Downtownv 1,764 Posted December 7, 2020 Will You Ever Be Able To Legally Carry A Gun In New Jersey? Posted at 12:30 pm on December 6, 2020 by Cam Edwards New Jersey has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, and it’s not surprising that even Second Amendment supporters can feel pretty glum about the prospects of that ever changing. Take Judi Franco, for instance. The longtime midday host at New Jersey’s 101.5 says that even with a new lawsuit challenging the state’s carry laws, residents should accept that they’ll probably never be able to legally carry a gun in the Garden State. The NRA is suing the state of New Jersey To change the laws to make it easier for people to obtain concealed carry permits. The way the law is now, New Jersey residents must show what’s called “justifiable need“ in order to be able to carry concealed weapons in the state. And to meet that standard is nearly impossible. So if Americans have the right to defend themselves with firearms, a right Constitutionally afforded to all of us, and situations come up quickly and without warning, what’s the good of having a gun that you can only keep in your bedside drawer, barely allowed to use and certainly not allowed to take out with you? This lawsuit will not change anything. But for the ever-decreasing pool of freedom-loving Americans in New Jersey, it’s good to know that someone is not just lying down and watching our rights taken away without a fight. Franco is spot-on when she talks about the near impossibility of individual gun owners meeting the “justifiable need” standard in order to get a carry license in the state. The average New Jersey resident will always be denied their right to carry unless they can document some sort of specific and ongoing threat against their life, which is the entire point of the new litigation filed by the NRA, Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, and the Coalition of New Jersey Gun Owners. I disagree with Franco, however, when she claims that the new lawsuit “will not change anything.” I think there’s a very good chance that by the time this case gets to the Supreme Court for potential review, SCOTUS will have already weighed in on at least one right-to-carry case, and will have sided with the Second Amendment and our right to bear arms. There’s already a split in the various appellate courts over the issue of “justifiable need” and whether it’s a violation of the Second Amendment. The Third and Ninth Circuits have rule that the heightened standard passes constitutional muster, while the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit disagrees. That split in the appellate courts makes it far more likely that SCOTUS will accept a carry case dealing with the “justifiable need” requirement, especially with Justice Amy Coney Barrett on the bench. The new lawsuit filed over New Jersey’s carry laws might not be the first such case to reach the Supreme Court (there’s an challenge to Hawaii’s open carry laws that is currently in the Ninth Circuit that’s likely to be the next carry case to get to the high Court), but I feel pretty confident about the Court taking on the right to bear arms in the new year. So, unlike Franco, I’m pretty bullish on New Jersey residents getting their right to carry in the not-too-distant future. I know how frustrated gun owners are after decades of having their Second Amendment rights treated as a privilege, but I believe that better days are ahead for gun rights in the Garden State. https://bearingarms.com/came/2020/12/06/will-you-ever-legally-carry-gun-nj/?utm_source=badaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=bc1d86e1053dd21c60a121534def959c Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted December 7, 2020 Yes! Thank you Amy! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bklynracer 1,259 Posted December 8, 2020 If they pack the court Definitely No if they don't pack the court, No. if you live in Jersey and want to carry, become a cop, a criminal or move. 1 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted December 8, 2020 I have talked about this issue many many times. My honest belief is that we are all more likely to be mugged to death long before NJ gets CCW through SCOTUS intervention. Apologies for being so grim, but I had put my faith and money into Rogers v grewal and mark cheeseman v pollilo and look where that got us? In NJ you have three choices, you can illegally carry and hope you don't get caught, become a cop, or move. Many who value the idea of self defense and self preservation have decided to move already. I don't blame them for doing so, I just pray that one day SCOTUS takes a "good cause" case and frees us from this nightmare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,365 Posted December 8, 2020 NJ will never loosen up the carry permit laws unless they are forced to. If the Democrats pack the SCOTUS there won't be a chance to change things for at least 30 years. There is a chance with the present court. 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,766 Posted December 8, 2020 Personally, I just wear a "Gun Free Zone" sign around my neck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted December 8, 2020 8 hours ago, GRIZ said: If the Democrats pack the SCOTUS there won't be a chance to change things for at least 30 years. Put on your dancing shoes and let's Boogaloo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old_Hunter 28 Posted December 8, 2020 Would love to see the resurfacing of some of Cemetarys Gun Blob’s posts on this particular topic. They were both entertaining yet spot on It’s only been since 1966 that citizens in this state have been hamstrung by the Sills Act. And we think something is going to change now? We’re going to kick the can around with ANOTHER lawsuit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glock guy 1,125 Posted December 8, 2020 Well, at the moment SCOTUS seems favorable to this. We will probably never have a better chance, particularly if the Dems pack the court with liberal justices. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted December 8, 2020 Remember back kids, we had a shot at National Reciprocity during Trump's first two years with a Repub congress. It was passed in the House, Dec. 2017, but the Repub controlled Senate refused to even bring it up for a vote. If your Repub politicians won't pass it, the chance of a Dem controlled NJ legislature passing it is pretty slim 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdF 323 Posted December 9, 2020 The problem with Trump's first two years was that the Russia lies weakened him in the eyes of many Republicans. This allowed people like John McCain, Mitt Romney and others to vote against our interests. Let's all run for state office . . . 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bklynracer 1,259 Posted December 9, 2020 3 hours ago, EdF said: This allowed people like John McCain, Mitt Romney and others to vote against our interests. Does anybody really believe they care about our interests? All they care about us filling their pockets. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JimB1 554 Posted December 10, 2020 Not holding my breath on this happening. A better question is- How soon until the rest of the US is feeling NJ’s pain? If the Republicans lose in GA, one of the first things Dems are going to do is pass all the anti-gun crap Bloomberg paid for. It’s easier for them to go after us than fix all the problems that take real thought and effort. We’ve seen that here in NJ for decades. Literally fiddling while Rome burns. NJ will never be able to dig itself out of it’s fiscal hole and the Federal government is just as bad. All this stuff is just distraction from the fact that they are all unable to fix any real issues. JMHO -Jim 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted December 10, 2020 Will You Ever Be Able To Legally Carry A Gun In New Jersey? 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldguysrule649 397 Posted December 10, 2020 From a personal perspective, the answer depends on how old you are. In my case, I will be 68 next year. So while I remain hopeful, I am not optimistic that I will ever be able to CC in NJ. My runway of life grows ever shorter. Drake, and recently Rogers, were bitter disappointments. Even if and when Justifiable Need is overturned, NJ will likely drag their feet and institute unreasonable qualification requirements. Then these would have to be challenged for yet more years through the courts. Hope I am wrong. This topic brings to mind the glorious ONE DAY in my life three years ago when I spent the day concealed carrying in PA. Shortly after , PA stopped recognizing all non-resident permits (including Texas in my case.). In sharp contrast to NJ, my recent renewals of my Utah and Texas carry permits were routine and fast. Both informed me 3-6 months in advance of the upcoming need to renew. Amazing. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old_Hunter 28 Posted December 11, 2020 The time to strike was when Whitman was Governor with a stableful of Republican’s behind her. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FDHog 604 Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/9/2020 at 1:45 PM, EdF said: The problem with Trump's first two years was that the Russia lies weakened him in the eyes of many Republicans. This allowed people like John McCain, Mitt Romney and others to vote against our interests. Let's all run for state office . . . McCain and Romney hated Trump because he accomplished something they couldn't. McCain was a vet yet did absolutely nothing for vets in all the years he was in office. Trump did more for them in 4 years. Romney is just a egotistical asshat. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tunaman 538 Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/21/2020 at 7:30 PM, FDHog said: McCain and Romney hated Trump because he accomplished something they couldn't. McCain was a vet yet did absolutely nothing for vets in all the years he was in office. Trump did more for them in 4 years. Romney is just a egotistical asshat. McCain was the piece of shit that hand delivered the Fake Steele dossier to to the democrats. That is what started this whole bullshit russian investigation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted December 23, 2020 Call me the License-To-Carry Grinch, but here's how we do it in my county in PA. Admittedly not all counties in PA are this friendly. Most of all Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Notice the URL: permitium.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grapeshot 301 Posted December 23, 2020 Here's another thing - even though I am a NJ resident, because I have a PA hunting and fishing license I am legally allowed to carry in PA when I am hunting or fishing, because I have a PA Sportsman's Firearm Permit. It's shall issue, good for 5 years, and costs $6. It's also valid when I am "going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places." Fishing. Yes, fishing. There are some pretty mean fish in PA. No background check, just show your hunting license and give them $6. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Grapeshot said: Here's another thing - even though I am a NJ resident, because I have a PA hunting and fishing license I am legally allowed to carry in PA when I am hunting or fishing, because I have a PA Sportsman's Firearm Permit. It's shall issue, good for 5 years, and costs $6. It's also valid when I am "going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places." Fishing. Yes, fishing. There are some pretty mean fish in PA. No background check, just show your hunting license and give them $6. Really? Didn't know that, because I don't hunt or fish. And my only furbearers are our cats. Obviously that includes rifles and shotguns. But also handguns? I would not interpret that to mean you can have any firearm in your vehicle with you; just on your person, as in walking. Their mobile laws are as bad as ours, unless you have a LTCF. That's one of the big reasons a lot of PA residents get them. It precludes handgun felonies in your vehicle. (Note however that even with a LTCF you can't have a loaded rifle in your vehicle.) Unless you have different information? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grapeshot 301 Posted December 23, 2020 This is for handguns, you can read the whole thing here: http://www.co.clarion.pa.us/Dept/Treasurer/Documents/SportsmansPermitRegs1.pdf My buddy has a hunting camp in PA where we hunt and fish, so I don't really worry about carrying in a vehicle. But hey - you want to take a walk in the woods? Throw a collapsible fishing pole in your bag and you are good to go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fslater 62 Posted January 31, 2021 On 12/8/2020 at 1:11 AM, GRIZ said: NJ will never loosen up the carry permit laws unless they are forced to. If the Democrats pack the SCOTUS there won't be a chance to change things for at least 30 years. There is a chance with the present court. If democrats pack the courts they will be setting a dangerous precedent. When ever a Presidency and Senate are both turned over from the other party they'll just put more more judges in SCOTUS until in 50 yrs there's more SCOTUS justices than Senators... But if things continue the way they are, in 50 years it will be mute. The Socialist States of America will have inquisitions in the basement under the state field marshals office in lieu of courts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,365 Posted January 31, 2021 3 hours ago, fslater said: If democrats pack the courts they will be setting a dangerous precedent. When ever a Presidency and Senate are both turned over from the other party they'll just put more more judges in SCOTUS until in 50 yrs there's more SCOTUS justices than Senators... But if things continue the way they are, in 50 years it will be mute. The Socialist States of America will have inquisitions in the basement under the state field marshals office in lieu of courts. I agree the Democrats realize the dangerous precedent if they pack SCOTUS. I think many of the Biden "voters" will pull their head out the the orifice where the sun never shines in 2 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted January 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, GRIZ said: I think many of the Biden "voters" will pull their head out the the orifice where the sun never shines in 2 years. 2 years is eternity based on the speed of things going on right now.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted February 6, 2021 FDR couldn't pack the court. Biden certainly will not be able to. 2 Dem Senators Manchin and Simena are on record that they will not vote to end the filibuster. They would lose power if they did. That means Dems have at most 48 votes. With filibuster in place Dems need 60 votes for Cloture to pass any laws that would increase the number of SCOTUS Justices. Will not happen. Just like more restrictive federal gun laws or making Puerto Rico a state won't happen. In 2 years GOP will have control of the House. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdF 323 Posted February 6, 2021 Remember . . . Not everything requires cloture and the Democrats are VERY good a forcing their caucus to vote as a block. There's now a history of attaching this crap to reconciliation bills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,766 Posted February 6, 2021 Meanwhile, in South Carolina: Open carry gun bill gets new momentum as Republicans take advantage of November wins (yahoo.com) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bennj 215 Posted February 7, 2021 To answer the OP's question, not in my lifetime (which I'm hoping for 25-30 yrs.). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites