Alex V

I didn’t mean all other states. Just that others have not been.

Okay, say you get the new qualifier done, how do you update your permit?

Not sure why my comment disappeared. Here is it again. Thomas Jefferson gave us the instructions on clearing these types in infestations on July 4 1776. James Madison gave us the means to do it on December 15 1791.

Other states have not been allowed to be infested by tyrants, yet.

That's an interesting point... A buddy of mine send me the link this morning, but there seems to be confusion on what happens to current permit holders. A portion of the proposed law stated that the new requirements had to be met by current holders within 90 days, but I am not sure if that is the in the final law, part of the injunction or part of the stay. If the G4H qual is "substantially similar" and I did my qual there, do we have a way of proving it seeing as how the NJSP took the originals?

Ikea in Elizabeth is a nogo, but it seems to be an Ikea all over policy, they are the same way in Charlotte.

Again, I’m not arguing the benefits or detriments of having a safety on the pistol for “all the other times”. The original comment I was talking about made it seem like having the safety there did something magical once the pistol is already in the holster. As for the “the final click”; if you cleared your holster prior to re-holstering it’s not a concern. There is never a need to holster as fast as you need to draw. Look down, clear your garment, insert the gun slowly. We all know this. Saying you need a manual safety to holster safely is like saying; “im going to be negligent when holstering do I need a mechanical device to make sure I won’t blow by balls off”. In which case, maybe just open carry? Don’t carry at all? I dunno. I don’t think I agree with the AR analogy since it’s never holstered where the trigger can’t be accessed. You sling your rifle, trigger is out in the open to catch on anything. Pistol, in a holster, not so much. like I said, I’m ONLY talking about the comment which made it seem like a holstered gun is safer with a manual safety. Once it’s in the holster, there is no difference, at least to me. And getting to the holster is just personal responsibility.

Okay, so who’s to say you’re going to remember to flip that safety when you need to draw? It works both ways. I just don’t see how in your pants, in a good holster, the manual safety is doing anything to protect your twig and berries over a striker fired gun. In the holster it’s doing literally nothing. the original post I replied to made it seem like a manual safety is somehow helping the gun not shoot your nuts off.

The point is that they are no less safe than those with a manually operated safeties. Safe operation relies on the switch between the ears, not the one on the slide. Pot meet kettle when you poo poo the carrying of striker fired guns.

Too many people make the thumb safety some kind of magic totem. It isn’t.

Meh. Been carrying a Glock or a Zev AIWB for 3+ years now. Is your dick pulling the trigger? If the gun is in a good holster not sure it makes any difference.

I don’t think BCM needs to pander to the latest fad. They make tool guns which you can’t rely on with your life. I don’t need them to do anything new, I just want them to make more of what they already have, LOL

Claw yes. My T1C holsters have a claw and it works well. My friend tried the wedge and said it was uncomfortable for no added benefit over the claw.

I’m not in NJ anymore and I still carry a spare mag. 15+1 in the gun and 20 in the spare. If we ever really get these permits I’m carrying two extra mags so I can have 31 rounds. One in the side of the holster and one in my pocket. Gonna need a new holster since mine is made for +5 Shield Arms mags, may not work with factory G48 mags.

I print all the time since I wear a size small shirt. DGAF. Don’t forget that just because you know you’re printing because you know what is under your shirt doesn’t mean others know what to look for. The overwhelming majority of people are incredibly ignorant and unaware of their surroundings. You do you dude and F everyone else.

Agreed, but they don't offer the NJ permit required service code (2F164B) in my state. They only offer TSA PreCheck and some HAZMAT stuff. I will be in PA in September for a Costa class, since it's a night class I will find a place around there to do my prints in the morning, then on the way home drive through NJ to drop off the paperwork at the NJSP station by the Delaware Memorial Bridge. The station told me I have to have my prints done before dropping off the paperwork otherwise I would have dropped it off today.

Passed with my 2 guns this morning at Gun For Hire. Was pretty easy. They have a nice facility, it was my first time there. Now I have to figure out the next time I am in NJ so I can do my fingerprints.

I will have all my paperwork with me so I'll keep checking. I am doing the Qual course in the morning on Wed.

I was told the same thing. This really screws it up for me since I am traveling to NJ from south of the Mason Dixon line and there are no fingerprint appointments left for the week anywhere. Fun times.

It’s the NJSP, when are they ever right? Exactly. They just want to make it as confusing as hard as possible. They guy even complained about how many applications he had to process. Whaaaaaaaa. People want to use their rights. Whaaaaa

Fuck that. I’m going to Gun For Hire on Wednesday to shoot the qual with pistolas. I’m in this fight with you guys! I’ll use my miles to fly to NJ just to make the point.

The POS’s at the NJSP won’t make it easy either. their directions said to call before you bring in your application. Called several times: no answer. Got through to someone else at the barracks. Firearms guy not in. Send email. To his credit he did call me back. Fun story, they withdrew my Change of Address for my FID because the Somerville barracks are not the closest to NC. Okay, calm down, NJ is the size of a postage stamp. What difference does it make? Meanwhile I got zero notification that it was withdrawn. How would I have known? So now, instead of applying in Somerville which is 20min from my parents house, and 5 minutes from my in-laws I have have to apply at the station by the Delaware Memorial bridge. Mind you, I fly to NJ all the time for work and fly into Newark. So I have to drive 90minutes instead. Watch, when I call that station tomorrow then will tell me it’s the wrong station as well. At this point, it’s the principal of the thing. I’m in NJ a total of 20 or so days a year, but fuck that shit, I want that damn CCW permit just so Bleeding Gums Murphy can choke on the Constitution. The SGT at Somerville also said that Murphy issued a bunch of new rules regarding carry today as well. His guess is that we won’t be able to carry anywhere. This is going to be a long battle, but one worth having.

AIWB doesn’t work for everyone but in my opinion if you can, it’s the best. The Sidecar is the same basic concept as the T1 holsters I have, I’m sure it’s just as comfortable. I’ve drove NC to PA to a Costa class while carrying my Zev the whole time. 7.5 hours of driving, no problem. Once you start carrying every day, it doesn’t feel like a novelty anymore and the feel of the pistol in your pants becomes natural. Like keys in your pocket or your wallet. Put my shoes on, grab my truck keys, wallet, phone put gun on. It’s just routine now.

It depends heavily on the size of your hand. Small pistols are not comfortable to shoot, at least for me, if my pinky is hanging off the bottom of the grip. I find the G19 grip length to be perfect for me which is why I carry an OZ9c in the winter and G48mos in the summer. When I carry the G48 I have 16+1 in the gun and 20 on the side, it's not very heavy. With the BS 10rd mags in NJ I bet it would be lighter still. The 48MOS with a Holosun 407K and a Shield Arms magwell + (1)10rd mag + 11rd of 124gr HST is 26oz. That's not really bad at all. Im sure my wife's 43X is even less but I can weigh that now since it's on her. The 43 would be even less still.

Stupid question: do we have to qualify twice a year forever like retired and active LEO?