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  1. 3 hours ago, NJGF said:

    Do you have a link for this?

    Sorry I was off bit a bit. It's about 35k as of 2014. 

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/nyregion/mental-reports-put-34500-on-new-yorks-no-guns-list.html

    Firearms seizures due to the red flag law are very common. There are hundreds of stories like the OP including where they just make a mistake in the database, come take your guns and never even say sorry.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.newyorkupstate.com/news/2017/07/deputies_confiscate_a_cny_veterans_guns_they_were_wrong_what_happened.amp

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  2. 12 minutes ago, capt14k said:

    And why do we have two classes of people? Sounds like equal protection clause lawsuit to me.


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    100% Agree.

    In fact, on duty firearms should be ten round max as well, and any rifles/shotguns issued by the department should have to conform to all Assault Weapons Ban provisions.

    Since NJ has banned things such as a pistol grip on semi-auto shotgun or handguns that take 11 rounds, no one has them anymore right? So why do the police need to carry such things? Seems overkill to me!


  3. 5 minutes ago, capt14k said:

     


    BAR was before Garand.

    BAR & M-14 have their uses. Sometimes 5.56 just doesn't cut it.

    Germans figured out solution to larger capacity full size rifle round mags in prone position with the FG-42.


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    I hear you. Personally I don't even like 5.56 in semi-auto firearms.

    I  was just going through things in general. 

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  4. 1 hour ago, JerseyJim said:

    ANJPRC filed a motion for a preliminary injunction while the lawsuit itself moves forward:

    https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.anjrpc.org/resource/resmgr/legal_motions___briefs/anjrpc_v_grewel_nj.pdf

    The date for the motion is July 16, 2018.  

    Cross you fingers and donate to the ANJRPC Litigation & Special Projects Fund. 

    "In the alternative, and at a minimum, Plaintiffs request that the Court enter an injunction that would allow individuals to lawfully retain magazines already in their possession without having to alter them, so long as they load them with at most 10 rounds of ammunition."

    Man, look at them, halfway surrendering and coming up with more arbitrary nonsense for the antis in the very court brief intended to fight them. This isn't how you argue.

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  5. You're looking at this all wrong.

    15 round magazines are neutered garbage. When firearms like the AR-15 were designed, the capacity of rounds is an inherent part of the cartridge and firearm designed. M1 Garand took 8 because 8x 30-06 fit nicely into the receiver and you can shoot prone without it in the way, as was part of how the weapon was used at the time.

    Other firearms later came around with closer-range, more fast paced shooting in mind such as the M14 and BAR, and rounds like the .308 and 30-06 were found to be cumbersome even in 20 round quantity. The German 7.92 kurz in the STG-44 is shorter (kurz) than the full size Mauser round, as is the 7.62x39 (SKS  & AK) shorter than the x54r in the Mosin Nagant. A big part of the 5.56x45 design is the ability to reload less, and carry far more ammunition. Remember these are design considerations for lugging cases off a truck, hiking for dozens of miles, etc. Not just back and forth to your car at the range. 

    The AR-15, AK-47, etc. are 30 round firearms. Anti-gun advocates have successfully fooled many gun owners, both "free" ones and non, into using terms like "high capacity magazine" or thinking that adjustable stocks are some badass thing. When really these are machines, inanimate objects made for specific engineering reasons no different than why a frying pan and a bridge use different gauges of steel and different alloys for their construction. 

    Every warrior has a weapon based on his usage. The Roman Gladius is ~18" long, why not give him an English longsword at 36"? Because wielding a 36" sword in a shield wall formation you're just going to kill your fellow Legionaries. And hand the Gladius to a knight, well have fun trying to fight on horseback with a large knife!

    IN. COMMON. USAGE. 


  6. 1 minute ago, capt14k said:

     


    One thing to think about is if the right lawsuits are filed Scott Bach is out $350k a year.


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    Yep. Why cure the disease when you can just treat it indefinitely, and at great profit?

    Just think, a temporary 2-3 year pay cut could fund any lawsuit under the sun.


  7. It's not that they're filing suits, it's that they're not filing the right ones. It's been ten years since Heller, and nothing challenging common use, its been decades and nothing challenging the systematic intimidation of the permit process, the list goes on.

    Now we have a magazine injunction filed. At best, it lets people keep less neutered magazines and neuters future ones. More likely, it goes right in the trash. It may sound exciting but in the grand scheme, it's nothing.

    Meanwhile the witch hunt laws begin without a challenge, we have seen in NY far more people lose their rights to the witch hunt laws, than to the SAFE act. 

    There are numerous large, sweeping, clear cut violations that get ignored. Decade after decade. Things that if a completely uneducated person  like me sees, ones that any lawyer or activist who was actually trying would of course see. Too obvious to miss.

    Not sure how long you've been a gun owner Ms. Peel but after a few decades, many of us start to wonder if ANJRPC et. All are just hospice care for gun rights. Or controlled opposition. Or maybe just rotten to the core, content to let this whole black rifle fad of a storm blow over and go back to the good ol' days of just shooting lever actions in the woods. 

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  8. 2 hours ago, capt14k said:

     


    IMO ANJRPC is following the same failed strategy. A CCW lawsuit here and there is not going to cut it. At least there is the magazine restriction injunction, but where are the injunctions for the other laws that were passed? Where are the other lawsuits for existing laws?


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    ANJRPC is basically hospice care for gun rights. Meaningless CCW suits and magazine injunctions just to make people feel better.

    I dream of a decentralized, agressive, member run organization that would bring suits against the entire system, not just feel good BS. Burton v Sills, common usage, privacy, etc.


  9. Also keep in mind privacy and the right to it, is the foundation upon which Roe v. Wade is built.

    Here's another fun one, there is an NJ AG directive essentially calling for non-enforcement of NJ gun control laws on non-NJ residents. Tell me how that one can withstand a challenge based on 14th amendment? 

    Use their own words against them IMO.


  10. 34 minutes ago, Zeke said:

    It’s interesting to correlate what you are saying and what the DC judge said a fear years ago “ intentionally suppressing citizen rights through an air of misinformation and obstruction “ something like that..

    Yep not to soapbox but these are the suits we should be pursuing. Target the laws which have a basis in intimidation and racial bias. References, employer letters, the FID system itself, etc. Use their own rhetoric of diversity and inclusion against them. We need a better strategy.


  11. Unfortubately most of the questionnaires I have seen make it pretty obvious what kind of application this is.

    This places a huge hurdle and intimidation factor on potentially hundreds of thousands of people in NJ who work at large corporations. When the letter isn't going to their boss but instead the HR Dept. of a company with tens of thousands of employees and very liberal policies. I know many people first hand who have been scared off by this, however right or wrong this may be.

    This places an undue burden on many people, not coincidentally NJ is full of such companies and such individuals are often not the stereotypical gun owner but in fact the sort of non stereotypical, diverse individuals to which having a healthy 2A relies on. 

    This is intimidation by design.

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  12. 50 minutes ago, JHZR2 said:

    Sorry but this whole thread is speculation on a wide variety of things. Modification, what happened during the first ban, etc.  

    Where a notional line is drawn WRT lawsuits and other actions, considering past history, is within the scope of other discussion within this thread. 

    would be fighting NFA 1934, etc. 

    Maybe they are more than I know?

    NFA categories such as SBS, SBR and AOW have largely been invalidated with "arm brace" workarounds in most of the USA so no one really cares about those anymore. Full auto is the only real restriction for most. 


  13. 1 minute ago, Zeke said:

    I’m not really sitting here debating it though. And lawsuits have been filed. With a motion for injunction...I’m a pensive and stoical individual

    Sorry, I didn't mean you or anyone specifically. I just see the general feeling among the forum seems to be surrounding keeping their 15s, when in reality the mentality should be that any mag limit is unconstitutional and should be challenged as a whole.

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  14. 21 minutes ago, Zeke said:

    What do you propose?

    File a similar lawsuit claiming that the whole thing is unconstitutional. If you're negotiating you go big then compromise, not open with a comprise then get talked down to nothing. Look where that's gotten us.

    Generally in a case you need standing, and these AWB charges are rarely ever handed out alone, usually they're in conjunction with other charges. So an organization would probably have to represent some not so ideal individuals. Judging by how even many gun owners thought Aitken deserved what he got, this would probably be too bitter of a pill to swallow.

    So maybe a U-Haul?

    4 minutes ago, Combat Auto said:

    Pretty funny. Some folks bitched and complain when we had no suits from NRA/affiliate (I was one of those people wondering WTH they were doing for us). Now that they have 2 suits going, I am happy with them and donating more then ever. But someone is always bitching about something, now we have a few people bitching about HAVING the suits. LOL! Just shows you can never please everyone :-). 

    I'm not "bitching" just pointing out facts. People can hate me all summer but this fall when a judge throws the 10rd lawsuit in the trash people will then at least understand what I am saying.


  15. 3 hours ago, Sniper22 said:

    Apparently, there wasn't a bigger fight and push back at the time, right?

    First, you have to stop the bleeding, then at that point, go and fix the bigger injury. Aren't there a hell of a lot more gun owners NOW compared to when the 15 round law was passed? They need to get off their asses and be part of the solution, right?

    So then, why even bother challenging the 15/10 thing. Why not challenge the mag ban altogether? Why not challenge the entire AWB as invalid under Heller's in common usage wording? Why not fight the witch hunt laws under the 4A? 

    This is why I believe ANJRPC and the false hope lawsuits are as much a part of the problem as anything else.


  16. 26 minutes ago, Ray Ray said:

    A smart way is donating to 2A groups that are filing lawsuits.  

    Giving in now is allowing the left to reach for more.  No more from me.

    I'm sorry but lawsuits aren't going to change anything. What do we have? A CCW suit that got dismissed, and a magazine injunction which, at BEST, will result in the ability to keep old 15 rounders, still have a 10 round limit on new mags, and still leave us unable to own the majority of semiautomatic rifles, shotguns, handguns and accessories.

    Also there is currently no mounted challenge to the seizure-by-any-medical-professional bill which likely get expanded to include more and more job titles as time goes on. Where's the suits/injunction for that one? It's going to snag far more people than anythng else, but here we are, worried about what part of the magazine to epoxy.

    I'm not trying to be a negative, trust me I wish NJ gun owners could have their Adam Sandler Big Daddy 3rd Act courtroom scene but the realist in me has to look at the cold hard facts. 


  17. Bucks county is not the Paradise you think it is. Lots of hipsters and yuppies moving in. Lots of mcMansions full of residents that complain about gunfire. Anyone been to Wicen's over there? Shooting from concrete booths angled downwards underneath a wall overhead, RO's so strict they will come over and yell at you for "rapid fire" which is anything more than what seems like 1 shot per hour. All thanks to their neighbors. I bet it used to be a nice place.


  18. The assault weapons ban is an ex facto law too, that one has stood for 30 years now. I know we like to wish and hope for courts to save us but I doubt that will ever happen. Even the magazine injunction, if it somehow did win, would at best get us what? The ability to keep 15rd? NY ended up with 10 anyway.

    CA and CO are bad examples as it allows people to keep "pre ban" magazines and lots of people were able to get "pre ban" magazines because you tell me how hard it is to buy an undated, unserialized product cash and simply say you've had it for X years.

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