TheSmokingGun

They don't have a hard on for pistol grips. It is just a common feature among guns that they want to ban, and so they target it.

You aren't going to like the answer. Most of the time it's police.

Please re-read, manually operated firearms are not included by the ban.

You can bet your sweet ass 90% of them would go right ahead and carry it out. And the other 10% wouldn't do jack shit to stop em.

I know exactly what you mean. I know I am very coarse on here and I come off as an asshole. However I do genuinely believe that most people like this genuinely do like and want freedom, they just have a skewed concept, or no idea idea at all, of what freedom really means.

You. I like you. A lot.

Oh yeah, I forgot all about that. Several counties in CA issue carry permits, including Sacramento. 10 rounds on your hip is much better than 15 rounds at home.

We could only be so lucky as to have CA's laws. Imagine being able to walk into a gun shop, pick out a gun, pass a NICS, and come back after the waiting period and pick it up. Instead of this FID/P2P bs system.

I don't know, why don't you ask people like Willie Nelson and Tommy Chong? They've been smoking for 50+ years. I'm sure their answer would be "stop buying mids, man" FYI: The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that more than 37,000 annual U.S. deaths are attributed to alcohol use alone (i.e. this figure does not include accidental deaths). On the other hand, the CDC does not even have a category for deaths caused by the use of marijuana.

Sadly, NJ has the votes to decriminalize possession of small amounts of marijuana back in June of 2012. It passed 7-0 in committee and had a bipartisan majority in the state assembly and with 58% public support. The bill would have made first, second and third offenses punishable by small and then increasing fines, and on third offense require the individual to seek drug counseling at their own expense. Then Christie made some big grandstanding show with cops and teachers, blabbing about protecting our children, and threatened a veto, thus killing the bill. Kind of funny, the guy is all about being "fiscally conservative" yet he doesn't mind spending millions upon millions of dollars patrolling, arresting, prosecuting, and jailing people simply for having a dime bag on them. Also I would like to say that while I have some differences with you, you are spot on about Marijuana and I thank you for your contributions on the matter.

Not really. He's a white supremacist, you should see the stuff he used to post about on Stormfront.org.

He didn't point a gun at anyone. He robbed a bank with a note. All large banks have a no-resistance policy and literally, if you hand them a post it note saying give me the money, the employees are required to, and to offer no resistance to any escape. Considering the banks tanked the economy and plundered billions, I'm sorry if I have no sympathy. I'm not saying it's okay to rob a bank, I'm just saying I really don't give a shit.

Probably the greatest irony is that there is a movement of people in this country who are all about freedom, independence, owning guns to protect themselves and be secure from "all threats, foreign and domestic" as well as violent crime and the like. The same people will rant and rave all day about this politician and that politician and the laws they make and how they are taking their freedom. And yet those very same people, worship, agree with, and stick up for the police/military under all circumstances without question. The irony being they feel there is a tyrannical government, yet they worship its enforcers. I don't get it?

Yep. I made a post about BlueLine's bias and the fact that most people released this way are hardly "criminals" anyway, but it got deleted. I suppose the moderators seek to maintain a certain "narrative" around here rather than a true discussion. The article is basically a complete crock of biased shit, about 1 guy who was an actual criminal, then a bunch of cops and other police officials making a huge deal about his $500 theft to get themselves more cops, funding, etc. It also seems there's quite a bit of boot licking around here and any post that isn't about how cops are heroes is considered "anti cop"

Have you ever stopped to think that Bloomberg kicked the National Guard out not because of guns, but because of money, then told all the people like you it was about guns? NYPD has over 25,000 officers, including the same M4 machine guns, armored vehicles, swat teams, road blocks, etc. that the NationGuard has. Ever think that maybe he kicked the volunteer, relatively low paid NG out, so that his bloated police force could make lots of extra overtime money during the crisis? Ever wonder if that request originally came from the police commissioner and police unions, and Bloomberg simply buttered their bread? Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Yeah but you're also a cop and live in Bayonne. I don't think I've ever met an anti-gun person that had a problem with cops having guns.

Correct. Virtually the only reason for Marijuana prohibition in the USA is racism, fear mongering, miseducation, and pharmaceutical/alcohol industry profits. “Makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.” —H.J. Anslinger, Bureau of Narcotics “Marihuana influenced negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men’s shadows, and look at a white woman twice.” —Hearst Newspapers “Marihuana is more dangerous than heroin or cocaine.” —Anslinger, Scientific American, May, 1938 “Negro entertainers with their jazz and swing music are declared an outgrowth of marihuana use which possesses white women to tap their feet.” —statements to Congress by Anslinger, FBN

And where do you plan on salvaging 5.56, Rambo?

You can always expect great content from r/guns. A liberal gun forum is a level headed, realistic gun forum.

Mostly, it's the USA's complete lack of a functioning healthcare, and especially mental healthcare, system. We let millions go without care due to the for-profit system, we make mental health care prohibitively expensive and not even covered except for under the best most expensive policies. We shun and outcast the mentally ill rather than treat them as equals who are sick. So they fester, get wrapped up in their own thoughts, or ideology, then decide to kill themselves and take as many with them as they can.

It's kinda hard to "show no quarter" to someone who kills themselves.

Possibly the funniest thing about Christie campaigning for president, is that Bruce would be out campaigning for his opponent. Now that, right there, is quite the embarrassment for fatass.

You need to take into account that the majority of gun owners, both in NJ and "abroad" do not even have an interest in AR/AK type rifles. In CA, a guy who decides to get into guns can walk into a shop, buy a Rem 700, wait 10 days and walk out. A guy who decides its time to own something for home defense can pick out a nice 870 or S&W .357 and have it less than two weeks later, never having owned a gun before. NJ subjects those very same people, the majority gun owners, to intimidation by local police, hassle, fees, and months of waiting and in some cases dealing with bs. All before they can even consider buying a gun. Yes, AR/AK owners are taken down a bit by the bullet button, I will give you that. But 10 round mags are really not a big deal and I've been saying this for years. NJ is the only 15-ban state, so many companies do not even make 15 round mags. Yes, enthusiasts like the ones on this board can go and buy special 15rd magazines that often times cost a lot of money, are limited supply, and even special order sometimes. The rest are using 10-rounders here anyway. The other causes you listed, such as .50cal ban and Gunbroker sales, are once again things that only affect a very small percentage of gun owners. Not that those bans are "good" but rather, they are not sweeping. The thing is, the permit is a big, big, big intimidating factor. To have a letter sent to your job, to have to "come out" to two people for references, to have to take time off work to get printed, these are bigger factors than your typical NJGF enthusiast will admit. Yes, some people have time/knowledge to cycle 9 P2Ps and exceptions, the other 95% of gun owners don't. There is a huge factor for a citizen to be able to clandestinely own a legal firearm in their home without having to explain to anyone why, that is a lot more precious than 5 extra rounds in the magazine. And the numbers prove it - CA has triple as many firearms owners per capita than NJ.

Exactly, this is why I put "anti gun" in quotes. They have it much better in places like CA than here.

i forgot about that, thank you. Even excluding places like Kentucky, even "anti-gun" states like CA, MA, RI, etc. still have exponentially higher ownership rates than NJ.