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Thanks for explanation!! And for those like me with no legal expertise. I will save you the trip to Google to see what difference is between a TRO and a PI. https://pjtagency.com/difference-between-temporary-restraining-order-preliminary-injunction/ I have learned more about our Legal System and Government thru my 2A interests in the last year then in 6 years of college.

Crap… I need to temper my enthusiasm a little them and and stay focused for the fight ahead. NY got the TRO overruled quickly. It was only a couple of weeks if I remember correctly. Do you we have any clue how Quickly NJ could get this in front of the 3rd circuit?

My son just reminded me with a smirk to ruin my day that NY got a TRO for most of their CC improvement Law but then the State appealed to a Three judge panel that overturned their TRO. Someone please tell me that is not possible here and that the Thursday court case can only add to the TRO to make it better, not remove or make it worse…

What a glorious day…. Glad to join the party over here… I hope to see a lot more restrictions removed but the TRO so far gives me a usable carry permitt. I did not have one of those yesterday..So I have a big smile from ear to ear. For me typical weekdays I can’t think of anyplace I go on a regular basis where I could not carry. But weekends my wife and I often take the dogs to several different Parks. Local, County and State mostly. That s the one additional restriction I would really like removed.

Ok… I feel much better. I did not see that thread.. we can close this one.. I will party with the celebration over there!!!

So the Temporary Restraining Order just issued against the NJ Carry Killer Bill does not block the entire law but it does make the NJ permit functional and prevents enforcement of the worst parts of the Law meaning. A) Concealed Carry in an automobile allowed B) Concealed Carry in Bars / Restaurants allowed C) Concealed Carry at Sporting Events, etc allowed D) Concealed Carry on private property unless specifically prohibited allowed. It would ber great if the ANJRPC case being heard today can get the TRO expanded but this is certainly a good start. Of course I want the entire law declared unconstitutional but that will take time. Unless I am missing something I am really surprised more people like myself who felt the NJ permitt under the Carry killer law was 100% useless are not jumping for joy. 95% of us should be able to carry 95% of the time, No?

Hi All, Just wanted to update you all. I dropped off my application 7/13 with Franklin Lakes Police (Bergan County)and was told I could only have two pistols added to by permitt. I got an email on 12/14 saying I had to appear before the court in 12/20 regarding my permitt. I almost canceled my application based on what I had hear about getting called in to the court and loosing all you guns but decided to go regardless. A out 15-20 applicant were in the court. I heard the cases of about 4-5 people and all were approved. Some were as silly as having left a question blank on the application. Mine had to do with my daughter posting something stupid about guns on the school website when she was 16(5 year# ago). He wanted to know is she lived in the house and issued an order I am not allowed to give her access to my firearms. Not sure what giving me a carry permitt has to do with here having access to all the gun I have owned for 25 year but was not going to Argue. I ask why I was restricted 2 two Gun, he said I could add as many as I want and to just submit my certifications to the police chief and that I was told two max in error. On 12/28 I received my permitt from Franklin lakes police. The informed me that moving forward the police chief was the only approved needed and permits would be issued much quicker.

These new restriction are going to have people upholstering and unloading then reholstering and loading several times per outing. I don’t under stand how the legislature does not see that as an issue. Forget about the increased likely hood of 911 calls reporting suspicious people handling firearms. Dont most police locker rooms have a safe containers officers are required to point there firearm in whenever loading or unloading to prevent the frequent accidental discharges from killing other officers or themselves? Where do I point my gun when doing this in my cramped car? I think the reality is we are going to become a car carry state, It is just so impractical and so few places you are allowed to carry on your person to realistically take advance of the permitt. Our best realistic use to to keep it secure in your vehicle, carry it occasionally and have delayed access should a situation arise where you have time to receive and load it from your vehicle but for some reason driving away in your vehicle is not possible.

Hello Texan, I need keep all the parts together as a set.. I think most people looking for an AUG would not want the USR 20” crowned barrel as their only option. The USR 20” barrel is incredible. much much better then the standard 16” AUG. It is Heavy Bull made by ADI with Target crown. Many say the most accurate AUG barrel available but it fills more of a specific sniper role as apossed to a general all purpose tactical role.

All Reasonable offers considered and potentially a few unreasonable offers. If you would be willing to buy it for a better price let me know. I 100% want to sell and the longer it takes to more reasonable I will become.

Not at this point in time… I just purchased a Desert Tech MDRX I need to recover $$ Cash for at the moment…. If it is still unsold in a month or two and my wife has recovered from the sticker shock on the credit card ask again. As 007 says, “ One is not enough and three is too many”. So one of the Bull Pups has to go……

Steyr USR (AUG A2) $3500 $3400 Any Reasonable Offer First “ I’ll take it” post here will get it… All NJGunForum rules apply. Looking to Sell my Steyr USR. I am selling the Original USR stock and grip and the 20” ADI heavy barrel with Target crown, both the removable Steyr 1.5x Optic scope and picatinny rail all with the original manual, sling and box. Two 10 round Magazines ( Not the 20 round mags shown in photo). Everything to preserve the collective value of the USR. Only 3000 were imported into the USA. Plus In addition, you get a Steyr AUG Burnt Bronze Cerekote Stock, Grip and 16” Barrel to turn the Steyr USR virtually into Steyr AUG A2. The Scope and Picatinny rail both Mount rock solid with zero play. It also includes the Ratworks shell deflector, Hybrid Lefty Bolt, Corvus enhanced magazine release as well as the case deflector patch, the Trigger Tamer and Neu-Trigger Installed. (This provides a very acceptable trigger pull) All original trigger parts and Right hand bolt are included I purchased the rifle New in the box unfired about 5 years ago and put less then 500 rounds thru it.. Mostly thru the 16” barrel. The 20” ADI crown barrel is extremely high performance and has excellent reviews. My total cost for the Steyr USR and all the additional parts was $3900. ( see the cost breakdown below) Ratwork Hybrid Lefty bolt $125 Ratwork shell deflector $15 Corvus Enhanced Mag release $90 Neu-Trigger $30 TriggerTamer $60 Case deflector patch $25 Barrel Quick release button $30 Spare Aug Stock $325 Spare Foldable Front grip $50 Spare 16” Barrel with Grip $375 Professional Bronze Cerekote $275 Steyr USR cost $2500 I’m located in Bergan County and can meet at Gun For Hire to transfer or have them ship to your FFL. All fees are on your dime. Steyr USR History and detailed information http://www.steyr-aug.com/usr.htm

Does it look like there would be room for a third to be printed on the ones you have seen?

I submitted my application a couple week back with two qualifications. They called and asked for a better copy of my passport and I said I would drop it off next week as I want to provide a third qualification of a better sized Cary gun I just purchased. I was told that I would have to pick which of the first two submitted to be removed from the application as they can only accept two pistols maximum to be included on my permit. is this a know limit I just was not aware of? Has anyone been able to submit more then two? is it because only two can fit and be printed on the card?

Is Gun for Hire notarizing everyone Qualification document? Mine is not. Did I skip a step when I was there?

So I literally just dropped off my Application to Carry in Franklin Lakes… The officer was was nice and helpful but two interesting take aways. 1) He thought my Qualification letter from Gun for Hire had to be Notorized but accepted anyway, We’re they supposed to Notify it before I left? 2) I completed the Pistole permit request on July 6th and got my Fingerprints at Identico on Wednesday using the case number provided. Today the officer gave me instruction to get finger printed for the carry permit with a different Case Number. I explained I was just printed on Wednesday and provided the receipt and Pistol Purchase finger print instructions. He advised me to go and get printed again using the carry application case number because he could not guarantee it would not be rejected. So back to Identico in go, twice in one week. 3) He advise since I compete the Pistol purchase permit on July 6th it would be on hold indefinitely until a new State process was implemented. If I had completed on July 5th it would be grandfathered in and I would have gotten pistol purchase permits in about 3 weeks. 4) when I get my PPP and buy a carry gun I like I will have to complete the entire application process again 100% to add an additional gun to my permitt.

There is a good Chance the DA’s will hesitate to prosecute CCW holders for carrying on Public Transit and most other places. Even a public defender would be able to win the case sighting Bruen and set president so it can no longer be enforced. They will write the Law as a felony to scar everyone into compliance, Then plea bargain anyone they catch down to a fine and disorderly person offense to pull your Permitt but not risk setting president. Any Thoughts?? Yes, No, Maybe?..

If they can’t do it on the computer see if then can stand back about 3’ when taking the photo.. That will will reduce your image to better match the 1 1/2” x 1 1/2” format.

Just and FYI Staples does two 2 x 2 passport photos for $14. So $28+ for four. If you request they will reduce the image and leave blank space above your head and on the side of your shoulders. This way when you Trim a 1/4” off each side to make it 1 1/2” x 1 1/2” the picture looks correct. If you trim down a normal 2” x 2” passport photo it will look zoomed in on your face when cut down.

So at the Top of the Application is say make Money Order payable to “State of New Jersey - Treasurer but on the Application Instruction Sheet it says “Treasurer, State of New Jersey” I assume either will be accepted. However the Application Bottom Right of second Page references the photo size of 1 1/2” x 1 1/2” and the application instruction sheet says Passport Size photos which are 2” x 2”. That difference I would think matters…

So I see Gun For hit is offering the shoot Qualification needed to complete the application. What about the Training requirement? Regardless of previous experience / training you need to pass e certified test on the NJ Use of Force laws right? How do we complete that?

Do you thing an NRA Instructor could qualify themself?

I would love it if SCOTUS sees what NY is trying to do as an insult to the intent of what the ruling is supposed to achieve in allowing self defense outside the home.. Since they will already know how NY and others may try to circumvent the ruling they may include clarity that requires any restrictions require the highest bar for public interest to justify restrictions… So that only Airports, court houses, etc would meet the criteria.

You might have a good point.. I can’t really see you carrying completely legal with 14 people in a room and then when the 15th person enters you are a Felon… If violating these restrictions is a misdemeanor offense at most then most people I know would be comfortable with the Concealed means concealed mentality and just go about their business knowing in the unlikely event concealed mean NOT concealed they will be paying a fine and not going to jail..

Wow.. If those restrictions go into effect it is hard to imagine being able actively CCW on a regular basis. in NYC you would need to walk or own a car.. (Can’t even car pool) to go anyplace. When you get there you can not be around more then 15 people for almost any practical reason. All eating and drinking establishment are forbidden so you can only be out in public with your CCW a few hours without needing to go home and eat…………. if they go that strict I would think the courts would eventually straighten them out.. As I mentioned D.C. and Illinois(Chicago) tried to play that game when they had “Shall Issue” forced on them by them by the courts and got their ass handed to them in very short order… I doubt NY will be able to get away with anything too much more restrictive then they were able to…