JeremyP

How does this prevent people driving out of state and buying ammo? How does this prevent buying ammo at a range and taking it home?

This happened to me shortly after I moved. Weird thing was that it wasn't fowarded mail. They actually sent the notice with my GA address on it. Replied that I no longer lived in the county never heard back.

How low are you trying to get your bill? Have you tried calling T-Mobile's Retentions dept and seeing if they can offer you a better deal/plan? Looking at their site you can get 6gb per line for $140 plus taxes/fees. If you go 2gb per line it looks to be about $100 plus taxes/fees. This route you can keep your current equipment, or upgrade whatever lines you want to. The thing with Sprint and possibly Metro is that they use a different network system CDMA vs T-Mobile's GSM making their devices incompatible. (This could have changed by now with everyone moving toward LTE.) But that's why you may need to purchase new devices. I'm currently on 4 lines 10gb each paying $140 a month after taxes/fees. It was a promo they offered some time last year. I'd start with retentions if I were you.

I don't know what the process would be like in NJ, or if it is legally allowed, but discuss with a lawyer the option of putting the guns into a gun trust. Talk to a firearms lawyer. Gun trusts are not the same as revocable living trusts. I know people with NFA items use gun trusts to allow others to possess their NFA stuff and the future hassle of getting it transferred to their successors once they die. I would imagine it would be agreeable to your uncle if you allowed him to keep the guns (minus the bolts and firing pins, etc.) and name you as a beneficiary, so should he pass, his wife wouldn't automatically inherit the guns. Although, if you get him to sign anything now, it could be argued he wasn't in the proper mental state and you took advantage. I am not a lawyer, but thought a gun trust seems like a good compromise (on top of neutering his firearms for the time being). He keeps his guns, you get them if things take a turn for the worse.

My mom called me yesterday and asked if I heard the news. After 43 years... Mercedes-Benz is latest to leave NJ, moving from Montvale to Atlanta. Looks like it's not just people leaving the Garten State. I feel bad for those that are going to be left behind with out a job. I'm glad businesses are coming into the Peach State.

Not only that. I look through the forums and see posts similar to: "How long is the wait for ?" "Only 6 weeks for permits in !" Once you move to a free state, forget the long waits for FPIDs and permits. Forget OGAM. Forget the hoops and illegal extra forms. Perhaps my previous post was overlooked. 9 DAYS FOR A CARRY LICENSE IN GEORGIA! No justifiable need necessary. As a bonus, they waive NICS with your carry license. As an extra bonus, NFA items are no longer off limits. Freedom is the greatest thing I have ever tasted.

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NRA News Cam & Co has a Deal and Hero of the day just about every episode. Hero of the day highlights a story about defensive firearm use. Deal of the day highlights the usual story of a criminal being on parole, probation, or having plea bargained his way out of prison going on to commit more violent crimes. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

Left NJ 3 weeks ago and moved to GA. Already have my CCW, took 9 days.

These are the same people that say a magazine change allows for enough time to tackle an active shooter. Yes, they are stupid.

Funny thing is even with the inflated number the percentage is such a ridiculously low number.

It's not 100% wrong, more like 99.995% wrong. According to this 2011 report from the Government Accountability Office, NJ has 32k active permits (both resident and non-resident), out of an adult population (age 20 and over) of 6.5 million (2010 census). So roughly 0.005% of the people in NJ can legally carry concealed.

English must not be their forte. As we all know: There shall be no conditions or requirements added to the form or content of the application, or required by the licensing authority for the issuance of a permit or identification card, other than those that are specifically set forth in this chapter. Yet "Jersey City has the most thorough gun permit application in the state and we think this is important to make sure guns don’t get into the wrong hands," -Mayor Steve Fulop said in a statement from his spokeswoman.

Yup. You'd figure waiting 2 years for FID and permits I'd have an idea of what my first firearm would be, still have no idea. You're welcome.

Attached. 197319250-Jeremy-Perez-vs-Patterson-NJ-for-a-Firearms-Purchaser-Identification-Card.pdf

I appreciate the offer. Had anyone asked at the time I started, I would have gladly accepted the financial help. I used what little I had saved at the time to hire legal council. I'm doing ok these days and cannot in good conscience accept any money from the 2A community. Anyone that would have felt compelled to donate should send the money to the NJ2AS and ANJRPC. These guys still have a lot of fighting to do for us.

You're right. My wait is approaching 2 years (post from when I got denied) because I decided not to comply with the illegal form and I still have to go back before a county judge for my ID and permits. If it means others won't be subjected to additional and illegal requirements, it's a small price to pay. You're welcome and thank you for the kind words.

I used the word assume because I do NOT infact know, without a shadow of a doubt, what information may or may not exist about me in a database somewhere. I have not checked for myself first hand and thus used the word assume. Perhaps I should have said, "To the best of my knowledge I do not have a criminal record."

Now I'm all caught up to this point... Thanks again for all the helpful replies. Unless he decided to fight for his rights and the most he'd have to wait is 30 days. It's just one as far as I know. His office hours are Tues 10am - Noon, Wed. 6pm - 8pm. That's a 4-hour window during the course of a week. Thanks for the input. Would you know if this provides any further information than what my employer would already have on file? I work in the healthcare field and have had background checks done in 2005 when I was hired as well as this past January when my department was taken over by a new company. I believe a criminal background check is required under the Medicare Conditions of Participation. So I would assume I have no criminal record. Also if this was the case, it would/should have been checked off on my denial letter.

All caught up on page 2.. and there's (currently) 3 more to go? Here are my replies... Believe me, I would have rather not been the test case on this, but what is done is done. The thought of having to disclose that I've been denied never crossed my mind, as after speaking with Det. Rotsaert about the form and the legality of it under 2C:58-3(f), he didn't seem to disagree with me about it or suggest that I would be denied because of it. As for explaining my denial in the future, I think it's a small price to pay so those that come after me won't be subjected to the same issue. Thanks for the good luck wishes. I've been trying to remember anything that would fall under the Public Health, Safety and Welfare issue. As I've stated in my previous post, I was once caught stealing when I was 13, if this was the problem, I would think that would be more of a criminal record issue, and that box is not checked off on my denial letter. I've received 3 traffic tickets in my lifetime, 2 were speeding, one was careless driving, last one was around 2001. Doubt this could be the issue. On one occasion, someone (former friend) impersonated me during a traffic stop, I got this taken care of with the Clifton PD, and it happened possibly some time around 2005-2007 if I had to estimate the date. He tried again on another occasion but was taken into custody and his real identity revealed. Again, I can't see any of these suggesting a Public Health and safety issue. Thank you mentioning this. Seeing as there are differences of opinion here I will try and get clarification of it during the appeal. Perhaps stating the denial and granted on appeal, as suggested, would be the best route in any situation. I don't think anyone would mind 3 extra forms for a 14 day turn around. That just isn't the case in Paterson. I've read a post here where someone waited 9 months for their FPID+permits. I was told 4-6 months when I submitted mine (Early April). Perhaps the denial process is faster than the approval process LOL I hope you're not assuming I have a problem with Keith. I was courteous and respectful when I brought the issue about the forms to him, and he was courteous and respectful right back. I don't believe he is responsible for denying my application. My denial letter states "Has/have been disapproved by the Chief of Police for the following reason(s):" Thank you for the kind offer, but I'm hoping I, along with the residents of the City of Paterson, won't be needing one to legally obtain a FPID or P2Ps. I am in no rush. I still have many years left on this earth. This battle isn't a literal gun fight, I can fight it without a FID. I wish I had more details to offer, I'm posting everything that has come to mind about any possible reasons for the public health and safety issue, since the failure to provide required documents is obviously the notarized form with passport photo.

I apologize for the delay in responding back to my own thread. I posted after receiving my denial letter and had to get ready for work right after. I just got home after a 12.5 hour shift and will be going through this thread page by page and try responding to as many questions/comments as I can. Yes, the mental health release was filled out as part of the standard process. Thank you for the advice. To my knowledge there is nothing in my history that I can recall that would make me a prohibited person. I've never been arrested or charged with a crime. Upon my initial meeting with Detective Rotsaert (before filing the application when receiving the paperwork for Morpho) he asked if I was ever arrested or had handcuffs on. I made it known the one time I was ever handcuffed was when I was about 13 years old and got caught stealing something at the mall. I remember my parents having received a letter to pay a fine, but I was not brought to court for it. If this was a problem it is my understanding the process would have ended there. I contemplated this, but chose the path I did because after receiving my FPID and permits, what incentive do I have to fight for what's right? And once I've played along, what reason do I have to not do it again, since I've already complied on a prior occasion? Thanks for the good luck wishes.

Possibly the worst present I've ever gotten on my birthday. Today I received a certified letter from the Paterson PD stating I've been denied a FPID and Permit to Purchase because of "Public Health, Safety and Welfare" and "Other - Failure to provide required documents". The required documents they must be referring to is an extra form they ask to be filled out, and notarized with a passport photo attached. I previously spoke to Detective Keith Rotsaert about this form (in between the time of my initial visit and my Morpho fingerprinting appointment, before actually submitting my application), and that I felt it violated 2C:58-3(f), handed him a copy of 2C:58-3 printed from the NJ State Legislature website with section 2C:58-3(f) highlighted which he read. He said OK, and that I didn't have to submit it. About a week and a half later when submitting my application, he remembered our previous conversation and accepted my paperwork and payment. As for the "Public Health, Safety and Welfare" issue, I can only speculate, but I believe it could be because I applied for 2 P2Ps instead of just 1 and they might be trying to deny me for that as well. I know they can't limit the amount of permits applied for, but if they are requesting additional forms, they might not know that either. I can't imagine what else it could be. The letter says I can appeal the disapproval in writing within 30 days to the Passaic County Superior Court. At this point I'm not exactly sure what to do. Should I try and speak with the Chief and get this sorted out? City Council? Mayor? I wish I could hire a lawyer, but that is a costly option for something that shouldn't have been this difficult. I've attached the additional form "required" by the City of Paterson to this post.

I don't think #6 is a valid request either. Shouldn't it be the department's responsibility to verify your employment? Update: Went and spoke to the Detective on March 21st, the day after my first meeting with him, and explained the situation. I brought the form back to him, explained that I thought it was a violation of NJ statute 2C:58-3(f) and handed him a copy of the statute I printed from the NJ State Legislature website with the specific line highlighted. He shrugged and told me not to worry about the form then. He said Paterson has been doing it that way for 35 years. While the form may be waived in my particular instance, I don't believe they are going to stop asking for it from others that may follow.

I agree, of course I am a biased resident of Paterson. I had my initial visit with the detective to get the paperwork required. Turns out Paterson also requires an additional form letter with passport photo attached to be filled out and notarized, which seems redundant to the application. Form reads as follows... I have not yet approached Paterson PD about this, any advice on what to say? Speak in person, or over the phone?

Posting to say hello to the forum. Not a gun owner yet, applying for my FPID this week and judging from other posters' experiences with Paterson PD, I have a 9 month wait ahead of me.