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Tired of shooting paper.. will start taking advanced pistol classes and later shooting steel. Ummm.. don't own a holster. So someone give me the cliff notes on holster shopping. One major point: i am not interested in anything custom nor am i looking (at this time) for anything that is for quick draw. I'm merely looking for something compliant for walking around the range. I know someone will ask: "what kind of pistol do you have?" I want to train with my .22 1911, but eventually would want to use a M&P 9mm (or PPQ 9mm). Is there a "one size fits all" for holsters? Basically i'm not in the market for the Ferrari of holsters, i'm looking for the Chevy Cavelier of holsters.. Also, magazine holders? and oh, it would be outside the waistband, and just through my belt.. again.. entry level. About how much should i be spending? thanks!

Non members can just walk in an view a match?

Excellent.. ...my shoulder will thank you later.. :-)

HD and Hunting 20g vs 12g is a different story.. but for hitting sporting clays what are the merits of one vs the other? Is more power needed to shatter a clay? (i would guess not). Are the shot spreads different? Does someone think velocity is different (that would matter for hitting a flying clay, no?). Do guys bring their 12g because that is their hunting gun? So if i was to buy a shotgun strictly for sporting is there any reason to have 12 over 20 ?

I know this will just be interpreted awful online.. but here is my thoughts on the Paterson range.. You want a quiet place, no lines ever, possibly even shooting by yourself, then go. But i will tell you this.. i've been a couple of times, and out of the 4 other shooters i saw in my times there 3 of them made me leave early. Zero muzzle discipline, weapons out of the ports. One guy had a pistol and he couldnt even hit the ENTIRE paper target from 7 yards away. I mean the ENTIRE target. It got so weird i asked him if i could help.. he kept mumbling something about the sights.. i had some allen wrenches with me and i said "maybe we can move the sights right now" and as he looked at the sights to see if they were adjustable he pointed the muzzle right at my chest. (i just got sick thinking about that again.). I've decided i won't go back there.. way too nervous. Or i will go but only if nobody is down there. So that's 75% of my seeing people down there as dangerous. I have lots of respect for RO's now.

Rubber: that animation is AWESOME.. i will watch it for hours... is the short barrel 14 inch? then 16? then 18? KRD: still in infancy stage here.. i doubt i will be running with it though.. i'm not that extreme.... YET! Lunker: i'm not looking to shoot 200+ yards so i think 16 is just fine for a suburb guy like me.. ? is the difference between 14.5 and 16" anything significant? would people that pick 14.5 be guys that are thinking CLOSE QUARTERS, like a guy who picks an 18" shotgun? Oh, and in that animation was the gas block/capture spot ont the barrel the same for all those lenghts? or did it get farther out as the barrel got longer? yeah what i think threw me was the extension of the rails past the block.

Someone give me the quick low down on barrel lengths.. i'm sure the answer will be "it depends". I know of course it depends on what the purpose is.. but "generally" what are the popular lengths? Are the pros/cons just the usual stuff that would apply to any weapon (accuracy) ? I won't even ask about twist rates here. i dunno.. in some pics it looks like barrels are sticking out 8 inches past the gas block.. and in others it looks like 3 inches. Could this be because gas blocks are at different lenghts too? like for example.. these both say 16" but one barrel looks way bigger than other.. just an illusion? http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/977/products_id/71971/Rifles/Smith+%26+Wesson+Rifles/M%26P+15+Rifles/S/W%20M/P-15%20SPORT%205.56%2016/quot;%2010+1%20CA%20Compliant/ http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/977/products_id/53497/Rifles/Smith+%26+Wesson+Rifles/M%26P+15+Rifles/Smith%20/%20Wesson%2010%20+%201%20223%20Remington%20Carbine%20w/16/quot;%20Barrel/ Or is it something else this AR newbie isnt catching.

The world is just a nastier place because of the recession, global credit crisis. Sikh shooter UNEMPLOYED. Aurora: tons of college debt, no job prospects.. When the outlook on life is great (2003 - 2008) people have reasons to live. Think of the economy as like cocaine, when there's lots of it around everybody feels great.. Take it away and bad things happen. (the cocaine analogy was probably a bad example.. ummm. drug wars lead to more shooting.. ) :-)

the deregulation of the power industry is real. Many states, by legislation (NJ is one of them) allows users to CHOOSE who their enery SUPPLIER is. That is different than energy DISTRIBUTION. PSEG owns the lines, so they are the distrubutor. You are allowed to purchase power from any providers in the area. its not any more a scam than the competition between FIOS/Cablevision/Comcast. Companies will always offer "deals" or discounts to get market share. Even if you read your electric bill every month it says "you have the right to purchase power from somebody else." As far as the aggressive sales people go.. that's how it is with any business that is trying to gain customers. There is high commissions to the sales force for getting new customers, so they will be very aggressive. So i'm just saying that not all of them are scams. It is a real thing in the power industry. Switching providers runs the risk of switching with anything.. cable/phone/oil/gas.. some people it works out for.. others it doesnt. Ambit energy has marketed to me. They say 10% to 20% reduction in the production cost. When i google them the only complaints that come up are from people that were former sales people that didnt make as much money as they were led to believe being a sales person. The ponzi it appears is on the sales person side, not the consumer side. They promise one of those deals where you get the commish, then if they refer 10 people then you get more commish.. so on so on.. I don't see complaints from customers saying their bills went up or power shut off. I'm going to seriously look into it. hundreds of dollars in savings a year is nothing to sneeze at. Power production choice has been in California for like ten years..

As i look into M&P's.. the website is a bit confusing.. some models i click on it says "striker fire".. another model i click on says "double action".. and yet another says "10lb trigger".. yes, i know the technicalities that a striker fire is not a true single action.. that is not what this post is about. My real question concern are the above terms real distinct actions? like a FULL DOUBLE ACTION each time? or the 10lb pull is a different trigger? I want just a typical non-LEO traditional striker fire action that does the partial/half cock ready for the next fire. (i think that's what they call it. half cocked right?.).

ahhhh.. thank you.

so many AR acronyms to get used too.. google answers a lot of them.. but MBUS stands for Magpul back up sight.. Back up for what?!? like backup meaning "in the case that something fails"? Like send backup! or backup because it flips up? and when i see pictures of the front sight up, and an optic on the rail.. do you guys look through the optic and the front sight at the same time?

sorry if this hijacks the thread, but does a dedicated new out-of-the-box like the M&P 15/22 rifle run a "true" AR style gas impingement operation? Or is it just a bolt blowback? and along that lines.. if i bought a 223 rifle and then put the CMMG conversion in it does it still run the gas tube or does the conversion just bypass that and use a blowback system? sorry for this newbie question.

i've ordered ammo first time from them about 3 months ago.. and all throughout the free shipping.. like two thousand rounds over about 5 or 6 orders.. and i've never had to give my FID. So either this is brand new in the wake of Colorado or they are inconsistent with their policy. Knock on wood i hope i continue to be able to order without sending the FID.

i'm stupid, i can't figure out what does a "rail" gun mean. When i google it it says its an electronic machine gun. i know that's not it. Is it just a term for the picatinyy rail? Or is it some sort of slide action? i can't believe i can't figure this out..

Blue Line.. taxes are not based on only liveable space. Taxes are based on the overall value of the house. Upgrading a basement adds value to the house. How do i know this? Our town just went through its 20yr re-assesment. When the guy came into the house (yes, you don't have to let him in.. but thats a different thing) he doesnt just write down number of rooms, number of bathrooms etc. I saw the form i had to sign. It lists if you have central AC or not. It lists the "condition" of the appliances on a scale of 1 to 4. I said "why do i have a 4?" he said "you have high end appliances". He literally said because i have double sinks in a bathroom that counts as a 5 piece bathroom, not a four piece. I said "because i put nice toilets in my house i'm gonna pay more taxes?" he said "all this increases the value of the house, and you pay taxes on the value.." Someone here can say that's wrong in a reply.. but i'm just telling you literally what they fill out on the form.. its not just a square footage thing. the old saying "never own the nicest house on the block".. its true.

Yes, what Ray Ray said.. i didnt mean to change the thread topic.. its just that one thing in the OP stood out.. you said it was because of Colorado, and you said "the cheaper the better"... so i just don't know if you will be happy because you might get into building this thing and then spend more than you wanted.. for the wrong reason. (meaning HD). If cash is the issue.. for an HD choice then $200 bucks for a shotty is the way to go. But if deep down you wanted an AR for a long time anyway then have at it.. There is an active thread called "AR or shotgun" that has some good points.. but what it didnt mention was really how do you see yourself using the AR for HD? On the roof sniper style acquiring targets 100 yards away? Myself i will be in my living room or on the porch with 12 gauge anhialating anything that comes within 40 yards. Worried about capacity? just go with a long tube. (and if you already own a shotgun just ignore me.. :-)

Great reply GFH.. i feel sooooo much better now.. in a dorky way i'm glad you said it was the OCC producers.. that show never really "jumped the shark". It stayed grounded after all those years.. not like the bozos on Sons of Guns or American Guns who just want to make cannons explode now. (claymore mine in the back of a Porsche.. c'mon now..) i'm pretty psyched now how perhaps you will show how guns will PROTECT us from criminals.. intead of the guns being the criminal.

this was discussed a little in the GFH forum.. but wanted to bring it here.. Hey, its capitalism, if a reality show made Carlo's bakery a multi millionaire there's no reason why GFH shouldnt get theirs too.. However, i just wonder if a show called New Jersey Guns will be good for us.. or make it worse. No disrespect to GFH, i have used one of their classes myself. Would the show help our cause hopefully showing how ridiculous NJ gun laws are? Or is it going to make it harder for my next P2P because NJ is now under the microscope after at TV show. (we're not talking housewife topic here, ya know?) I dunno, maybe more ranges will open because of it.. it can go either way i guess.. Again, this is not about GFH. If i was them i would be doing the same thing. Its about growing the business.. I just hope there aren't repercussions.. there's not repercussions from Housewives.. this?.. umm.. i dunno.. I'm sure Anthony will chime in on this.. he's a brilliant guy and wouldnt want something to backfire on the NJ community.. but TV producers don't give two squats about whether it will help or hurt the NJ cause. they will just want to show guys blowing sh*t up. (if this topic came up in another forum besides the GFH one, and i missed it, moderators can delete this, or delete if you think its bad to talk about a vendor.. i understand)

Nice Pants.. do you own a shotgun yet? If yes, then proceed with AR questions.. if no, then the bigger issue here is AR vs SG for HD.

Destro.. that's SICK. 19 neck shots looking through the video camera.. so that sums it up perfectly.. its much easier to acquire the target position by looking at a red dot. yes you could look through a camera with iron sights but its a no brainer with the red dot. thanks!

I am crystal clear now.. thank you all..

Checker50.. so indeed.. it is to "acquire" the target more quickly.. that's the term i should have used.. "acquire".. but regarding the hitting a TORSO size target at < 200.. couldnt that be done with just iron sights? If the goal is just to hit torso, is a red dot needed for that? I was guessing that the red dot was to be more particular on the target.. like a head shot at < 200 versus just hitting a torso.. so again, i'm back to original question sort of.. does the bullet go where the red dot is at 100 yards any differently than iron sights at 100 yards?

Yes, i try to do my own research before i hit up the forum.. but I kid you not, when you put "how do red dot sights work" into YouTube videos for Modern Warfare (the video game) come up. I know red dot, and "hologram" sights are not laser sights. My question is, does the bullet go wherever the red dot is (after you have it zeroed in) every time? I don't mean like is accuracy guaranteed (nothing is guaranteed). What i mean is, are red dots to make accuracy better, or are red dots for overcoming that you don't need to be aligned perfectly? With iron sights to hit the target everything needs to be on plane, your eyeballs on plane with front sight on plane with rear right, on plane with target. I think the red dot overcomes this because all you have to do is see the red dot on your target in the viewfinder your eye can be "out of plane" a bit, just as long as you can see the red dot on the target... no? and red dots don't magnify if i've read it correctly.. So red dots i think just make aim EASIER.. not better/accurate.. is that correct? I know the replies could be two pages long, but you guys are pretty good at summary info.

KENTUCKY ?!? yeee haww! http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/070512_1998_2012_state_monthly_totals.pdf its interesting to look at these stats as a "gun-friendly" vs population of the state.. buy holy crap. KY wins by a landslide.. NY beats NJ by a factor of over 3X.. we all know NJ is the most densist state (meaning population, not intelligence.. lol).. but look at the checks.. if they want us defeated.. we are.. (i havent been into guns long enough to look at numbers if there was a "before" P2P timeline..)