drugs, illegal gambling, prostitution, and the poverty found in Camden are certainly all factors that contribute to the violence, I don't believe that simply removing the poverty, legalizing drugs, gambling, and prostitution are going to fix it. The problem is that the people who commit these acts believe, for whatever reason, that they are acceptable behaviors. Violent cities won't be fixed in a day, or a year, or a decade. It will take generations to teach the kids that these behaviors are unacceptable, and frankly, I don't even know where to begin at that.

The problem is how long does it sit on the shelf? If they buy for 300 and sell for 450 and sell it in a week or two, thats not bad. If they buy for 300 and sell for 450 and sell in in 2-3 months, not so great any more.

While this is not a bad idea, the law does not specifically require it. Under the law, it would be perfectly legal to have an unloaded weapon (with ammo in the case/magazine, but not in the chamber and the magazine not in the weapon). Hell, you could have a handgun in a locked case between your knees if you want. As always, not legal advice.

Please dont give us Trenton, we already have Camden... As for the dirt/sand thing, sand is only really southeast NJ, most of Camden/Gloucester county is dirt.

And what did the criminal organizations do when Prohibition ended? It's not like they said "oh, theres no money in bootlegging now. I guess we'll go get jobs."

I would say the first part is definitely true. http://www.census.gov/geo/www/guidestloc/pdf/34_NewJersey.pdf Hudson/Essex/Union county have a whole lot more dark blue than anywhere else in the state.

The Posse Comitatus Act applies only if the Guard is activated and in federal service. If it is activate by the Governor it is not subject to federal restritctions as it is a state militia, not an army.

I know I'm a little late to the party here, but I would have to disagree. 2C:39-5b Prohibits possession of a handgun without a permit to carry. 2C:39-5c(1) Prohibits possession of long arms without a FPID. 2C:39-5c(2) Prohibits possession of a loaded long arm. 2C:39-5d Prohibits every other weapon without "manifestly approppriate lawful use" (whatever the hell that means - can I use a scary looking folding knife as a boxcutter or is it not "manifestly appropriate" since we have purposely designed boxcutters.) These four sections establish that ANY firearm, to include BB/pellet guns, are illegal, as well as anything else that can be construed as a weapon, unless there is a "manifestly appropriate use" for said weapon. 2C:39-6 Provides exemptions from 2C:39-5 2C:39-6e "Nothing in subsections b, c, and d of 2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent a person keeping or carrying about his place of business, residence, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, any firearm, or from carrying the same, in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section, from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, between one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair." 2C:39-6f Is the section that allows us to transport weapons. 2C:39-6g Says how weapons are to be transported. Therefore 2C:39-6e voids any provisions of 2C:39-5b, c, or d when a person is in their business (owned by them), in their house, or on land owned by them. It is legal to own and possess any firearm that is not specifically prohibited (anything falling under 2C:39-3) in your house or on your property without a FPID or PPP. Even if one needed to have a FPID or PPP to come into possession of the firearm, there would not be PC to ask for the documents as they are not required to possess the weapons in those circumstances. Note: None of the above is to be construed as legal advice. EDIT: Under 2C:39-6e I should be able to stand on my driveway in the middle of suburban South Jersey with a loaded handgun on my hip, a loaded rifle in my hands, and an NJ-legal knife in my pocket. Not that I think it's a good idea, but it would be legal.

I could walk to Camden if I really wanted too. If it's really that bad its time to light a fire under my butt for getting my FID/PPP... scheduled my fingerprinting about 10 minutes ago. I do find it hard to beleive that they would really deploy the Gaurd to Camden. No offense to the Guard, but military organizations involved in civilian policing generally does not end well.

Thanks for all the welcomes.

My name is David and I live near the Brookfield section of Cherry Hill. I haven't had much experience around guns aside from a handful of trips to the range, though I am headed Bob's on Tuesday with a buddy from work. My interests lie mainly with rifles, specifically the M-16/M-4/AR-15 family and its derivatives as well as WW1/2 weapons. If I can convince the other members of the house to let me have a rifle or two I will probably join either SJSC or Range 14 so I can get some much better rates on range time than going to Hague's, which is the only public rifle range I've found nearby.Before I can do that though I have to get my FID, which I am in the process of doing. Is it correct that the CHPD sends a questionnaire to your next of kin? If so that seems to be a clear violation of 2C:58-3f...