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  1. I filed my application through NJSP.  I'm on day 117 and I haven't heard anything.  I sent a letter to the Superintendent of NJSP on day 102 requesting an update on the status of my application and informing the superintendent that my application was deemed approved on day 61.

    The letter was picked up in Trenton two weeks ago.  I can track the letter online but oddly, the return receipt was never sent back to me by USPS.  But I have proof that it was picked up.

    I have received no response to my letter, just like I received no response to my emails I had sent to my local NJSP station before I sent the letter.

    I plan to contact the court to inform them that my application has been approved by the NJSP in early October. (61 days as per 2C:58-4). And asking the court to approve my application even if the NJSP won't comply with the law.

    I'm looking for some guidance in doing that.  I don't mind doing the research but I don't even know where to start.  Anybody know the legal process to notify the courts that it's time to approve my permit or at least point me to some document where I can figure out the process for myself?

    Thanks in advance.

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  2. 3 hours ago, DirtyDigz said:

    Per NJ Court rep - they received 1,500 PTC applications in August.

    They estimate they'll receive a total of 11,000 by 2022 year end.

    So where is the 300k PTC applications number coming from!?

    • Bruen was June 23rd
    • Took everyone at least a month to get their quals done and fill out the form so that's the end of July.
    • The PD's get 60 days and some are taking longer so that's the end of September before permits started hitting the courts.
    • Not surprised there were only 1500 in August.   Giving the stats for August is intentionally misleading.

  3. NJSP was 8 weeks recently.

    As I understand the process:

    • The background check takes minutes.
    • The mental health check is typically a few days but when they're backed up and depending on the county could take longer.
    • The reference check is as long as the officer doing the checks decides to wait.

    Everything could typically be turned around in a week.  If it's much longer than that, it's your PD that is delaying.


  4. On 10/21/2022 at 9:19 AM, RadioGunner said:

    The PD isn't the problem here. At least with NJSP they have been prompt, polite and efficient. The courts are where things start to drag. That backdating is squarely on the courts. 

    The trooper estimated that I was the 20th applicant at my local barracks.  It took NJSP 73 days to call my references and now it goes to Trenton for a review.  Not exactly prompt or efficient but I will agree they have been polite.


  5. An update on my permit through NJSP Bridgeton.   I haven't received the permit yet but have the first indication that something is happening.   The timeline:

    • 8/5 - application submitted
    • 8/6 - Day 0 - fingerprints completed in PA
    • 9/5 - Day 30 - emailed trooper to confirm prints had been received.  There were rumors online that out-of-state prints weren't making it to NJSP.  No reply to email - which is not typical for this trooper.  He's always been very helpful in the past.
    • 9/17 - Day 42 - emailed trooper again to confirm prints were received.  No reply
    • 10/18 - Day 73 - my references received a phone call.  Trooper said he was doing background checks "as the last step" or "to finish up" my application.  Not sure of his exact language.

    I still haven't heard of any permits coming out of NJSP since the very beginning of this.  I know they get sent to Trenton next.  Don't know if Trenton is under orders to just sit on them indefinitely or if they start to move toward the court now.


  6. Have any permits been issued through the NJSP yet?  I haven't seen anyone post here, facebook pages, or reddit that they received a permit and applied through the state police.

    My permit has been in for 2 months and I haven't heard a thing from them.  The trooper at my local barracks who handles firearm permits has always been really good to work with.  Always responsive, answers phone calls and emails, keeps me informed of the process, and has generally been helpful.  I emailed him twice in the last month and no reply.  Wondering if he's just overworked or if a directive not to answer questions went out.

    Anybody have any insight into what's happening with permits submitted to NJSP?


  7. 48 minutes ago, ShootersShooter said:

    I talked with two in Ocean county both were 43&45 days total from completed app submitted to the call to pick it up. 

    That makes them one of the first applicants.  Now that there are more applications being processed, I wonder if it will slow down. 


  8. I've read the statue over and over.  I'm not bad with words but one part confuses me.   On a quick read through, I thought it meant that you can carry any gun as long as you own the gun but on the 10th read, it seems to say something else.

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    NJS 2C:58-4(a) "One permit shall be sufficient for all handguns owned by the holder thereof but the permit shall apply only to a handgun carried by the actual and legal holder of the permit."

    The last part confuses me:  "the permit shall apply only to a handgun carried by the actual legal holder of the permit".   WHICH IS NOT:  the permit shall apply only to a handgun carried by the actual legal owner of the gun.  Holder of permit...not owner of gun.

    It reads to me that the permit is only valid for the person who owns the permit and says nothing at all about who owns the gun.  But it seems so obvious that somebody else can't use your permit that they wouldn't have put that in  the law.   I need a grammar expert who remembers how to diagram sentences to clear this up for me.


  9. 2 hours ago, psychwarfare said:

    Had the qual at Bob's today with a fellow named Bob that was super nice. Really chill experience, had great convo with him while I was shooting. Got a bit distracted at 25 yds and ended up 249/250.

    7/10/15/25 yards

    Mentioned what OC reportedly did with issuing a letter limiting what you can carry, one of the instructors chimed in and said that's illegal...

    I don't see how it's illegal. Admin code says the judge can issue a restricted type permit.  Wait...let me change that... illegal constitutionally since it's an infringement to the right to bear arms.  but not illegal by NJ law.

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  10. 1 hour ago, GRIZ said:

    If you read the statute and admin code I believe it says you only have to qualify with one and you can carry any handgun you legally own.

    If these people are charging more for qualifying with more than one its just a money making scheme.  GOD BLESS CAPITALISM!!!

    It matters because a judge can issue a restricted type permit that lists the guns you can carry.  It's too long to cut and paste the whole thing again but there are two sections of the law that matter here.  Google NJSA 2C:58-4(a)  --- and ---  NJAC 13:54-2.7(a) and (b).

    Several instructors are letting you "qualify" with multiple firearms if you shoot just one.  Others want to see you shoot each one before they will sign off that you can demonstrate "familiarity with safe handling and use" with each gun.  Since different guns are operated differently I think this is reasonable. 


  11. 19 hours ago, CapGuns&SnapsKid said:

    Well, finally got to take my qualification test on Saturday at Shooters after a 4x week wait. It was a cool experience, Paul was our instructor and we went over Use of Force and then did our shooting. Probably about 8-10 ppl in the class, said its starting to slow up. Nice facility about an hr ride for me but it was all backroads. If in the South Jersey I recommend them. 

    Somebody here posted that Shooters now only allowed one firearm on the qualification form.  Something about the qualification being rejected by the PD if more than one gun was on the form - not sure I have  that exactly right.

    Just curious what the details were. Was that discussed at all during your qualification?

     


  12. 1 hour ago, Cheflife15 said:

    I'm having a tough time concealing my hk without printing. Is printing illegal or just frowned upon?

    It's not egregious, I just know the gun is there so I can pick up in it while looking in the mirror. 

    NJ does not require concealed carry.  Open carry (with a carry permit) is legal.  You don't need to keep your gun hidden at all - although I personally think doing so is a good idea.

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  13. Submitted my application this morning.  The trooper at Bridgeton Barracks has always been very helpful and takes the time to explain everything. Some information I gleaned from our conversation:

    • So far he estimates that I'm the 20th person to drop off an application at the station.  I would have expected it was more.
    • The background check and paperwork review is done at the local barracks and then sent to Trenton for a second review.  Trenton forwards to the superior court.  Once approved, the court sends it back to Trenton and Trenton makes the card and forwards it to the local barracks.  I'm sure that the process is different if you're not going through NJSP.
    • He spoke to someone at the superior court who told him (1) They don't have direction on the process yet. (2) hearings will most likely not be required - although they always have been in the past. 
    • I asked if he knew if there would be restricted type permits issued that would limit what we carry.  He said that he had been told we could carry only what we have submitted proof of ownership.  Guns purchased in the future would also be legal because there was a paper trail to prove proof of ownership.   That is when he told me he didn't know why that would be since he can look up any firearm we've purchased in NJ.
    • He also said that the process will be long enough that fingerprinting won't hold up the process. He and Trenton won't have permits ready for the court "any time soon" so the fingerprints will be added to the file whenever they get there - no hurry on prints.  That said, I signed up for prints in PA for tomorrow - not because I'm in a hurry (but I am) but because there are no appointments available in NJ.  You can only schedule 7 days out and all locations show 0 appointments available in the next 7 days.

    He admitted that there is a lot about the process he doesn't know yet and he said "I think" or "I have heard" a few times so the above information may be correct or not - and he was honest about that.  We also talked about a lot of different things so I might have remembered part of the conversation incorrectly too.  But...I think the above is pretty accurate.
     

     

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  14. 24 minutes ago, brucin said:

    I'm looking for opinions on proof of ownership.

    One of the handguns I plan on qualifying with I purchased as a resident of NY and I still have a NY Permit to carry a pistol as I still have my residence there.

    This handgun as well as all the other handguns I purchased in NY are on the permit.

    Does anyone think that this would be sufficient for proof of ownership and does anyone see any downside to showing proof of all the other handguns I do not plan on qualifying with.

    I'm still a resident of NJ in case anyone was going to ask.

    I typed up a letter that says "To whom it may concern:

    This letter serves as my certification that I am the lawful owner of the following handguns:

    "

    I signed and dated it and had my signature notarized.  The trooper at my local station accepted it this morning.  We had a long talk about the process and he said he wasn't sure why there was a requirement for proof of ownership, if I bought a gun legally in NJ he can look it up in the database.  If I didn't, I can just write a letter which doesn't prove or disprove anything.

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  15. 4 hours ago, samiam said:

    My muffs are the old-fashioned kind that attenuate sound constantly. T'will be interesting if I get an instructor in the same mode as the one you had. The guy on the phone claimed the Tuesday qual would be "pretty easy", which doesn't seem to describe your experience very well. We shall see....

    I would say the qualification was easy, at least easy to pass - considering the fact that everyone passed and accurate shooting didn't seem to be scrutinized especially harshly.  I think passing the qualifier was easy.  Enduring the qualifier wasn't.

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  16. 6 hours ago, samiam said:

    I'm scheduled for qualification at Shooters with my SP101 next Tuesday at 9 AM. I was assured of what has been reported here: no holster drill; no kneeling; no time limits; max distance 10 yards. I will go to SJCC in Winslow (where I am a member) tomorrow for some shootng practice at 10 yards and closer. I'm fairly optimistic about qualfying under those conditions. Obviously this won't be a substitute for holster drill, which I need badly (need to find a better holster first) but now I can do that while my application is making its leisurely way through the system. 

    Just so you know, that wasn't my experience at Shooters in Little Egg Harbor earlier this week.  The instructor was very nice, easy to like, and generally agreeable.  The course of fire was not difficult but the instructor felt that there was a need to put everyone under pressure.  Not sure why.

    There was some yelling, time limits, two shot and three shot drills. Commands to "holster" frequently which were handled by laying your gun on the counter - no actual holsters.   There was no time set aside to reload, you had to reload as you were being kind-of yelled at to shoot "three more rounds" or whatever the drill of the moment was.  I had a compact .380 since I thought you needed to qualify with what you carried and only had two 6 round mags.  I struggled to keep up and missed taking a few shots.   To be fair, the yelling wasn't drill-sargent-in-your-face style yelling but I don't know why it was needed at all.  It was also difficult to hear commands over the shooting with electric ear protection because every shot shuts down your ear muffs for half a second and we were shooting fast so you could probably only hear 1/3 of the time.

    Shots were taken at lots of different distances and I don't think we actually shot out to 15 yards, probably closer to 10 or 11yds max.  I think we shot 30 rounds according to the ammo left in my box but I didn't count so I'm guessing.  Everyone passed.  I saw everyone else's target and never counted hits but I think the instructor may have been generous in scoring.

    That said, after the shooting, which I didn't particularly enjoy, the instructor was once again very helpful, friendly, and accommodating.  We could put up to 4 handguns on the forms and as I said, everyone passed.

    If you're going to shooters I recommend: (1) arrive 15 minutes early to pay - the class starts on time! (2) Bring the serial numbers of the guns you want to include on the form. You can't uncase your guns in the classroom and you won't have time in the range to write the numbers down, (3) Bring enough magazines to shoot 30 rounds and start loading them as soon as you get into the range.  You won't have much time before the shooting starts.

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  17. Here's the exception to 2C:58-4 above:

    N.J. Admin. Code § 13:54-2.7 - Issuance of a permit to carry a handgun
    (a) Upon being satisfied of the sufficiency of the application and the fulfillment of the provisions of P.L. 1979, c. 58, the judge shall issue a permit. The issuing Superior Court judge shall return the original permit to carry a handgun along with the application endorsed by the issuing Superior Court judge, to the jurisdiction of origin.
    (b) The court may, at its discretion, issue a limited type permit which would restrict the applicant as to the types of handguns he or she may carry and where and for what purposes such handguns may be carried.
    (c) The Superintendent shall be provided with copies of all permits to carry handguns issued or re-issued by the Superior Court.
     
    And I don't think we know yet if the permits issued by the court will have restrictions listed on them.  But, I agree.  As long as the judge doesn't restrict what we can carry, we can carry any handgun.
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