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  1. 1 hour ago, EngineerJet said:

    I agree having to pin anything is stupid. But it is required given that without the muzzle device im under 26. And since given the nature of its size, it would be a more likely candidate for home defense over my regular AR. For flash mitigation, the A2 is great bang for the buck.

    Since th is is a picture thread, heres another before people revolt.wuBbnOG.jpg

    Parts list for the 9mm and cost?


  2. 2 hours ago, SJG said:

    As I have both the Scorpion rifle and the Scorpion micro (both in FL) although I could make the rifle good to go in N.J. with little effort, I thought I would chime in. I have not fired any of the NON-NFA's but do also own and have fired a 9mm AR style rifle.  I can tell you that the 9 mm Scorpion rifle is a hell of alot of fun because of its cool design and lots of fun to shoot ); it also extremely accurate with the barrel it comes with (not sure if cz makes or sources there barrels; but the same is true on whatever barrels they use on their pistols. I shoot the scorpion indoors, so I have only fired it up to 50 yards with excellent groupings, the bolt on it is massive and the thing never every jams no matter what ammo I have fed it.

    I am sure the non-NFA 9 offerings are or also will be fine, but unless you spend the extra money for the non-plain look on them--they are probably plain vanilla. Magazines are not a problem on the Scorpion as there are lots of options, you can go cz, magpul, PSA, and there are two other co's (I forget that make mags). Since I don't need to block, I have not looked into aftermarket CZ block mags and that would only be an issue if I wanted to bring the rifle back to NJ.

    Recoil in 9mm doesn't seem to be an issue no matter which way you go.

    In the 223/556 world I would take the IWI X-95 over any 223/556 NON-NFA in terms of shooting enjoyment and coolness factor. 

    If you want to compare a standard AR 9 carbine-16"  to a NON-NFA I guess it depends on what type of range-distance you are looking for. Indoors up to 50' it probably does not make a difference: outdoors up to 100" and/or beyond, I don't know and would defer to those who have shot one at distance--I guess it depends on barrel quality, but generally, the longer the barrel, the longer the bullet is stabilized before it is released.

    The great thing about the NON-NFA is that it offers additional choices. If you have the $ I would get the Scorpion rifle, a NON-NFA and and AR  14" with a pinned and welded brake or a 16" and a NON-NFA, and while your at it pick up an x95 also. To a large extent, the market is flooded with firearms and there are great deals out there

    Thanks I have a couple of 16" Ar's and do not have any interest at the moment in the non nfa in 5.56.

    However I have greatly enjoyed my ruger PC in 9mm both indoors and outdoors.  Over 1,500 rounds without a single issue. My interest is solely in the 9mm non-nfa variant due to the lighter weight, shorter barrel, adjustable brace etc.  If I lived in a free state I would probably opt for a Zenith MP5 clone or a b&t apc9. 

    With the 9mm non nfa variants you really get the advantage of a significantly shorter barrel since you don't really need to run a muzzle device just a thread protector.


  3. 52 minutes ago, Maksim said:

    And as a note... Between the 4... I really do believe each is unique in their own way and there is enough there to differentiate for the type of gun owner you are and what you are looking for feature wise. Once I complete the individual videos will put one together of the 4... but will have accuracy results hopefully this time next week, as long as I get it in time.

    A comparison of the 9mm variants would also be great.


  4. 32 minutes ago, High Exposure said:

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    I’m confused - the ad posted in the OP states it is “Direct Gas Impingement” not piston. You keep saying DI but you are talking about the firearm as if it was piston. All of the other SBFs on the market are DI systems.

    LWRC has two non nfa nj models, one DI and one piston.


  5. 1 hour ago, High Exposure said:

    I was over at MM today. They are building their SBFs as we speak.

    They just got 11.75” barrels that will satisfy the 26” OAL requirement without any pinning of the muzzle device or pistol brace.

    They are also machining new longer hand guards that will maximize the available real estate to coincide with the extra barrel length - it adds a whole extra MLOK slot. New configuration looks very sharp with less barrel hanging out in front. Subjectively - it balances better and the extra length actually makes the gun more comfortable, especially when using the VFG and a white light.

    I also saw the parts for a few 9mm versions in the bins getting ready for assembly. Those are going to be amazeballs.

     

    The 9mm MM sbf is what I'm interested in.  Did they give you an estimate as to availability?

    Unless I'm mistaken MM is also the only one of the three that is going to offer a 9mm sbf.


  6. 10 minutes ago, PK90 said:

    16" rifle (14.5" + 1.5") includes muzzle device.

    12.5" non-NFA plus 1.5" muzzle device equals 14".

    Hence 2" difference. Plus you can put a stock on the rifle.

    And the stock must be fixed so if you want your kid or wife to shoot it the length of pull is too long because you can't adjust it.  The brace you can adjust all day.

     


  7. 3 minutes ago, PK90 said:

    16" rifle (14.5" + 1.5") includes muzzle device.

    12.5" non-NFA plus 1.5" muzzle device equals 14".

    Hence 2" difference. Plus you can put a stock on the rifle.

    No on the 14.5 you NEED the 1.5 device and it must be permanently attached.  On the non nfa sbf you dont even need a device and if you choose to have one it is removable.


  8. 7 minutes ago, carl_g said:

    All this for a rifle that is 2 inches shorter?? I don’t get the hype. 

    MM uses a barrel under 12" so it's at least 4 inches not two.  Plus can use flash hider, no need to permanently attach and the brace is adjustable.  All things previously unavailable to NJ.


  9. 57 minutes ago, Maksim said:

    I am not going to go into whether or not gun laws are effective as that is besides the point...

    In essence you are saying that if we think the law is stupid... we should do anything we can to get around it?

    Bump stocks are stupid... pistol braces for the 99% of people are stupid (the 1% being people who actually use them as braces),   and while I do think they are silly and would not get one for myself, I do value the right for them to exist and I agree they help the 2A.

    BUT... I don't think gun owners have a lot to complain about as they were somehow wronged because the intent of those products was to get around existing laws... in particular the Braces which were stocks with a velcro strap which avoids the $200 tax stamp.

    Bump stocks... machine guns for the poor. lol.

    BUT as we saw... when we have crazy nut jobs recently commit mass shootings with those very same loopholes, it only gives Democrats more ammunition.

    AFter all, no sane gun owner would conceal carry an "AR Pistol" and no self respecting gun owner actually wanted a bump stock. lol.(especially when you can bump fire without it.)

    All of these innovations are largely for the industry to make as much money as they can before it gets shut down.

    It's the gun owners who get stuck holding the bag.

    On the current "other firearm" trend, 3 of the companies I spoke with over the past month or two are shocked that they lasted this long.

    And a number of large firearms manufacturers were shocked the pistol braces were let go as long as they have.

    Heck... even the folks at the NFA organizations were shocked... BUT  pretty much all are in agreement...

    "A nail that sticks out get hammered."

    This is especially critical for massive trends.  The faster they grow, the more attention they are going to attract.

    So I guess in essence... yes I do agree NFA laws are kind of silly, BUT let's discuss and go after those... rather than explicit loopholes made to get around existing gun laws.  

    Because from the outside... as these shootings do... it only reinforces the idea of... "See, those gun nuts don't care about laws and will do anything they can to get around them.  They don't even want to discuss them."

     

    A great example of how it should be handled is what they are doing in VT or NH with suppressors.  Going after and educating liberal democrats about hearing protection.

    I think you miss the larger point that every AR with a pinned stock and muzzle brake being sold at RTSP or Bullet Hole is by definition a loophole.  The intent of Florio, Murphy et al. Is NOT to ban flash riders, bayonet lugs and threaded barrels but to ban the actual weapons.

    We the actual gun owners in NJ and the manufacturers benefit because we have been exploiting this loophole for decades.  This type of resourcefulness should be applauded and encouraged.

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  10. 19 minutes ago, Maksim said:

    Well... let's take a step back...

    There is PRe-86 machine guns and then there are SBRs.  Pistol braces are a way around SBRs and most sane gun owners know that.  I think the solution is simply reclassify braces same as stocks.

    It's a never ending cycle...

    ATF creates law to regulate a loophole.... industry comes out with new product with a new loophole.... people go crazy buying it.... crazy people do crazy stuff... ATF creates law to regulate a loophole. 

    I don't think anyone should minimize the importance of loopholes and the exploitation of same when it comes gun laws.  Hell the mere presence today in 2019 of ar's on nj gun store shelves is a huge loophole.  The intent of Florio and others was not to ban flash riders or bayonet lugs or threads on a barrel---it was of course to ban ar's in general, period.  We in nj just like those in Cali benefit from those loophole; sbf non nfa here and in ct, the bullet button in cali etc. are all part of the same vital tradition of demonstrating the utter stupidity of the gun control regime.

    And here's the downside of fleeing the braces.  The common usage of a firearm--go reread Scalia in HELLER--is crucial to their protection under 2nd Amendment jurisprudence.  The more common Ar', Ak's, pistol braces, etc., etc. are the more difficult it is to ban them. In essence the gun culture, the overall gun culture matters, a lot.  

    In 1897 the Supremes approved legal government mandated segregation in Plessy, 57 years later the court ruled that same was unconstitutional in Brown and they did so unanimously.  What changed?? Certainly not the 13th, 14th or 15th Amendment since they were all in place in 1897.  Answer:  the culture changed esp. in the North and the Ct followed suit.

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  11. 8 hours ago, vladtepes said:

    I know its not an option in NJ.. but I am seriously considering getting a stamp for my two "pistol brace guns" 

    I almost feel like NFA items being already restricted are less likely to take center stage.. 

    I find this whole fleeing from the braces and seeking refuge in sbr somewhat bizarre.  Did it work with machine guns that were nfa and had never been used in shootings in 1986? And under Reagan too.

    Even now there are rumblings about going after suppresors that are already highly regulated.

    The thing about 2nd Amendment rights is that it is never static you have setbacks and victories, it is an eternal battle with the anti-gunners.  Shortly after the 1986 setback you had the birth of "shall issue" ccw beginning in FL and eventually extending through most of the country.

    The notion that "I'll be safe in my little sbr nfa niche cave as soon as I ditch the evil braces" is illogical and ahistorical.

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  12. 2 hours ago, Rufio.Weaponworks said:

    I was hoping that too, but a barrel long enough wouldn't get great ballistics from 45 BMG. On another note you could get the Noveske 9mm Upper + VFG, use a non-nfa lower and endomags to take 9mm and have yourself a fun blaster. Or just build a Noveske 9 with VFG

    Noveske makes great stuff but their 9mm offerings are very overpriced for the basic blowback design.  I'd be happy with a 9mm non-nfa version of the scorpion at about half the price.  Absent that I probably will get the 9mm MM sbf.

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